2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

i do enjoy the chickens-coming-home-to-roost aspect of GOP fear mongering

whoever it was that said they liked how the election of obama would air some of this shit out, otm

obama up 3.8 in florida

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/fl/florida_mccain_vs_obama-418.html

thats damned good

538 gives it 3.9

just looking through the flickr set linked upthread.

this:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/brett538/2929554981/in/set-72157607920789303/

<3 <3 <3

cute!

i knew you would be the only person to reply to that post

nsfw: http://media.tumblr.com/u69Ix9iWTepeo5wkddUHi8D9o1_500.png

Oh boy: Andy McCarthy wonders whether Obama even wrote his first book:

There has been speculation about this which I've ignored, no doubt because there are enough policy reasons to oppose Barack Obama and I don't want to feed into what sounds, at first blush, like Vince Fosteresque paranoia. But I've finally read Jack Cashill's lengthy analysis in The American Thinker. It is thorough, thoughtful, and alarming — particularly his deconstruction of the text in Obama's memoir and comparison to the themes, sophistication and signature phraseology of Bill Ayers' memoir.

There is nothing in Obama's scant paper trail prior to 1995 that would suggest something as stylish and penetrating as, at times, Dreams from My Father is. And when Obama speaks extemporaneously, one doesn't hear the same voice one encounters in the book. Now maybe Obama has a backlog of writing fom Columbia or Harvard that signal great literary promise, but he not only hasn't shared it, he's assiduously hidden traces of it. And, to be sure, writing is different from speaking — in fairness, some of Obama's off-the-cuff bumbling when he speaks is certainly due to the rigors of the campaign which would cause even the most gifted communicator to faulter from time to time. But it's not unreasonable to expect more similarity between Obama the writer and Obama the orator.

looooool

continue grasping at those straws gentlemen

I wonder if Andy McCarthy says things like "But it's not unreasonable to expect more similarity between Obama the writer and Obama the orator" when he's speaking out loud.

from the article McCarthy cites:

Obama's memoir was published in June 1995. Earlier that year, Ayers helped Obama, then a junior lawyer at a minor law firm, get appointed chairman of the multi-million dollar Chicago Annenberg Challenge grant. In the fall of that same year, 1995, Ayers and his wife, Weatherwoman Bernardine Dohrn, helped blaze Obama's path to political power with a fundraiser in their Chicago home.

In short, Ayers had the means, the motive, the time, the place and the literary ability to jumpstart Obama's career. And, as Ayers had to know, a lovely memoir under Obama's belt made for a much better resume than an unfulfilled contract over his head.

For simplicity sake, I will refer to the author of Dreams as "Obama." Without question, he contributed much of the book's raw material, especially the long-winded accounting of events and conversations, polished just well enough to pass muster. The book's fierce, succinct and tightly coiled social analysis more closely matches the style of Fugitive Days, a much tighter book.

For simplicitt's sake I will refer to the author of this article as "tool."

For the Record [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

I do fear an Obama presidency. And not because he's a terrorist or I'm a racist. I fear a President Obama because he's a liberal, who has taken the counsel of radicals (and yes, a domestic terrorist). He's inexperienced and has bad judgment. We're at war and can't afford to play around.

Why can't John McCain say something like that instead of what he said yesterday?

Please, Senator McCain, help us help you!

10/11 09:43 AM

oops rong thread

i knew you would be the only person to reply to that post

;D

oops rong thread

― joe 40oz (deej)

Does it matter anymore?

lolpie

K-lo for president. In fact, let's have her and Palin run against each other in the primaries in 2012.

what thread was that supposed to go in?

xxp

your fav the corner poster thread

that's some soul power in that clip

http://www.flickr.com/photos/brett538/2930372334/in/set-72157607920789303/

o_0 at the button.

>:(

http://www.flickr.com/photos/indywayne/2730808124/

Just caught up on some Daily Show from last week.

"Fox News: The world's unfair, and we're becoming mentally unbalanced."

how is it that republicans always seem to pick the most obnoxious stances on everything? finally got them to agree about the less dependence on foreign oil thing, and their solution is to drill off of our shores, and be as obnoxiously anti-environment as possible about it.

conservatism since FDR has pretty much always defined itself by chanting the opposite of whatever the liberals want.

I assume it's because most Republican constituents aren't Republicans because of positions but because they define themselves against a 'liberal elitist' strawman. So they feel they need 'obnoxious' positions in order to stick it to the man.

Yeah. What Tombot said.

hence any timetable for withdrawal from Iraq is met with proposals that we stay there forever; any ideas about going into Pakistan to get Bin Laden are met with incredulity and accusations of irresponsibility; anything that challenges the status quo, even when the status quo is horrifyingly awful, is fraught with risk and should be avoided. "We're going to die if we stay in this cave." "Well, we're alive now, so I'm staying put."

It's so impossible to understand conservatives. At first blush they just seem like a bunch of people who just love to be huge assholes, but then you think that can't be it; is it an evolutionarily "healthy" xenophobia, or a genuine belief in a particular moral dogma, or true patriotism or some combination of that stuff plus some other potentially excusable motivators? But the only explanation that's internally consistent with the things they say and do is that they really are huge gaping assholes.

conservatives in being reactionary shocker?

Oh, xposts, I guess that's what being a reactionary means anyway, isn't it

(xposts again)

i tend to think many conservatives have a view that whatever is best for them in the short term is the best solution, and the long term consequences can be worked out later.

The whole point from Nixon on was to rail against the Dirty Fucking Hippies. Doesn't matter who the DFH actually are/were whatever.

a lot more to nixon than that. more than dfh's was railing against black criminals and rioters (imagined or not)

that's surprisingly reductive coming from you, kingfish

yeah, i'm hungover and distracted by watching the latest South Park ep at the same time. More articulate responses later.

meanwhile

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081011/ap_on_el_pr/mccain

[...]

Unhelpful for establishing the tone McCain sought in Davenport was the Rev. Arnold Conrad, past pastor of the Grace Evangelical Free Church. His prayer before McCain arrived at the convention center blocks from the Mississippi River appeared to dismiss faiths other than Christianity and cast the election as a referendum on God himself.

"I would also pray, Lord, that your reputation is involved in all that happens between now and November, because there are millions of people around this world praying to their god — whether it's Hindu, Buddha, Allah — that his opponent wins, for a variety of reasons," Conrad said.

"And Lord, I pray that you would guard your own reputation, because they're going to think that their god is bigger than you, if that happens. So I pray that you will step forward and honor your own name with all that happens between now and Election Day," he said.

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2914/palinju9.gif

bidens face in that gif ahaha

looks like he's got chaw

"praying to Buddha" or "praying to Hindu" sounds like something Homer Simpson would say

or Ricky Bobby

"And Lord, I pray that you would guard your own reputation, because they're going to think that their god is bigger than you, if that happens. So I pray that you will step forward and honor your own name with all that happens between now and Election Day," he said.

It's time to STEP IT UP, GOD!

I don't think that I think US right-wingers (whom I personally hate and fear) are the same thing as 'conservatives'. A lot of their beliefs are not very conservative. I can understand the appeal and some of the logic of being 'conservative' about something - that's not the same as spilling the poison that these people do. The main thing that I fear about right-wingers is not at all how conservative they are, but how radical they are.

Maybe I am stating the obvious (this is a familiar political theme that goes back at least to Thatcher) or maybe this is just a simple difference between big and small c conservatism, or whatever.

pinefox, you and everybody else here who hasn't already should read "Conservatives without Conscience" by John Dean.

conservatism unhinged from reason

conservatives in America are quite conservative in the "buying into & glorifying cultural mythology & traditions" sense