She's not a recluse. I mean as far as I can tell. I emailed her a couple of years ago to ask some questions about her music and I got a really nice reply within a day. I think she's just greatly under appreciated.
recluse is a harsh word, I just wish we could get her out to SF. she does play around brooklyn; a friend of mine was playing on the same bill with her at an EMF / ear to the earth show two years ago -- she evidently showed up seeming a little overwhelmed and shy, but after the soundcheck got to feeling more comfortable and proposed that she and my friend do a joint improv, which went down great, so I don't mean to suggest she's anti-social
xpost wikipedia's music list leaves off 'The Sounds of Earth' -- 40 seconds of Spiegel's realization of the Kepler piece kick off that track, which is otherwise field recordings / natural sounds.
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 01:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
"the expanding universe" is really nice. i am now going to enter terminal regret about not buying it when i last saw it.
― MACROSOLUTIONS II MEGAHAWKWINDZ (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 9 September 2009 12:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
Wow, I need this stuff. Thanks ILM.
― sleeve, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 20:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
ok this part of the 'unseen worlds' liners, worth transcribing
'A Strand Of Life' (1990) happened one afternoon while I was sick with a virus. Fantasizing that I could tame my own virus by doing so, I decided to map the complete genetic base sequence of a viroid into the musical pitch domain. I didn't have the data for a real DNA virus, but I found complete information on a viroid (which has only RNA) in an old copy of Scientific American (jan 1981; 'Viroids' by T.O. Diener). If you substitute adenine for each A, uracil for each E, guanine for each G, and cytocine for each C in this piece, you will have a self-replicating, genetic strand which lives in the cells of others in a state so close to the border of life that it is a moot scientific point whether it can be considered alive or not. It is completely another question whether a being so simple that a minute of music can contain its entire informational self can be conscious (and if so, then conscious of what), but since I tend to anthropomorphise a lot, I gave it a bit of an old time country music personality when mapping it for translation...
rest of the liner notes are like that which is why you need to buy the CD, and I had to reconfirm that 'unseen worlds' like most of her music was all improvised in real time (though some pieces got another pass through effects)
― Milton Parker, Friday, 11 September 2009 06:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
Listening to Obsolete Systems now and there are parts of it that are so sparkling and crystalline and perfect - but yes, so warm and organic and rich at the same time.
― Evren Kader (Masonic Boom), Friday, 11 September 2009 14:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
this thread is a treat. think i've listened to laurie at least once a week for a few years now. just got lost in her website in that way that doesn't seem to happen anymore. frames! content! stuff! and it's all very enjoyable :)
― pagan diskow (Crackle Box), Monday, 26 March 2012 18:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
Sediment is listed in the credits as being a part of the musical score for The Hunger Games film.
non-album 1972 piece that came out for the first time a few years ago on a Sub Rosa Anthology. deep drone piece. this youtube rip is a lot more aggressive that the CD version, sounds less like a meditative drone and more like a noise piece. the youtube comments are kind of fun.
― Milton Parker, Monday, 26 March 2012 19:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
/than the CD version
the fact that this film's got people sourcing obscure Laurie Spiegel tracks for the soundtrack is exactly what is going to tip the scales into me going to see this monster
― Milton Parker, Monday, 26 March 2012 19:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
this is p great in all regards
― ogmor, Monday, 26 March 2012 22:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
Whoa, this could be a reason for me to go too.
― _Rudipherous_, Monday, 26 March 2012 23:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
fyi: she's on facebook. her posts are great!
― scott seward, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 01:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
you're using your Condé Nast powers for the forces of good, Geeta
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 29 March 2012 17:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
Front page Slate article trampolining off of Geeta's article, re-interviewing on the subject of not getting paid by Sub Rosa, and goes into depth on her back catalogue in a way that is incredibly satisfying to read in a national forum.
I've e-mailed a bit with the person assembling these compilations at Sub Rosa, and he came across as an unusually knowledgable student of the history of electronic music. Maybe I'm just used to a world in which labels have stopped paying anything for compilation tracks, but I'm still a little uncomfortable with a nationally read blowing up Laurie's reasonable Amazon.com review into a full on railing against Sub Rosa without including him in the interview and giving him a chance to respond.
― Milton Parker, Friday, 30 March 2012 21:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
Meantime here's the scene in question (or at least a lo-res version of it):
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 March 2012 21:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
Ha, wow, the three pieces I was most impressed by them using for the film all get used in that one sequence: Spiegel, Reich and Chas Smith
They mix and match between those three pretty freely, especially the Smith & the Reich pieces which they blend together into one piece pretty seamlessly. I'm a big fan of those Chas Smith records, it is almost kind of a shame he's not getting as big a boost out of this: http://www.allmusic.com/album/chas-smith-nikko-wolverine-r512808
― Milton Parker, Friday, 30 March 2012 21:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hmm, sounds like I need to investigate further..
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 March 2012 21:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
After I saw the movie, I came across the Tumblr of some teenager who was crowing about how she'd recognized an excerpt from Music for 18 Musicians on the score. Since I recognized no such thing, I'm relieved to find out it's a different Reich composition, one I haven't listened to dozens of times.
― Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Friday, 30 March 2012 21:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
If you like pedal steel guitars, ambient country & the Lanois tracks on 'Apollo Soundtracks' as much as you like Alan Lamb or Harry Bertoia, then you pretty much automatically like Chas Smith
― Milton Parker, Friday, 30 March 2012 21:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
Ah well, that's that, then!
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 March 2012 23:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
expanding universe reissue with FIFTEEN extra tracks. yes please!
― Crackle Box, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 10:48 (11 months ago) Permalink
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 10:51 (11 months ago) Permalink
downloaded that from some blog about two years ago, so it's nice to be able to put that right... (works out around £15 in english, including delivery)
― koogs, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 11:01 (11 months ago) Permalink
― Too Busy Thinking About Mr. Abie (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 11:09 (11 months ago) Permalink
hoping there's a nice balance between the folky counterpointish algorithmic stuff and far out space drones
― Crackle Box, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 11:22 (11 months ago) Permalink
pre-ordered & most psyched
― ogmor, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 19:11 (11 months ago) Permalink
― Milton Parker, Monday, 23 July 2012 20:19 (10 months ago) Permalink
― Milton Parker, Monday, 23 July 2012 20:22 (10 months ago) Permalink
― Crackle Box, Monday, 23 July 2012 20:47 (10 months ago) Permalink
^ cheeee this woman is amazing.
― Ignite the seven canons (Ówen P.), Monday, 23 July 2012 21:18 (10 months ago) Permalink
I almost revived this thread this morning, this woman is the true drone and all other drones are false
― Ignite the seven canons (Ówen P.), Monday, 23 July 2012 21:19 (10 months ago) Permalink
This interview is 15 years old but it's new (and interesting) to me and I don't see it on the thread:http://cec.sonus.ca/econtact/10_2/SpiegelLa_KD.html
Need to order reissue, have been paralysed by indecision about vinyl vs CD since seeing it mentioned on this thread
― still small voice of clam (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 23 July 2012 21:46 (10 months ago) Permalink
definitely the CD for the bonus material alone, but even then: the last piece is a quiet rolling 28 minute drone with a lot of low end so it really doesn't even matter how good the new pressing will be, you're just not going to hear all of the piece on vinyl
― Milton Parker, Monday, 23 July 2012 23:54 (10 months ago) Permalink
So thankful for this thread!
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 00:55 (10 months ago) Permalink
definitely the CD for the bonus material alone
you get a download code for all the CD tracks (as lossless, if you wish) w/the vinyl though! that is the source of my dilemma. but I probably will go CD if only for cheaper international shipping. thanks for the info re the last track, looking forward to all the drones
― still small voice of clam (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 09:59 (10 months ago) Permalink
was wondering this morning where these cds had got to. just got this email:
"Thanks so much for your preorder of our 2CD set of The Expanding Universe.International orders for this format have been shipped as of today and youshould see it in about a week."
― koogs, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 20:29 (9 months ago) Permalink
I missed this! Might have to break my CD buying moratorium (which come to think of, I just broke last month) for this.
― _Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 20:32 (9 months ago) Permalink
Pre-ordered the vinyl which has been delayed, but a compensation the label sent a download code for the FLACSs of the extended release early, working my way through now, some amazing work.
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 14:52 (9 months ago) Permalink
Very. Got a promo copy a little while ago and it's just astonishing stuff.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 14:54 (9 months ago) Permalink
Got my CD in the mail, listened to the first disc and liked it a lot. The first track was beautifully programmed, and "Drums" is an interesting early attempt at creating electronic drum polyrhythms. I'm not fond of vinyl rips, so I'd never heard the eponymous track itself before... It was slow as melasses, and I actually fell asleep on the sofa while listening to it (something which I shouldn't have done, according to the liner notes by Spiegel, as she says this isn't ambient music but something to listen to carefully), but what I caught was luminous and pretty. Can't wait to play disc 2!
Speaking of the liner notes, though, while it's great that there's plenty of background information written by Spiegel herself, the choice to print some of the text white on yellow background is poor, as it makes the text hard to read. Also, tracks 2 and 3 are listed in different order in the inner sleeve than in the back cover, so I'm not sure which one is which. Still, it's intriguing to read all the technical explanation on how the tracks were realized, even though I don't understand half of it.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 17:40 (9 months ago) Permalink
i have a feeling most of us don't read italian, but spiegel will be part of this new book:
Come anticipate Johann Merrich's "Le Pioniere Della Musica Elettronica," about female electronic composers
― lord sitar and peter gunz (get bent), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 17:43 (9 months ago) Permalink
feature in wired this month:
― koogs, Friday, 14 September 2012 12:30 (9 months ago) Permalink
IMO the second disc isn't as good as the first one, but there's some interesting stuff there too. "Clockworks" wouldn't feel out of place on a 1990s IDM album, and "The Orient Express" has a cool perpetual motion sound.
All in all, I feel the more melodic and/or mood-based pieces on the comp still sound great today, whereas the ones where Spiegel experiments with rhythm/pitch/etc aren't quite as impressive, since the technical limitations of the era mean the experimentation doesn't work as well as Spiegel (probably) would've wanted it to work. Even with those pieces, though, it's still cool to read about the concepts behind them in the liner notes.
― Tuomas, Friday, 14 September 2012 12:51 (9 months ago) Permalink
Aw yeah I have my CDs! First CD I've ever bought to show a glimpse of Fortran source code in the liner notes. Sounding great so far.
― still small voice of clam (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 14 September 2012 20:31 (9 months ago) Permalink
I had a brief email exchange with her a few years back, wherein she mentioned that she has lots of unarchived recordings in her home. Someone needs to convince her to make it all publicly available. I vote Dan Selzer to be in charge of this.
― DanielGr, Saturday, 15 September 2012 03:31 (9 months ago) Permalink
i would throw in some bucks to kickstart that!
― lord sitar and peter gunz (get bent), Saturday, 15 September 2012 03:40 (9 months ago) Permalink
By the way, in that exchange she was the friendliest person. There is really nothing not to like about this composer. She even said that she hopes that someday the archive is made public.
― DanielGr, Saturday, 15 September 2012 03:54 (9 months ago) Permalink
holy shit yes.
― gesange der yuengling (crüt), Saturday, 15 September 2012 04:30 (9 months ago) Permalink
same here, i'd imagine there are quite a lot of synthesizer geeks who would also go in on that too
― Crackle Box, Saturday, 15 September 2012 11:24 (9 months ago) Permalink
love the liner notes, especially the comparing of conscious interaction w/ programmed processes to conscious interaction w/ subconsciously generated processes (finger-picking patterns); there's some rich phenomenology in there. didn't realise the images that were posted upthread were actually programmed in a similar fashion to the music. that is so, so cool, i'd been thinking about this a bit after looking at databending & then, there they are. & she was a big john fahey fan! wld absolutely stump up for further releases.
― ogmor, Monday, 17 September 2012 21:49 (9 months ago) Permalink
Yeah, the sense of 'pop,' as in a popular, self-taught and exploratory mode, is crucial to why this collection is so enjoyable, I think. It really runs throughout the whole thing.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 17 September 2012 21:52 (9 months ago) Permalink
ah, thank you. that was a great article, then about halfway through I was like oh, Reynolds, duh.
― sleeve, Saturday, 8 December 2012 22:02 (6 months ago) Permalink
So much bullshit on downtown vs uptown "establishment"! That's rich coming from Spiegel, who was well-funded by Bell to make the music she wanted. Had to laugh at Reynolds using her paper on retro -- which from the quote seems like a thin bit of theory/cultural commentary -- to then promote his book. Pathetic.
Really liked her bits on her research into pre-civil war ("shapenote" music). Lots to enjoy as a whole but leaves a bad taste.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 9 December 2012 01:04 (6 months ago) Permalink
― scott seward, Sunday, 9 December 2012 01:18 (6 months ago) Permalink
i thought it was put together well. told a compelling story about work. educated me. voila, hype your book all you want.
― scott seward, Sunday, 9 December 2012 01:19 (6 months ago) Permalink
Its certainly compelling. Varese thought about making machine music until depression set in, he had nothing to work with until v late in his own life. People might say it would've been marvellous if he was starting out now or when Laurel did but that article makes it clear the problems he would have had.
A few made it work. Others -- most notably Helmut Lachenmann -- took the experience of makng electronics, hated it, but used it to enrich the palette of instrumental music.
Just don't need yet another piece thrashing post-Webern music to justify this. Beause I like Laurie's music I read it as nervousness about its own merits, like it must be validated by a struggle agaist an establishment. The struggle was elsewhere, but they perservered, took it out there and carved ther own space.
I think there is a piece to be written about how this stuff would perhaps compare with what was coming out of IRCAM.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 9 December 2012 10:57 (6 months ago) Permalink
Fuck: whatever ITunes cards I get for Xmas will be blown on this woman's music
― Raymond Cummings, Monday, 10 December 2012 05:10 (6 months ago) Permalink
there is some sort of collaboration in the works with caribou / daphni apparently.
― stirmonster, Monday, 10 December 2012 06:32 (6 months ago) Permalink
― Crackle Box, Monday, 10 December 2012 10:43 (6 months ago) Permalink
― she was giving it to two friends ...Aaay! (crüt), Monday, 10 December 2012 11:03 (6 months ago) Permalink
4 dec.Caribou @cariboubandJIAOLONG006 features a previous Jiaolong artist together with a pioneer of electronic music. Any guesses?7 dec.Caribou @cariboubandFANTASTIC feature on @LaurieSpiegel who has been a great inspiration to me over the years - http://pitchfork.com/features/articles/9002-laurie-spiegel/ …7 dec.Caribou @caribouband[hint, hint...]
7 dec.Caribou @cariboubandFANTASTIC feature on @LaurieSpiegel who has been a great inspiration to me over the years - http://pitchfork.com/features/articles/9002-laurie-spiegel/ …
7 dec.Caribou @caribouband[hint, hint...]
So I'm guessing this'll be a 12". Looking at jialong's discogs it could indeed be Daphni, but technically speaking also Jeremy Greenspan or Les Sins (Toro Y Moi project) could be involved.
― willem, Monday, 10 December 2012 14:58 (6 months ago) Permalink
gr8 piece on a brilliant mind (smh @ the jungle reference)
― am0n, Monday, 10 December 2012 18:35 (6 months ago) Permalink
this is a really good read...
she's so cool!
― Crackle Box, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 14:39 (6 months ago) Permalink
countdown to Laurel Halo collab on RVNG.
― That elusive North American wood-ape (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 20:34 (6 months ago) Permalink
Thanks for that link, CB.
I keep wanting to use the display name 'Laurie Smeagol' but a) it's probably not as funny as I think it is, b) not sure many people would get it, and c) I don't really do wacky display name changes.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 20:42 (6 months ago) Permalink
that's one dodgy-looking url for that interview...
― koogs, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 20:43 (6 months ago) Permalink
> it's probably not as funny as I think it is
i laughedSmeagol is always funny
― passion it person (La Lechera), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 20:53 (6 months ago) Permalink
― the late great, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 20:58 (6 months ago) Permalink
― crüt, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 22:18 (6 months ago) Permalink
Aw, you guys.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 22:19 (6 months ago) Permalink
― shave and a haircut...2 CHAINZ (m bison), Thursday, 20 December 2012 03:42 (6 months ago) Permalink
big piece by me in frieze:
― geeta, Monday, 24 December 2012 02:50 (5 months ago) Permalink
Hey geeta, I sent you an email to the address you give on theoriginalsoundtrack.com, with a link to download something I thought might interest you. Just a heads up in case you don't normally check that.
― _Rudipherous_, Monday, 24 December 2012 04:17 (5 months ago) Permalink
Sorry, no Laurie Spiegel content.
― _Rudipherous_, Monday, 24 December 2012 04:18 (5 months ago) Permalink
just saw it! thanks!!
― geeta, Monday, 24 December 2012 05:32 (5 months ago) Permalink
best article yet and that is saying something. placing cultural context is one thing, but emotional context is another
nice youtube of a guy who got Music Mouse running on an Atari ST emulator on his Windows machine, patched in through Reason as his synth. His improvisations are a lot more traditional than anything Spiegel herself released but it's nice to get a sense of the software by seeing the GUI in action
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 04:53 (5 months ago) Permalink
― hot slag (lukas), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 03:31 (5 months ago) Permalink
Okay bought "The Expanding Universe," will listen and report back
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 17:48 (5 months ago) Permalink
Did this get linked somewhere? Jeremy Greenspan's reworking of Drums:
― qbert yuiop (NickB), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:33 (5 months ago) Permalink
― koogs, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 14:05 (2 months ago) Permalink