man, Frank Miller can be so goddamned silly...
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 3 August 2005 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link
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-- Tuomas (tuomas.alh...), August 3rd, 2005.
why the hell not?
― N_RQ, Thursday, 4 August 2005 07:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 07:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 August 2005 10:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 11:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 August 2005 11:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 11:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 12:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 12:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 August 2005 13:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― N_RQ, Thursday, 4 August 2005 13:25 (eighteen years ago) link
The difference is in the context: Trainspotting portrays it's drug users as reckless, stupid, uncaring, but not entirely unsympathetic, and definitely not evil. Whereas in DKR the only scene that features Robin's parents is one mentioned above (and I think the parents are taking weed, not heroin), and that combined with the general tone of the story gives you the impression that Miller's view is more like, "Drug users are bad people, mmkay?".
Have you read the Daredevil story Miller did on PCP? That is as fine an example as it gets of preachy scare story drug education.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 13:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 13:41 (eighteen years ago) link
Robin's parents aren't the only liberals in the book, obviously. There are others, and they look like idiots. And there are conservatives, and they look like idiots too. The only people who don't look like idiots are Batman and his allies.
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 4 August 2005 13:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Truckdrivin' Buddha (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 4 August 2005 13:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 4 August 2005 14:02 (eighteen years ago) link
What I got from that scene (and the lack of Robin's parents in the story in general) is that Robin's parents were completely wrapped up in their own thing and completely ignored her. The need for attention generated by this was one of the big drivers that led her into becoming the new Robin. Note the lack of value judgement on the parents.
The only people who don't look like idiots are Batman and his allies.
This is very OTM.
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 August 2005 14:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 4 August 2005 14:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 August 2005 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 15:05 (eighteen years ago) link
That's why he's awesome! But I am not here to argue with Tuomas.
― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Thursday, 4 August 2005 15:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of I Have Seen The Brick Wall And Its Name Is Tuomas (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 August 2005 15:10 (eighteen years ago) link
But Punisher...I don't know, he seems like such a dead end.
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 4 August 2005 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 15:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 15:19 (eighteen years ago) link
xpost tuomas using your inability to 'get the idea' as a gage of anything is a bad idea
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 15:26 (eighteen years ago) link
Has Marvel ever said so?
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 15:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 15:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 August 2005 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Truckdrivin' Buddha (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 4 August 2005 15:38 (eighteen years ago) link
Dan, because their primary audience is kids and because they still portray their characters heroic. Even the Punisher mags did.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Thursday, 4 August 2005 15:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 15:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Finland WIll Not Be Leading The World In Textual Analysis Anytime S, Thursday, 4 August 2005 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 4 August 2005 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link
We are all kids at heart in an infantilized culture.
― Goo goo WAH MY DIAPER IS FULL (Ned), Thursday, 4 August 2005 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 4 August 2005 15:56 (eighteen years ago) link
Except that there's this place called the USA where many people believe that's the elementary definition of every hero!
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 4 August 2005 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Thursday, 4 August 2005 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 4 August 2005 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 4 August 2005 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 4 August 2005 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link