Phoenix Mars Lander (large images presumably to follow)

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x-post -- Wow, that's wonderful. I love the fact that stuff like this might become even more common with time.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 May 2008 20:50 (fifteen years ago) link

What are the chances this is 100% what we think it is and they're not secretly doing some secret military secret stuff like, er, looking for radioactive oil or something?

I've generally assumed that if there was secret operations going on then the funding for these missions would be fast-tracked (if not medium-tracked) and JPL wouldn't have to constantly beg on streetcorners for cash.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 26 May 2008 21:07 (fifteen years ago) link

NASA/JPL is not sweating it financially compared to almost all other big ticket science in the U.S. and pretty much all other science worldwide.

(e.g. so fucked: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Linear_Collider#Cost_and_time_estimates)

caek, Monday, 26 May 2008 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link

(which is not to say I think the 5.6 trillion dollars spent by the U.S. on its nuclear arsenal could not have been better spent, but NASA/JPL is one of the wealthiest public science bodies in the world and is not begging on street corners.)

caek, Monday, 26 May 2008 22:24 (fifteen years ago) link

NASA/JPL is one of the wealthiest public science bodies in the world and is not begging on street corners.)

True. But overall NASA has been reneging on promises that they originally made to the science programs in terms of the amount of funding that they would be getting.

In short, politics as usual. http://www.nasawatch.com/ gets nice and irate about this.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 05:29 (fifteen years ago) link

This is pretty interesting...

25 May note: I had a rather strange case of deja vu tonight as the first images from Phoenix flashed on my computer screen. The image on the left was taken on 25 May 2008 on Mars at 68 deg North. I took the picture on the right on Devon Island, 75 deg North in July 2007. I'm just saying ... those polygonal patterns on Mars are VERY familiar.

http://images.spaceref.com/news/2008/mars.devon.m.jpg

(Devon Island is where several research groups have been operating because it's considered to be a pretty good analog to Mars. Er... I'll say!)

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 05:32 (fifteen years ago) link

Capricorn Two!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 05:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Uhh... WOW! http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00001468/

They announced at this morning's press conference that yesterday, when they first looked at their photo of Phoenix under its parachute, the HiRISE team failed to really take in the context of the image. Well, here it is, and -- prepare to have to pick your jaw up off the floor.

http://www.planetary.org/image/PSP_008579_9020_descent_lg.jpg

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 20:21 (fifteen years ago) link

Phoenix against Heimdall crater as it lands
This amazing image was captured as Phoenix came in for its Mars landing on May 25, 2008. The HiRISE camera on Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter pointed at Phoenix, which is seen here against the background of a 10-kilometer-diameter crater called Heimdall. The dramatic view makes it appear that Phoenix is falling into the crater, but in fact Phoenix was 20 kilometers closer to HiRISE than Heimdall, and it landed nowhere near the crater. The photo was taken 20 seconds after Phoenix' parachute opened. Credit: NASA / JPL / U. Arizona

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 20:22 (fifteen years ago) link

fuck

Jarlrmai, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 21:05 (fifteen years ago) link

So cool. I heard about this on the radio this morning.

Michael White, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 21:06 (fifteen years ago) link

That is just so cool! Thanks!

James Morrison, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 23:55 (fifteen years ago) link

The crater pic in particular blew my mind.

James Morrison, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 23:56 (fifteen years ago) link

JESUS that crater photo. Holy god.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 00:39 (fifteen years ago) link

I, for one, welcome our new polygon overlords.

StanM, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 09:39 (fifteen years ago) link

The crater photo is astounding. Especially if you follow the link and look at the enlarged version.

I am using your worlds, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 10:07 (fifteen years ago) link

new desktop background

RabiesAngentleman, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 12:09 (fifteen years ago) link

Is the ground around Phoenix darker due to the landing thrusters do you reckon?

Jarlrmai, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 15:15 (fifteen years ago) link

I like what Bad Astronomy had to say about the parachute picture:

That is exactly what you think it is: Phoenix descending to the Martian surface underneath its parachute. This incredible shot was taken by the HiRISE camera on board the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter. You can easily see the ‘chute, the lander (still in its shell) and even the tether lines!

Think on this, and think on it carefully: you are seeing a manmade object falling gracefully and with intent to the surface of an alien world, as seen by another manmade object already circling that world, both of them acting robotically, and both of them hundreds of million of kilometers away.

Never, ever forget: we did this. This is what we can do.

Alba, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 20:19 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, what he said^.
This is what the word "awesome" was invented for.

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 20:51 (fifteen years ago) link

Sublime, in the truest sense of the word.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 20:51 (fifteen years ago) link

ICE IS NICE

A view of the ground underneath NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander adds to evidence that descent thrusters dispersed overlying soil and exposed a harder substrate that may be ice.

The image received Friday night from the spacecraft's Robotic Arm Camera shows patches of smooth and level surfaces beneath the thrusters.

"This suggests we have an ice table under a thin layer of loose soil," said the lead scientist for the Robotic Arm Camera, Horst Uwe Keller of Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research, Katlenburg- Lindau, Germany.

"We were expecting to find ice within two to six inches of the surface," said Peter Smith of the University of Arizona, Tucson, principal investigator for Phoenix. "The thrusters have excavated two to six inches and, sure enough, we see something that looks like ice. It's not impossible that it's something else, but our leading interpretation is ice."

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/234082main_under-427.jpg

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 1 June 2008 06:31 (fifteen years ago) link

I also want to add that "lead scientist for the Robotic Arm Camera, Horst Uwe Keller of Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research," is the greatest name/title/affiliation combination ever.

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 1 June 2008 06:31 (fifteen years ago) link

is the DVD copy protected?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Phoenix_mini-DVD_on_Mars.jpg

StanM, Sunday, 1 June 2008 10:05 (fifteen years ago) link

This isn't really coming from Mars though, is it?

http://twitter.com/MarsPhoenix

StanM, Sunday, 1 June 2008 15:09 (fifteen years ago) link

Well the data is coming from Mars, scientists are interpreting it and an intern is anthropomorphising it and posting it to twitter.

Jarlrmai, Sunday, 1 June 2008 16:11 (fifteen years ago) link

what a job!

StanM, Sunday, 1 June 2008 17:10 (fifteen years ago) link

OK, this is from Spirit not Phoenix, but whatevs. Holy shit.

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/117989main_image_feature_347_ys_full.jpg

caek, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 14:30 (fifteen years ago) link

alien!

In phoenix news I hear they are having problems getting the dirt in the oven for mass spec.

Jarlrmai, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 14:37 (fifteen years ago) link

xpost -- Well it's nice to know what the new Jesu album cover will be.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 14:51 (fifteen years ago) link

That Spirit shot is gorgeous.

James Morrison, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 23:13 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...
four weeks pass...

Snowfall!

Remember the movies of clouds floating above the Phoenix Lander? Further study with the lander's Lidar instrument has detected snow falling from Martian clouds. "The clouds are composed of ice crystals, and some of the crystals are large enough to fall through the atmosphere," said Jim Whiteway, lead scientist for the Meteorological Station on Phoenix. Whiteway and several researchers shared recent findings from Phoenix at a press briefing today. "So snow is falling from the clouds and we are going to be watching very closely over the next month for evidence that the snow is actually landing on the surface. This is a very important factor in the hydrological cycle on Mars, with the exchange of water between the surface and the atmosphere."

"Nothing like this view has ever been seen on Mars," Whiteway added.

From Phoenix images and data, scientists have observed water condensing in the atmosphere. In recent weeks, as the temperatures fall in onset of winter on Mars' northern plains, frost, ground fog and clouds are prevalent. "This is now occurring every night," said Whiteway. "The Lidar is able to probe the inner structure of the clouds. It emits pulses of light upward into the atmosphere and detects what is scattered back. The laser emits pulses of light 100 times per second, so if you were standing beside the lander looking upward, you'd see a continuous green beam." Data and images of the beam show bright spots in beam is where it is reflecting off ice crystals, and also where it reflects off clouds, a few miles above the surface.

The snow starts falling from a height of 4 km and fall down to 2 km. At that point the observations stopped, as they were initially set up for a limited amount of time. Further observations will be done to see if the snow is actually falling down to the surface of the planet.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 29 September 2008 22:42 (fifteen years ago) link

:-D I love stuff like this.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 September 2008 22:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Snow on Mars! Such a beautiful image, would love to see it.

shoving leopard (ledge), Monday, 29 September 2008 22:47 (fifteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

More on the snowfall at night

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 3 July 2009 00:41 (fourteen years ago) link

three years pass...

By the way, there's carbon-dioxide snow on Mars too

In 2008, we learned from the Phoenix Mars lander that it snows in Mars northern hemisphere — perhaps quite regularly – from clouds made of water vapor. But now, Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter data has revealed the clearest evidence yet of carbon-dioxide snowfalls on Mars. Scientists say this is the only known example of carbon-dioxide snow falling anywhere in our solar system.

“These are the first definitive detections of carbon-dioxide snow clouds,” said Paul Hayne from the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, lead author of a new study published in the Journal of Geophysical Research. “We firmly establish the clouds are composed of carbon dioxide — flakes of Martian air — and they are thick enough to result in snowfall accumulation at the surface.”

Scientists have known for decades that carbon-dioxide exists in ice in Mars’ seasonal and permanent southern polar caps. Frozen carbon dioxide, sometimes called “dry ice” here on Earth, requires temperatures of about -125 Celsius (- 193 degrees Fahrenheit), which is much colder than needed for freezing water.

Even though we like to think Mars is a lot like Earth, findings like this remind us that Mars is indeed quite different. But just as the water-based snow falls during the winter in Mars’ northern hemisphere, the CO2 snowfalls occurred from clouds around the Red Planet’s south pole during winter in the southern hemisphere.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 14 September 2012 04:51 (eleven years ago) link


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