2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

Well, dude WAS going to be excommunicated had he let this campaign run the hate course, but at least some people will talk to him next year.

Palin's SNL appearance will be even more interesting than the debate!

mccain losing control of his own crowds, palin spending the winter days of the campaign on SNL....pretty hilarious and sad imo

The best part about all of this?

Limbaugh. Hannity.

These are the people who will be soon holding the screaming flaming ball of right-wing freaks who think McCain "pussed out"

to be fair they were always holding that flaming ball, lovingly cradling it even

mcain tried the all out attack angle for a little while and it backfired - that is all

"i know my opponent is worried about his campaign, but i'm woried about..."

so sly

fr33p is going INSANE about this

is this election really so cut and dried now?

I've been following this election more closely than any other. I'm kind of astonished by, the longer this goes on, how NORMAL Obama seems. They can't pin the elite thing on him cos he just seems so down to earth. He is the liberal "guy you want to have a beer with".

btw did you see how mccain sort of subtly, uh, pinned the blame on palin for inciting the crowds?

he sort of, you could say, "threw her under the bus" a little

xp - Limbaugh and Hannity act all dress-shirt-and-tie though, and I don't necessarily agree that they could deal with a "Kill Him!" type crowd. I mean Hannity couldn't even hold himself against two Ron Paul fans! (Remember that incident?)

But yeah, Palin's presence is extremely awkward right now. Now there's someone who I have zero remorse for, Shakey Mo style.

Hannity couldn't even hold himself against two Ron Paul fans! (Remember that incident?)

no...? Limbaugh handles the public on a daily basis, Hannity may as well be a cardboard cut-out tho, he does not actually deal with people.

and you know I do feel empathy for people on occasion.

I was cryptic with my point. Yes, Limbaugh deals with the public daily, sure, but now he's the defacto go-to guy for the "Kill Him!" crowd... many poisons have hatched out amongst Republican supporters, and I'm not so sure Limbaugh wants inherit this much of that crowd, if that makes sense. It will jeopardize his career and hence his influence.

Hannity was tackled outside by two Ron Paul fans in the snow earlier this year on camera.

Hannity is just a more ESPN looking Tucker Carlson, basically. His cut-out ness is more obvious than ever. His embracing Palin is going to hurt him eventually.

mccain is a smart guy and i'm sure he's bummed that the type of people he'd actually like on a personal level are heading in droves to obamaworld; it's like some high-school popularity contest where he's trying to make up for his lack in numbers by assembling on his side all the big-toothed morons that he doesn't even like. and trying to pretend he doesn't care that hottie mcsmarts is on the other guy's side because, look here, i've got the exchange student who crapped himself once and also the kid who's allergic to his desk.

palin is indefensible. people claiming that she's in over her head & being manipulated & etc are falling into the same sexist trope that she sometimes rationally claims is being leveraged against her. i don't think any one would have the same amount of sympathy for a weak male candidate.

xp - And O'Reilly wins big time for interviewing Obama. You can hate O'Reilly and Murdoch, but they knew what they were doing.

You can analyze or politicize motives all day, but it's just plain decent of McCain to draw back from crazy-hateful rhetoric coming from his crowds. I respect that, and in his case I believe it's fundamentally genuine, especially after his experience in 2000. (I think a lot of his relationship with negative attacks in this campaign makes more sense given his experience in 2000 -- i.e., he strikes me as someone who doesn't care for them but came away from that primary with the lesson that maybe that's just what it takes to win.)

I also think any smart person whose soul hasn't completely evaporated would find it really painful and frustrating to be losing a race and trying to make sensible arguments and have supporters coming at you with nutso statements that in no way help your cause -- not least because you'd start to get the feeling that even your own supporters aren't really listening to the substance of what you're saying, and have been lured there by other whistles entirely

a good old fashioned nabisco OTM xpost

and trying to pretend he doesn't care that hottie mcsmarts is on the other guy's side because, look here, i've got the exchange student who crapped himself once and also the kid who's allergic to his desk.

lolz post o the day

not least because you'd start to get the feeling that even your own supporters aren't really listening to the substance of what you're saying, and have been lured there by other whistles entirely

this is a guy who considers being a POW a qualification for being President

how many fucking people in Iraq are dead because of this jackass

yeah i figure mccain could have easily continued just issuing press releases condemning the vitriol but this rather direct "stfu everyone" to that crowd was a good move and i think shows that he's likely the most decent person in the core group of his campaign. not saying much imo, but still...

This is a lot of fun to read:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2102683/posts

no it is not

well, i've been enjoying it

oh wait yes it is! sry i just shutdown seeing a freepr link

are we allowed to link 2 fr33p3rs?

nutso statements that in no way help your cause

i really think that if it was politically expedient he would continue encouraging the crowds to hate-vent. but it makes no sense on any front to let that continue, so he shut it down. i agree that he's probably personally uncomfortable with it on some level, but i don't think that that's the driving force here.

http://i352.photobucket.com/albums/r332/mccainlist/amigo-illegals.jpg wau

Palin/Jindhal!

Palin/Nugent!!!

BossLady/Pissant!!! LOL! ;)

do u fr33p

"If Hussein wins all of us who post on Free Republic will, by 2012, be living in a gulag somewhere in upstate North Dakota."

1) nabisco otm, seems more genuine than even his own attacks somehow (but this is from An European, so I know him less & have seen & heard less at length plus ads etc obv).

2) anyway, now having chuckles with mental images of McCain going into booth, looking around furtively and pulling Obama lever.

^^^^ I have imagined (2) happening before

"If Hussein wins all of us who post on Free Republic will, by 2012, be living in a gulag somewhere in upstate North Dakota."

One more reason to vote for Obama!

KEYWORDS: loser; mccain; mcqueeg; mcrino

which fr33pr u blap

now now, mental retards need support and professional care, not incarceration

x-post

i really think that if it was politically expedient he would continue encouraging the crowds to hate-vent

I think we may be talking about one of these areas where political expedience and basic decency intersect. These are on-mic comments at his events: there is no plus to a candidate nodding attentively while people say extreme or objectionable things about his opponent. Yes, part of this is that it would alienate swing voters by associating the candidate with an angry, rabid fringe and making him/her look of them. But -- and this is particularly important given McCain's reputation -- it makes the candidate look opportunistic, unsavory, unfair, divisive, slick, and just plain lacking in basic decency and reasonableness, way beyond the level where candidates can get away with those things. Those are qualities McCain has been explicitly selling about himself.

I mean, the most expedient turn-out for McCain would obviously be if he could encourage people to hate-vent in a way that never slipped over into people saying anything so objectionable that he needed to step back from it. I almost feel bad for him that he can't get that, because it's what's afforded to every presidential candidate who's not running against, say, a xenophobe's nightmare.

also think any smart person whose soul hasn't completely evaporated would find it really painful and frustrating to be losing a race and trying to make sensible arguments and have supporters coming at you with nutso statements that in no way help your cause -- not least because you'd start to get the feeling that even your own supporters aren't really listening to the substance of what you're saying, and have been lured there by other whistles entirely

― nabisco, Friday, October 10, 2008 7:36 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

have u been following the campaign at all - mccain hasnt made any attempt at sensible arguments in a long time - he has in fact been cultivating the exact sentiment his supporters have been expressing - harping that obama hangs out w/terrorists that we dont know him that hes dangerous

he been facing crowds like this for a while now and only stood up to them once the media started calling him on it

more like broseph six pack

Yeah I don't think nabisco your argument is born out by the reality of McCain's campaigning.

I do.

To: word_warrior_bob
Poor, poor vanity, pissant. piss-poor. I’m surprised at you. It’s the candidate’s job to take the high road, he does it often enough to tick us off granted, but this kind of vanity is just ridiculous.

McCain attacked the crowd, and protected Oboma. A smart man would have attacked the RHETERIC, rather than the Republicans McCain ASSUMED were doing it.
The "angry crowd" could have just as easily been democrat activists attempting to make the Republican crowd look "racist."
Think about it. What Republican in his right mind would scream "Kill him! Hang him" in front of a dozen TV cameras?
129 posted on Fri Oct 10 19:33:40 2008 by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")