The Stooges vs. Black Sabbath

Thank you B.Magill, it's beyond awesome-- simultaneously timeless and foundational. Is that the version from "Past Lives"?

American voting for Stooges right here!

by the way,

"Supernaut" vs. _____________ (by the Stooges)?

"I'll stick it deep inside, I'll stick it deep inside..."

"Is that the version from "Past Lives"?

I believe so. Note the different lyrics from the "Paranoid" version.

2 days to go. has it all been said already?

Thanks Magill for the Hands of Doom clip. Really hitting the spot right now.

I always hoped that one day I would have this epiphany that would make think "oh my god I need to have all the Sabbath albums RIGHT NOW" but alas, though I have owned a few of their albums, this moment has not yet occured. I have a great and deep respect for them, however.

Stooges "Funhouse" still stomps all over them, though. Sorry, guys.

2 days to go. has it all been said already?

not until I post sabbath's "paranoid" from the paris concert

just about my favorite piece of live footage ever

Is that the version from "Past Lives"?

these tracks on past lives are from the paris '70 show

"Hand of Doom"
"Iron Man"
"Black Sabbath"
"N.I.B."
"Behind the Wall of Sleep"
"Fairies Wear Boots"

paris '70 "war pigs" also pleasantly punishing

And they're all on You Tube, right, those Paris songs you listed?

"Black Sabbath" the song will always be my fave, I think. Surely that is where goth began? I understand the love for "Supernaut", though.

for those still puzzling over why some bloated metal band from the 70s is challenging the almighty stooges, the paris '70 show demonstrates the simple fact that underneath all the fat, all the drugs, all the satanic paraphanalia, all the platinum records, all the overblown stage sets, all the bad production jobs thrown at them, all the conversion vans in parking lots around the world belching gusts of reefer smoke and endless bloozey gtr solos, at the core sabbath was 4 guys who could turn it the fuck out in a very real + direct way.

zeppelin and a lot of other metal bands relied on the studio to provide similar otherworldly rock gravitas, but sabbath was mainlining from the source, like their amps were plugged directly into the earth.

it's the shared simplicity of intentions/of expression that make this poll both a natural and a bedevilment.

And they're all on You Tube, right, those Paris songs you listed?

probably... I think this is the paris '70 setlist, but for some reason I remember "black sabbath" being in there somewhere?

1. Paranoid
2. Hand of Doom
3. Iron Man
4. Black Sabbath
5. N.I.B.
6. Behind the Wall of Sleep
7. War Pigs
8. Fairies Wear Boots

this show is infamous cuz no one remembers where it occurred, or the actual date, which is odd since it was professionaly filmed. london? paris? belgium? dec 19? dec 20? who knows. I just wish they'd get around to doing a proper cleaned up dvd release.

oh look, there's "black sabbath" at number 4. I don't think that's the right order. anyway, happy hunting.

zeppelin and a lot of other metal bands relied on the studio to provide similar otherworldly rock gravitas, but sabbath was mainlining from the source, like their amps were plugged directly into the earth.

Okay, woah, woah, woah. Put the gun down, stop right now. I purposely did not mention Zeppelin in my post and I expect the same from others. We are not going to put Zeppelin against Sabbath because Zep will win, and rightly so. But I told you I didn't want to open that particular can of worms.

Anyway I am gonna seek out "Black Sabbath" on You Tube right now. Thanks.

"We are not going to put Zeppelin against Sabbath because Zep will win, and rightly so."

Not in my house!

when I invoked zep I didn't really want to rehash me + shakey mo's showdown on the FIRST FOUR Led Zeppelin albums vs. FIRST FOUR Black Sabbath albums thread... but to satisfy the tender constitutions of you zeppelin fans, my statement could be read as "when sabbath did what sabbath does best, they out-heavied everybody in the game with a lot more natural grace then they are given credit for."

(kinda like the stooges)

final exhibit... at the other end of the spectrum, sabbath mach I enters heat death. ozzy's voice has been ravaged by drug and drink, the backdrop's a cartoony skull, they are seriously getting their spinal tap on. but still, that primal undertow.

watching this I get how stooges fans could find sabbath fascistic and oppressive... it also makes me wonder, if the stooges had sold as many copies of funhouse as sabbath did of paranoid, would they have ended up in any better shape?

that clip's from '78 btw

Ed III kicking all sorts of ass on this thread.

Ozzy has no voice in that "Symptom.." clip, but the band sounds heavy as hell.

like their amps were plugged directly into the earth.

I like this idea/imagery.

o hai thanks guys

love em both but I voted stooges. sabbath has more songs I like, more albums I like, more consistent albums, I care way more about bands inspired by sabbath, the list goes on... but I just like funhouse more than any sabbath record. or most other records period. had to go with my heart.

my vote is cast. sabbath.

Thanks Edward III for the wonderful videos. Iommi's guitar in "Symptom of the Universe" puts me in a state of bliss .

Symptom vs. Supernaut? You decide!!!

I wanna reach out and touch this guy.

touch: "shake hands" or "strangle"?

I know I got slightly gnarly on you on the Sublime thread, but Ned rly you're one of my favorite ILXers!

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Funhouse is a better album than anything Sabbath did, but just counting the original version of Sabbath, they did a whole lot more really killer music. The first Stooges album is cool, but it really a padded EP and Raw Power is a bit different sounding band when you add in James Williamson.

love em both but I voted stooges. sabbath has more songs I like, more albums I like, more consistent albums, I care way more about bands inspired by sabbath, the list goes on... but I just like funhouse more than any sabbath record. or most other records period. had to go with my heart.

― Alan N, miércoles 15 de octubre de 2008 20:59

duh. You're supposed to be voting for the best band in the poll not the best record.

the moment of truth is nigh!

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

You knew it. You just knew it. Anyhoo, a fantastic read throughout. Props to Shakey for setting it off.

why does ILM hate metal?

when exactly did Funhouse achieve this "OMG THIS IS THE BEST ALBUM OF ALL-TIME!!!!" status? Was it when the box set was released? Cuz I mean its fun and all (haha) but I really do not understand the reverence in which it is held.

or is ILM really just a bunch of art fags (which would seem to be the case when the majority opinion is VU>>>>Stooges>>>>Zeppelin>>>>Sabbath)

Iggy keeps the company of David Bowie; Black Sabbath have no friends.

I don't want to literalize this fascinating point too much but did Ozzy-era Sabbath ever hobnob with anyone noteworthy on a regular basis? I don't know their story too well. Which leads to my next question: what's the best Sabbath bio? (I searched but came up with nothing on ILM.)

"when exactly did Funhouse achieve this "OMG THIS IS THE BEST ALBUM OF ALL-TIME!!!!" status?"

Uh when it was released?

oh come on Funhouse didn't sell shit and the critics hated it when it was released

i don't know what you're bitching about, this is a pretty close poll

plus funhouse is better

"oh come on Funhouse didn't sell shit and the critics hated it when it was released"

Fine 1977 then. Either way it's been acknowledged to be a classic since I've been paying attention to music.

I've just always assumed that the Stooges only gradually accrued iconic status primarily due to being trumpeted by later generations of punk bands and their offshoots (the Germs, Henry Rollins, Sonic Youth, etc.) Certainly my first exposure to the Stooges was via Sonic Youth covering "I Wanna Be Your Dog" at the end of set in the late 80s

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er "live sets"

and mostly I'm complaining about Sabbath not winning a single poll they've been in so far! Which just seems wrong for such an important band. And I've voted against them in a couple of those polls!

maybe you should put them up against shittier bands

I voted for them in plenty of these polls. Just not this one.

Or the Hawkwind one.

Lot of votes here. Who were the first punk bands to cover the Stooges? Sex Pistols with No Fun or the Damned with I Feel Alright? I think I've seen bootlegs with the Damned doing I Feel Alright in 1976 but I guess the same could be true of the Pistols. Not that it matters or anything.

Was there a VU one? I wouldn't have voted for them in that one either.

Well these threads have been great just for seeing the Paris 1970 footage