me either, can't get past the first two songs. same reaction i had to grinderman...I love nick cave but, maybe like the fall, I've just kind of had enough
― akm, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 06:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Yes, exactly.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 06:22 (sixteen years ago) link
I've had Straight to You on repeat all evening - it's an amazingly beautiful song. Not two things I normally associate with one another, beauty and Nick Cave
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 2 October 2008 21:18 (fifteen years ago) link
Classic but Dig Lazarus Dig hasn't appealed to me either.
― Vision, Thursday, 2 October 2008 21:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Most of Lyre of Orpheus is beautiful imo
― an abduction of a guy into a weird artsy world... (wilter), Thursday, 2 October 2008 21:51 (fifteen years ago) link
― Eazy, Thursday, 2 October 2008 21:55 (fifteen years ago) link
Dud. Birthday Party great, but after that I sometimes wonder whether he is responsible for Bad Things in music. PJ Harvey turned rubbish after she hung out with Cave, then he infected Will Oldham, and he also gave Kylie cancer.
All rather stagey for me and a friend who saw Grinderman recently came back spitting venom.
He is in some way responsible for the song Mr Cave's A Window Cleaner Now by Half Man Half Biscuit though, so I suppose we must put our bright swords up and let the good Lord calculate the final reckoning.
― GamalielRatsey, Friday, 3 October 2008 00:14 (fifteen years ago) link
Your post really made me scared that the Nick Cave show I'm seeing on Monday night might not live up to my expectations but then I saw that you liked at least part of Will Oldham's career.
― Reatards Unite, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:37 (fifteen years ago) link
PJ Harvey turned rubbish after she hung out with Cave
Motherfucker you crazy. PJ has always been great, always will be. Put out her best album a year ago, in fact... in case you didn't notice.
― ilxor, Friday, 3 October 2008 05:07 (fifteen years ago) link
reatards unite, don't fret, it will be great. i've seen nick a few times (though the last time was maybe 3 years ago) and he has never once been disappointing. MUCH better than when i saw will oldham, no doubt.
― ian, Friday, 3 October 2008 05:10 (fifteen years ago) link
also lol @ the pinefox hating on the caveman.
― ian, Friday, 3 October 2008 05:11 (fifteen years ago) link
I didn't like it, sadly, but I'm pretty sure that's my loss. My music tastes have got so narrow as to be the aural equivalent of an old man with dyspepsia picking at his food.
Nick Cave is one of those people who, because he gets close to the sort of thing I like, but doesn't quite hit the mark for me, gets my hackles up more than people I like less. Does that make sense? I'm not sure it does...
Will Oldham was dreadful the last time I saw him, I almost wept with boredom.
Christ - me, I, me, I, me, I. Shut up, man, who wants to know?
― GamalielRatsey, Friday, 3 October 2008 08:26 (fifteen years ago) link
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds US Tour Dates
After seeing their most recent show, still classic. His relevance has outlasted all of his younger acolytes, including Gallon Drunk, The Flaming Stars (James Johnston has been a Bad Seed for the past 4 years), 16 Horsepower, Black Heart Procession...
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 3 October 2008 21:26 (fifteen years ago) link
Classic.
Nick Cave is the coolest man on the planet, next to Leonard Cohen.
I'm seeing Nick Cave tomorrow night here in NYC and I am psyched. I've missed him several times...but no more. I'm sure he's going to leave me stunned by greatness.
― peskypesky, Saturday, 4 October 2008 04:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Dear Nick,
Please come back to Austin, Texas. I miss you being here. If you come I will buy a ticket to your show, get drunk and sing along to "Stagger Lee" with you... and really, what could be better?
Cheers,ilxor
― ilxor, Saturday, 4 October 2008 05:39 (fifteen years ago) link
i walked past warren ellis near madison square gardens a couple of hours ago, and it made me wish i'd be spending tonight watching him legkick and flail. report back, nyc-ers.
― schlump, Saturday, 4 October 2008 23:26 (fifteen years ago) link
nick cave is the motherfuckin man, c'mon now
― M@tt He1ges0n, Sunday, 5 October 2008 01:05 (fifteen years ago) link
Best places to start? Live Seeds is incredible and can stand in for the entirety of his solo output to that point. The only album of Mr. Cave's I currently own or feel the need to own is the b-sides comp, which only has one stone dud on it and which - kind of - can stand in for the rest of his solo records.
― staggerlee, Sunday, 5 October 2008 15:09 (fifteen years ago) link
nick cave is doing the music for a production of Woyzeck where i work. should be amazing. http://www.bam.org/view.aspx?pid=112
― Surmounter, Sunday, 5 October 2008 15:14 (fifteen years ago) link
xpost pretty much everything he did in the 80's/early 90's is awesome. Since then, it's mostly been pretty good. I probably listen to the first half of Henry's Dream the most. Nick Cave's got that kind of Fall thing where you have to just dig in at random and start feeling your way out from wherever you are, and you feel like you have to get more and more and become familiar with lots of his stuff before you can understand any of it well. That Very Best of is actually a pretty dec introduction; it doesn't really work as an album, but it does a great job of sampling all the kinds of stuff they've done. Getting that and going from there would be as good a way as any to dig into them.
― BigLurks, Monday, 6 October 2008 18:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Anybody see the DC show(s)?
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 7 October 2008 04:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Mr. Monster & I were there on Monday!
― i've got a bracelet too (jessie monster), Tuesday, 7 October 2008 23:57 (fifteen years ago) link
I was there on Monday and thought it was a pretty badass show. I'd like to shake the hand of the man who yelled out for "Your Funeral My Trial," which killed.
― deusner, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 00:22 (fifteen years ago) link
How was Kid Congo?
― Capitaine Jay Vee, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 02:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Just read a few pages of Cave's new novel, The Death Of Bunny Munro:
Bunny stops thinking about Sabrina Cantrell's backside and starts thinking about her pussy instead and quite soon he is thinking about Avril Lavigne's vagina. He is almost positive that Avril Lavigne possesses the fucking Valhalla of all vaginas, and in response to this late-night lucubration he carefully folds a copy of the Daily Mail over his semi-tumescent memeber. There is, after all, a child in the room.
― Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 25 June 2009 13:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Is this book published yet?
― anagram, Thursday, 25 June 2009 13:07 (fourteen years ago) link
Don't think so, but there's an extract in a magazine called Loops.
― Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 25 June 2009 13:09 (fourteen years ago) link
the fucking Valhalla of all vaginas
Oh dear. The porn mustache has finally taken its toll.
― Alex in NYC, Thursday, 25 June 2009 13:17 (fourteen years ago) link
YOU'RE A OLD SLEAZY GUY NOW, WE GET IT, WELL DONE
― The New Beautiful South's New Bassist (King Boy Pato), Thursday, 25 June 2009 13:19 (fourteen years ago) link
And that quote actually makes it sound better than it is! It's pretty bad. It honestly reads like it was written by some smart-arse seventeen year old. Shit doesn't hit the fan, instead "the shit and the fan had their fateful assignation." You'd never guess he already has a previous novel and various screenplays under his belt. Avril Lavigne's vagina seems to be some sort of leitmotif:
A great wall of darkness moves towards him. It is unconsciousness and it is sleep. It moves like a vast tidal wave but before it breaks over him and he is away, before he renders himself completley to that oblivious sleep, he thinks, with a sudden, terrible, bottomless dread, of Avril Lavigne's vagina.
― Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 25 June 2009 13:49 (fourteen years ago) link
they dragged Avril & her vaginerrrr from the holeand the bulb that burned above themdid shine both day and nightand the 'giner learned to love its greater darks and lesser lights
― worm? lol (J0hn D.), Thursday, 25 June 2009 13:57 (fourteen years ago) link
This stuff sounds pretty bad, folks. Surely he's capable of better.
― Tantamount To Pressurized Milk (Bimble), Thursday, 25 June 2009 16:03 (fourteen years ago) link
this sounds great! what do you expect?
― akm, Thursday, 25 June 2009 16:08 (fourteen years ago) link
"Avril Lavigne" is very nearly an anagram of "Evil Vagina"!
― Lostandfound, Friday, 26 June 2009 04:01 (fourteen years ago) link
nick cave's writing was almost always pretentious
― Zeno, Friday, 26 June 2009 04:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Gotta risk pretentiousness and sentimentality to get anywhere deep.
― Eazy, Friday, 26 June 2009 04:07 (fourteen years ago) link
That said, was that excerpted in Razzle?
― Eazy, Friday, 26 June 2009 04:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Dig Lazarus Dig (album) overall is amusing and well written, and there are plenty of great songs on it. I really like it.
― Evan, Friday, 26 June 2009 04:10 (fourteen years ago) link
actual LOLZ
Too bad "vagina" doesn't have two syllables or else you could sing it to the tune of "Evil Woman". That is, if you could do Jeff Lynne's falsetto.
― Tantamount To Pressurized Milk (Bimble), Friday, 26 June 2009 04:22 (fourteen years ago) link
i like grinderman and lazarus now. not sure what I was thinking a few years back. I even like nocturama now.
― akm, Saturday, 1 May 2010 06:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah Bunny Munro was pretty terrible. Hard to believe it was written by the same person who wrote the wonderful And The Ass Saw The Angel.
― anagram, Saturday, 1 May 2010 07:53 (thirteen years ago) link
i kind of like most of no more shall we part now as well. what is wrong with me. I'm still pretty sure bunny munro will not be any good though.
― akm, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually I see things exactly opposite. "...And the Ass Saw the Angel" was a nice try but Nick clearly wasn't up to the task of writing a story in the O'Connor/Faulkner mode. That book ends up a pretentious mess.
"Bunny Munro" on the other hand was, to me, pretty funny in parts and much more relaxed. It didn't pretend to be great literature and the tone much in line with the louche demeanor put forth by Grinderman.
― kwhitehead, Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:22 (thirteen years ago) link
after spending a lot of time with all the post-boatman's call albums over the past month, it's pretty obvious to me now that abattoir blues/lyre of orpheus is a monumental masterpiece of a record, maybe better than boatman's call, rivaling the good son for my favorite overall record of his. I suppose a lot of people already knew this but for some reason I slept on this album for a long time, maybe because of the length, maybe also because even though I'd purchased it, the version I had on my ipod was cobbled together mp3s of different bitrates and mis-sequenced and it seemed more like a mess than it actually is.
― akm, Friday, 14 May 2010 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes, it's fantastic. Probably my album of the year for 2004 and a hell of a masterpiece, his best work overall.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 14 May 2010 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
It is probably crazy how much better I like "From Her to Eternity" on the Wings of Desire soundtrack v. "From Her to Eternity" on the album of that name. It's just razor sharp, man.
― 17th Century Catholic Spain (Abbbottt), Saturday, 23 October 2010 02:09 (thirteen years ago) link
very much seconded. I discovered the song through that movie and was appalled when I heard the tinny original.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 26 October 2010 09:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Totally otm. Movie version so much richer, much more dramatic. I always skip the original bc I hate the way it sounds.
― That is the stench of tyranny (VegemiteGrrrl), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 05:20 (thirteen years ago) link
When they're first committed to tape, lot of Bad Seeds numbers (in contrast to Nick Cave songs) seem to be a groove with a chord change and a monologue on top. It's later on that the noise and improv gets solidified into a song. The Live Seeds versions of his early 90s stuff is a lot more compelling too. "Tupelo" and "Mercy Seat" seem to be lucky situations where the total fire was there at the start.
― bendy, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 12:10 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i'm not usually a fan of live albums but most versions on Live Seed kill the originals
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 14:07 (thirteen years ago) link