Sub-editors: how can I avoid killing them?

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Also, the most brilliant person I've ever known, the most brilliant person on ILX in my view, and its most dazzlingly good writer (all one person) is a sub-editor.

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"Aw thanks, Martin!"

Stark Minker (Ken L), Friday, 25 November 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

how does one go about becoming a sub? where should i start looking?

one starts as a reporter and works their way up :)

what training do you have, emsk? the NUJ runs subbing courses all over the place: they'd be a good place to start.

also: i fear a large part of PA's subbing operation is now in yorkshire somewhere. (or is it lancashire? no, that's northern and shell. ach: subs please check.)

if you want, drop me an e-mail off board (use the webmail link or i'll not see it for years) and i can give you the benefit of my immense wisdom hem-hem-hem.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 25 November 2005 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link

ooh, and if any subs reading this want a job in singapore, e-mail me.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 25 November 2005 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link

nb: stet, except you.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 25 November 2005 18:25 (eighteen years ago) link

How about a job where I don't have to leave my apartment (except for key supplies like beer)?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 25 November 2005 18:28 (eighteen years ago) link

nothing right now, sir. try again next week.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 25 November 2005 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Don't they chop your hands off in Singapore if you make a punctuation error?

Alba (Alba), Friday, 25 November 2005 18:31 (eighteen years ago) link

email sent. it wouldn't let me send to private address so it's gone to your screen one...

emsk ( emsk), Friday, 25 November 2005 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Don't they chop your hands off in Singapore if you make a punctuation error?

No wonder RJG is on the run.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 25 November 2005 18:38 (eighteen years ago) link

it wouldn't let me send to private address

oh, wank. wonder why? goddamn ilx. never mind. i found it (in my spam folder) and shall reply when sober, over the weekend.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 25 November 2005 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link

But if you reply now there could be merriment.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 25 November 2005 23:13 (eighteen years ago) link

don't add commas to my piece or take them away you motherfuckers! I put them in for a reason and I can use them more effectively than you!!!

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 25 November 2005 23:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I have dealt with writers who used commas like sprinkles on ice cream. Ornamental punctuation. If they went more than 5 or 6 words without one they started to get itchy. And then they would leave them out in places that needed them.

(And here's a peeve: That scene in Shattered Glass where the publisher makes the whole editing staff go through the whole magazine circling every comma to make sure that each one has a complementary comma to go with it. Which only makes sense when you're using commas to set off a clause, not if you're breaking up discrete parts of a sentence. It was like, the movie was trying to show these wonky editors hard at wonky work, but it got the details wrong.

Then of course there's the move where Drew Barrymore is a copyeditor at a Chicago newspaper with her own office and personal assistant. Oh how I laughed. And cried.)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 25 November 2005 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I put them in for a reason and I can use them more effectively than you!!!

you're joking, of course, ronan. but let's just assume that this is a parallel universe and you're not ...

1) i wouldn't trust anyone who uses three dog-dicks to have the first idea what to do with a comma ;)

2) did you ever write a dissertation on commas? 'cos i did. you can read it if you want. no, really. come back ...

anyway. that's not why i came here. i came to say: emsk, did you get my e-mail? any use?

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link

grimly, was your dissertation marked by RJG?

ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

tragically, no ... but i've had a GREAT idea for his birthday. where's that specialist bookbinder's number gone?

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:55 (eighteen years ago) link

yes i did! and thank you SO much! it's exactly the stuff i need to know. i keep meaning to reply but have been running around all over the place the last week. please don't think it's not appreciated though, because it really is...

emsk ( emsk), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Then of course there's the move where Drew Barrymore is a copyeditor at a Chicago newspaper with her own office and personal assistant. Oh how I laughed. And cried.)

this is my favorite movie ever! her name is JOSIE GROSSIE!

mies van der rohffle (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i avoided that film because the premise seemed to be that DB could only find fulfilment as a "writer", and not as a copyeditor. grrrrrrRRR.

emsk: no worries at all! glad to be of service.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:10 (eighteen years ago) link

No, I think the premise is that it's OK to be a teacher and perv at your pupils if they look like Drew Barrymore.

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

i avoided that film because the premise seemed to be that DB could only find fulfilment as a "writer", and not as a copyeditor. grrrrrrRRR.

they're both pretty thankless jobs. (well, except drew-as-writer gets to kiss the cute, with-it teacher at the end.)

mies van der rohffle (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link

but yeah, it would be great to have a copy editor love story ("i found her knowledge of words into type... bewitching").

mies van der rohffle (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:19 (eighteen years ago) link

"then she left me hanging, like a misrelated participle."

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:21 (eighteen years ago) link

[ping]

"n06splash.headline has been assigned to you or your group"

[open]

"DARLING I LOVE YOU. WILL YOU
MARRY ME? AND TO FILL AT 72PT"

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:22 (eighteen years ago) link

"he was a serial comma user, and a serial user in general."

mies van der rohffle (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:22 (eighteen years ago) link

grimly, i would like to read the dissertation on commas cos I think I prob do some subs heads in, with, my, over-commafication, of, everything.

x,,,,,,post.

Zoe Espera (Espera), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link

you've certainly done my head in with yr missed possessive apostrophe :)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:29 (eighteen years ago) link

subs'

please forgive

Zoe Espera (Espera), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Please canI REad it annyways? I can? Your very kind

(not funny - soz)

Zoe Espera (Espera), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:32 (eighteen years ago) link

If the place I worked at before had a bad CE, and my immediate superior agrees with me, is there a way that I can stage a coup and take over as CE?

Keep the juices flowing by jangling around gentleee as you move (Leee), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link

x-post to zoe: if you have a copy of pagemaker 5, you can read it RIGHT NOW.

seriously, yes, i shall try to dig it out. in a non-PM5 format. i shall e-mail you soon. or hopefully catch up with you IRL ... you missed a heap of tent-related comedy on friday night.

leeeee: yes. you need guns. and butter.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Then the direct approach to my ex-sub is ok? I hesitate to do anything because the current CE moved from out of state.

Keep the juices flowing by jangling around gentleee as you move (Leee), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I found his ability to count how wide a headline would be in centimetres old-fashioned.

zoe: prizes if you spot the mistakes in GF's epic.

stet (stet), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:47 (eighteen years ago) link

,

RJG (RJG), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:50 (eighteen years ago) link

stet: I will print out gf's great masterpiece and arm self with a red pen. Fink chances of a find slim to nil, mind.

grim f: IRL/email, yes.

Zoe Espera (Espera), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Then the direct approach to my ex-sub is ok? I hesitate to do anything because the current CE moved from out of state.

i would always advocate the direct approach. what have you got to lose?

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 5 December 2005 23:06 (eighteen years ago) link

zoe: prizes if you spot the mistakes in GF's epic.

not very good ones, i hope. it's fucking riddled with them. aren't most of the x-refs missing?

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 5 December 2005 23:08 (eighteen years ago) link

yes. but the punctuation's good.

Mädchen (Madchen), Monday, 5 December 2005 23:16 (eighteen years ago) link

er, that was me.

stet (stet), Monday, 5 December 2005 23:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Then of course there's the move where Drew Barrymore is a copyeditor at a Chicago newspaper with her own office and personal assistant. Oh how I laughed. And cried.)

And the bit in Human Traffic where John Simm pretends to be a Mixmag writer to blag into a club and phones his PA. PA? Oh dear indeed.

Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 11:28 (eighteen years ago) link

still haven't seen that. i've been told by one person i don't quite trust that it's great, and by one person with typically sound judgment that it's weak.

mies van der rohffle (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 11:38 (eighteen years ago) link

but yeah, it would be great to have a copy editor love story

"This action has caused the relationship to become detached"

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 11:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked it when it first came out Jody, but at the time I was going clubbing loads. Now ... I don't think it's dated well, but it still gives me a faint nostalgic pull.

Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 11:47 (eighteen years ago) link

"Some relationships were incorrectly attached. If you continue, they will be detached"

(PS: I meant "no prizes" above there. stupid word-dropping sub. O the shame)

stet (stet), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 14:02 (eighteen years ago) link

For those UKILXors desperate for their fix of Drew Barrymore's roffletastic copy-editing skillzors, Never Been Kissed is on ITV2 tonight. I like to think this thread influenced this decision.

Grimly, I've emailed you a vaguely work related question that I would like answered please. A pint will be your reward :)

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:25 (eighteen years ago) link

oooooo, PINT!

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:48 (eighteen years ago) link

(I'm nicking the money out of petty cash to pay for it - since it's a work-related question I can justify a pint on expenses, I think. I AM TEH CHEAPSKATEDNESS!)

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:53 (eighteen years ago) link

i read "pint" as "bint."

mies van der rohffle (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know if I can get one of them on expenses. I could try...

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Surely they're a perk in Paisley? [ducks]

stet (stet), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:00 (eighteen years ago) link


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