Steven Spielberg - classic or dud

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minority report was pretty bad but he gets love for weird bald samantha morton

― 3, Thursday, 28 July 2005 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link

"Three years before production began, Steven Spielberg assembled a team of sixteen future experts in Santa Monica to brainstorm out the year 2054 for him. This team included Neil Gershenfeld, professor at the Media Lab at MIT; Shaun Jones, director of biomedical research at DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency); William Mitchell, dean of the school of architecture at MIT; Peter Calthorpe, the New Urbanism evangelist; Jaron Lanier, one of the inventors of virtual reality technology; Douglas Coupland, author and commentator; Stewart Brand, author, scientist and co-creator of The Well online community; Kevin Kelly, founder of Wired Magazine; 'Harald Belker', car designer; and 'John Underkoffler', the science and technology advisor for the movie."

and it STILL looked fake

― 3, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd suggest the criticisms of the anti-Spielberg crowd sound a lot like the complaints of haters of Paul McCartney. So regardless of how you respond to their aesthetics, accept that they're pop giants and NEXT!...

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Douglas Coupland!! haha. that guy's a terrible writer. doubt he knows all that much about the "the future" either.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:04 (eighteen years ago) link

i wonder if he predicted the current state of him not selling any books

― 6, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I agree with whoever said upthread that one should treat an uneven Spielberg movie as one would treat a rubbish album: criticize the bad parts, then ignore them, and concentrate on the good ones.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link

i read that all the "futurists" were pissed off because spielberg ignored them and just did what he wanted to anyway!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link

(like storing data in big plates of glass)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked that though, even though it's completely fake.

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link

it makes no sense

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link

'Futurists' have usually been wrong, yes? Concept of 'fake' in sci-fi, dicey.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

i love all the future movies where its still close enough to now so shit is not all bladerunnered out and it just looks like a rich white ppl suburb w/ cooler appliances (the 6th day, back to the future 2, etc)

― 3, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:22 (eighteen years ago) link

minority report definitely TRIED to do that, i kinda liked that he didn't just replace all the buildings with future-buildings. there's some scene in a residential neighbourhood that looks like a neighbourhood circa now...

the worst is futurizing stuff that doesn't make any sense, like in AI... in the future cars will only need THREE wheels!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link

haha what about demolition man where the cars have PLASTIC PANELS OVER THE WHEELS SO YOU CAN ONLY SEE THE BOTTOM!!!!! 'our plastic car panel technology has advanced light years beyond yours!'

― 3, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't abide any harsh criticisms of Bladerunner, particularly its set/scenery design! wtf

have you seen the LA refinery lately? that IS Bladerunner.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

my uncle's friend's son wrote demolition man!! apparently he made out well, as i've heard at many many family gatherings

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

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'hey slocki, long time no see! you tried the potato salad?'

― 3, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link

didn't demolition man take place in a future dominated by taco bells?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:32 (eighteen years ago) link

can we do fake spielberg?

1. dude who did joe vs the volcano
2. dude who did disney's the kid

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

3. shyamalan

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah like i said, realistic!! look heres dude w/ slick rick-
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― 3, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

man i love joe vs the volcano!

― 3, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I was keeping off the sucka punches on the "Spielberg more provocative than Lee" comment but if you wanna kick yourself in a metaphorical discussion-genitals go ahead!

I dunno. Seems like most Spielberg movies lately generate a lot more heated discussion (even if a massive chunk of the chatter comes from the usual suspects, the "spielberg/lucas killed the '70s renaissance, et al" folk) than anything Lee's put out, which are either given surprising auld lang syne (25th Hour) or ignored outright (nearly everything else in the last decade).

Big Lebowski might be the Coens' best movie, but I don't see it being their most complex or, more to it, having even a fraction of the complexity/contradiction of A.I.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

the worst is futurizing stuff that doesn't make any sense, like in AI... in the future cars will only need THREE wheels!

Fritz Lang did a lot of stupid stuff too. Doesn't change the fact that he's among the three or five best directors ever.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

when will people realize that big lebowski really isn't all that

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

bamboozled was ignored?

― 3, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

anyway complexity & contradiction are not inherently good traits! the mechanics of the holocaust were complex and contradctory!!

― 3, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

lebowski is still really, really funny

― 6, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

so is fargo!

― 6, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I bet this thread could go on for 2000 posts before ppl would discuss "Amistad" since it doesn't fit their idea of 'typical Spielberg' re milieu or themes.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

or maybe because nobody saw it

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link

it was aight

― 3, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't see it. White man makes movie about slavery = me not being interested.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

you are an idiot

― 5, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

(altho thankfully he didn't - to my knowledge - cast any white guys in lead roles as redeemers, saviors, etc. See "Mississippi Burning" and pretty much every other Hollywood film about black people and/or civil rights movement, slavery, etc.)

x-post

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, I didn't say that Lebowski was all that, just that it was probably the Coens' best film.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link

you think? i dunno, i think it's got too much totally weak shit in it to really qualify as best...

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Lebowski is funny, but honestly I have more trouble sitting through that than any of their previous films. I think their best is actually Hudsucker Proxy. Or Miller's Crossing. Gay gangster subtext pwnz.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

my favorite Coen film is O Brother Where Art Thou? but maybe i'm just nuts

― gear (gear), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

honestly for me lebowski was their last gasp, everything after it i totally fucking hate

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I could only bring myself to see The Man Who Wasn't There and fuck all those film school kids who crowed about it, that was some dull, bad shit.

― gear (gear), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

so bad!! more like the MOVIE that wasn't there right right?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

are "film school kids" supposed to be the corny indie fux of movie fandom or something??

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

"honestly for me lebowski was their last gasp, everything after it i totally fucking hate "

OTM. its been pretty much drivel ever since. tho O Brother has its moments (I enjoy Clooney's Clark Gable impression)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I have decided that when Aimless or Gear refer to "film school kids" they are talking about Shakey Mo and Morbius, since those are the people on this thread I would most like to see referred to derisively. Semantics in the eye of the reader.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I know this film school kid whose oft-recited top ten reads like the most predictable canon ever assembled. "Godfather, Taxi Driver, Searchers, Vertigo blah blah blah..."

the only good bit about TMWWT was Tony Shaloub.

― gear (gear), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:01 (eighteen years ago) link

only thing I hate more than informed film snobs are uninformed ones, who shall never deviate from the AFI lists or Tarantino/Kevin Smith films!

― gear (gear), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link

i.e. most everyone I went to film school with (though admittedly they might be even worse, as I recall one time before class when everyone gushed about how awesome Clay Pigeons was)

― gear (gear), Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

can we turn this into a tony shaloub thread

― 3, Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I have to admit when I walked into a coworker's friend's basement home theater room and he demonstrated his $4000 setup for us with Blade, referring to it unironically as the greatest film of all time, I probably overestimated his personality and strength of character.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

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