zodiac was not that good ..... the first half, maybe
― dmr, Thursday, 17 January 2008 19:53 (sixteen years ago) link
i dont like pt anderson but i wanna see there will be blood
― and what, Thursday, 17 January 2008 19:54 (sixteen years ago) link
To be fair zodiac is maybe only >>> no country for old men.
― Alex in SF, Thursday, 17 January 2008 19:54 (sixteen years ago) link
and what and Alex OTM
and No Country was really good but come on it was totally morbid and sadistic
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 17 January 2008 19:55 (sixteen years ago) link
twbb >>>> zodiac (which i liked a lot) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no country for old men (which is doomed to mediocrity by coens' unimaginative fidelity to mediocre source material)
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 17 January 2008 19:55 (sixteen years ago) link
and i love tommy lee jones that was one phoned-in cranky-old-sheriff routine.
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 17 January 2008 19:56 (sixteen years ago) link
BUT that was one, i mean
yeah don't let PT hate stop you, it's not like any of his previous movies
― dmr, Thursday, 17 January 2008 19:56 (sixteen years ago) link
Maybe it's a mediocre book, but I think it works really well cinematically. I can't imagine what you would want to change.
― Alex in SF, Thursday, 17 January 2008 19:57 (sixteen years ago) link
but what if I hate PTA and DDL both
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 17 January 2008 19:57 (sixteen years ago) link
boys lovin' morbid and sadistic
The Wind That Shakes the Barley >>>>>>> Zodiac = TWBB
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 17 January 2008 19:57 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't think TLJ's performance was any more phoned in than DDL's frankly (if we are talking about performances these guys can do in their sleep.)
― Alex in SF, Thursday, 17 January 2008 19:58 (sixteen years ago) link
these were my three favourite movies of the year. i tied them at #1.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 19:59 (sixteen years ago) link
Zodiac >> The Wind That Shakes the Barley > No Country for Old Men >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TWBB
― Alex in SF, Thursday, 17 January 2008 19:59 (sixteen years ago) link
the wind that shakes the barley was good but a little too earnest and on the nose for me.
I can't imagine what you would want to change.
caring what happens at any point to anyone?
xpost: disagree completely about tlj vs. ddl, i think ddl's been working on that performance for years and finally got to do it. (butcher bill was about halfway there.)
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 17 January 2008 19:59 (sixteen years ago) link
enough with the fuckin triangular brackets already.
^^^^^^
― omar little, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:05 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean i guess the point of no country is to do with fate and the persistence of evil in the world and the morally compromised nature of human existence and all that stuff mccarthy has done better in other books, but the story is really problematic. people do stupid shit all the way through it, and we're supposed to buy their bad ends as "fate"? i think mccarthy only committed to the genre halfway, he didn't let himself go all the way pulp, which leaves it as kind of po-faced pulp, just self-aware enough to be ineffectual. coens made the same mistake, even though they didn't have to -- they could have taken the ridiculous story and had fun with it. (i think the reason the road is a better book than no country is that mccarthy really does commit to the post-apocalyptic thing and for the most part does not clutter it with rumination. that will probably make it a better movie too, although probably armond white won't think so.)
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:05 (sixteen years ago) link
the wind that shakes the barley was about as good as the best of the irish troubles flicks. reminded me of 'soldier of orange' for some reason. still not as good as zodiac or no country for old men (which is awesomely directed and acted if nothing else).
― omar little, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:08 (sixteen years ago) link
Armond taking Woody Allen, Dargis and AO Scott to the woodshed this week is funny stuff.
http://www.nypress.com/21/3/film/ArmondWhite.cfm
gimme Loach "earnestness" any day if you feel the cost of bloodletting in your throat.
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:13 (sixteen years ago) link
i can understand the comparisons between there will be blood and no country, but i don't get exactly where zodiac ties into the equation. is the uniting thought that they are longish, auteurish pictures by established directors, primarily about crime in america?
― remy bean, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:14 (sixteen years ago) link
i liked no country but i like it less & less the more i think about it
― and what, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:15 (sixteen years ago) link
while i loved zodiac and love it more & more every day
^^^^^^ >>>>>>>> (>>>>>>>) ?
― dmr, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:16 (sixteen years ago) link
i like all three of them more and more with every lovely day.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:16 (sixteen years ago) link
but with no country... im not that concerned with figuring out what it means, or what the moral is... i think the meaning is kinda beyond that
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:17 (sixteen years ago) link
Cassandra’s Dream isn’t prophecy, it’s decadence.
wtf does this even mean
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link
agreed, slocks.
the thing i liked the least about zodiac (the uselessness of the rdj character) seems less and less offensive to me every day.
― remy bean, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link
-- tipsy mothra, Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:55 PM
u mad doggie
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link
so mad
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:19 (sixteen years ago) link
i just love that the characters never meet and you barely even notice that.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:19 (sixteen years ago) link
man he really stuck it to dargis and scott there!!
― omar little, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:21 (sixteen years ago) link
The Wind That Shakes The Barley was just okay, but I'll definitely take it over No Country and (most especially) Zodiac.
― milo z, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:21 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean i really liked wind shakes but i cant say i loved it. maybe i just cant fully commit to any kind of art that has no sense of humour whatsoever.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:24 (sixteen years ago) link
Imagine a world where every ILE film thread turns into a debate about the relative merits of Bamako, Offside and Away from Her.
I've only read NCfOM, but it didn't impress me as being solely about fate. I have no problem with genre pieces where people do stupid shit, especially in Texas.
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:27 (sixteen years ago) link
you should see it morbz. and on the big screen.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:28 (sixteen years ago) link
offside rules though but you know that.
no country is ok, competently handled, i didn't hate it. but it's the 5th-best mccarthy book i've read and the, what, 4th- or 5th-best coen film i can think of. its acclaim really does mystify me, but so do lots of things.
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:54 (sixteen years ago) link
(coen movies i like better: fargo, blood simple, raising arizona, the ladykillers) (ok kidding about the ladykillers. but not kidding about the big lebowski.)
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:56 (sixteen years ago) link
i just cant fully commit to any kind of art that has no sense of humour whatsoever.
-- s1ocki, Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:24 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
otm
― gbx, Thursday, 17 January 2008 20:56 (sixteen years ago) link
THE LADYKILLERS?!?!?
You are mad.
― Alex in SF, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:02 (sixteen years ago) link
xp: yeah, Cillian Murphy shoulda been braying about milkshakes just before he was executed. Instant hype and Oscar noms to follow.
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:03 (sixteen years ago) link
(ladykillers was a joke)
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:05 (sixteen years ago) link
you know that's not what i mean.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:05 (sixteen years ago) link
wind shakes was so... "DO YOU SEE? GET IT?? IRAQ MUCH??"
spoilers, yo
― omar little, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:05 (sixteen years ago) link
"wind shakes was so... "DO YOU SEE? GET IT?? IRAQ MUCH??""
I neither saw or cared much about that parallel.
― Alex in SF, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:06 (sixteen years ago) link
at the end when it cuts straight to black and the "IRAQ MUCH?" title card comes up... chills.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 17 January 2008 21:07 (sixteen years ago) link
anyway like i said i did like it a lot... but loved it? think it was GREAT? not really.