2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

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There is even a daily newspaper—the Washington Times—published strictly for the movement’s benefit, a propaganda sheet whose distortions are so obvious and so alien that it puts one in mind of those official party organs one encounters when traveling in authoritarian countries.

http://harpers.org/archive/2008/08/0082132

Mordy, Friday, 10 October 2008 03:38 (fifteen years ago) link

nate five thre eight suggests the ayers chant may be showing up in the polls:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/ayers-attacks-piquing-curiosity-but.html

...but the effect is somewhere between non-trivial and basically insignificant. plus to make it really stick they'd have to repeat it and repeat it to the point where they'd look more boring/insane than they already do. plus it seems the more people see obama the more they like him. mccain, not so much, so...

Obama's best strategy may simply be to appear before a national audience as frequently as possible, as voters have always almost reacted favorably to Obama when he has had such opportunities. Obama's favorables ticked upward in all three trackers in today's release, suggesting that his strong performance in Tuesday night's debate may cancel out or exceed any traction that McCain had been able to make on Ayers. This may also be the impetus behind Obama's decision today to make a 30-minute, prime time ad buy in the week before the election, as candidates have few opportunities to reach a mass audience once the final debate has come and gone. If it so desired, the Obama campaign could probably also drive a decent amount of attention to the Keating Five, as the traffic metrics on the story essentially matched that of Ayers for the 48 hours or so that Chicago was pushing it.

aside from my basic level of political worry, i am officially Not Worried about bill ayers.

goole, Friday, 10 October 2008 03:39 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm more worried about:
a) Mass election fraud
b) Obama being much more centrist than leftist
or
c) A militant rightwing response to victory

Than I am about Obama losing this election fairly.

Mordy, Friday, 10 October 2008 03:40 (fifteen years ago) link

LOLOLOLOL at Palin grade transcript and SAT scores. Most of the people at her rallies probably did better than that.

jane hussein lane (suzy), Friday, 10 October 2008 05:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Palin clears Palin in Troopergate probe

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=5990499

clotpoll, Friday, 10 October 2008 05:40 (fifteen years ago) link

here's the washington times story. it's the same as the ny post story, and no kind of scandal. basically obama suggested that iraq might want to not strike some long-term deal with a lame-duck administration, they said, yeah we get it, the next administration will have a free hand to reopen the deal. horrors.

tipsy mothra, Friday, 10 October 2008 05:51 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, this isn't an issue. He is a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. As far I understand it, it was well within his jurisdiction as a Senator to have the discussion he had.

Of course, that doesn't mean NRO won't try to make it an issue.

Mordy, Friday, 10 October 2008 05:58 (fifteen years ago) link

This video Jonah posted (showing the formation of a fetus in its first 24 hours) will certainly keep people from getting abortions! Look - you can see it's fingernails. All twelve thousand of them moving around!!

Mordy, Friday, 10 October 2008 06:01 (fifteen years ago) link

Kerm, Friday, 10 October 2008 06:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh and this 30 minute Obama airtime buy on Oct 29? Anniversary of Great Crash, anyone?

That One clearly got an A in American History.

jane hussein lane (suzy), Friday, 10 October 2008 08:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Ha, good spot! (meant in two ways)

anatol_merklich, Friday, 10 October 2008 08:20 (fifteen years ago) link

Pretty much every major Obama move is coordinated with a relevant This Day In History, seeing as those who forget doomed to repeat etc. Something the rest of us who pulled straight A's in history (if maybe not in love) have been inordinately chuckling about for the whole campaign. Inauguration Day this year coincides with a certain national public holiday in a very Oh Snap way.

I would like to do a McCain pumpkin for Halloween, since my first best idea of Julian Opie doing a McCain portrait a la Fairey with WTF?LOL! does not seem to have been taken up.

jane hussein lane (suzy), Friday, 10 October 2008 08:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Inauguration Day this year coincides with a certain national public holiday in a very Oh Snap way.

You mean MLK day? Or you mean FDR's second inauguration? :P Cause the second seems more auspicious to me.

Mordy, Friday, 10 October 2008 08:32 (fifteen years ago) link

MLK is Oh Snap specifically because McCain and other racists voted against. I'll get back to you with ways McCain could be Landon Regurgitated but I could be some time.

jane hussein lane (suzy), Friday, 10 October 2008 08:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Apropos of guilt-by-a-few-steps-of-separation etc, was this posted here yet?

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/10/07/palins_unamerican/

The planned 1993 speech to the United Nations of Joe Vogler of the Alaska Independence Party was sponsored by Iran...

anatol_merklich, Friday, 10 October 2008 08:55 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.topcosales.us/_images/products/0231-7_lg.jpg

topcosales.us:

This Is not Sarah Palin Inflatable Love Doll

• Sarah Palin makes sexism sexy
• Cross party lines with your own inflatable running mate
• Three ways to do this doll: mouth, pussy or ass
• Give her a mouthful
• Blow her up and show her how you’re going to vote
• Let her pound your gavel over and over
• Bypass the Bush and have some MILF
• It’s time some male interns caused a scandal in the Capitol
• She’s the hottest thing to come out of Alaska in years

Ugh...

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 10 October 2008 10:15 (fifteen years ago) link

I thought only elderly gold prospectors in old movies said doggonit.

Nicole, Friday, 10 October 2008 12:30 (fifteen years ago) link

What time are they going to release the real Troopergate findings? Anticipation of this event (and scoffing at the exoneration the McCain/Palin camp has given her in its own fake report) was all over the British news.

jane hussein lane (suzy), Friday, 10 October 2008 12:37 (fifteen years ago) link

No worries: Palin exonerates herself.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 10 October 2008 13:11 (fifteen years ago) link

guys, obama is nefariously colluding with African leaders or some shit, and there is EMAIL PROOF

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images/misc/ObamaLipperone.jpg

that's right -- RAILAODI✧✧✧@YA✧✧✧.C✧✧

playing the abortion card (elmo argonaut), Friday, 10 October 2008 13:57 (fifteen years ago) link

raila odinga at yahoo dot com

DO YOU SEE

playing the abortion card (elmo argonaut), Friday, 10 October 2008 13:58 (fifteen years ago) link

do you see how Obama tells Odinga how to set up secret channels of correspondence through Mark Lippert, and how... how Obama replies... Obama replies and thanks Odinga and gives him Lippert's email address... so... wait.

Wait a minute.

This doesn't any fucking sense.

playing the abortion card (elmo argonaut), Friday, 10 October 2008 14:03 (fifteen years ago) link

This video Jonah posted (showing the formation of a fetus in its first 24 hours) will certainly keep people from getting abortions! Look - you can see it's fingernails. All twelve thousand of them moving around!!

hahah really? -- if you click through, that video is of a FISH EMBRYO!

Kramkoob (Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃), Friday, 10 October 2008 14:32 (fifteen years ago) link

Letter to the NYT from the guy who actually led prosecution the Weathermen:

Re “Politics of Attack” (editorial, Oct. 8) and “Obama and ’60s Bomber: A Look Into Crossed Paths” (front page, Oct. 4):

As the lead federal prosecutor of the Weathermen in the 1970s (I was then chief of the criminal division in the Eastern District of Michigan and took over the Weathermen prosecution in 1972), I am amazed and outraged that Senator Barack Obama is being linked to William Ayers’s terrorist activities 40 years ago when Mr. Obama was, as he has noted, just a child.

Although I dearly wanted to obtain convictions against all the Weathermen, including Bill Ayers, I am very pleased to learn that he has become a responsible citizen.

Because Senator Obama recently served on a board of a charitable organization with Mr. Ayers cannot possibly link the senator to acts perpetrated by Mr. Ayers so many years ago.

I do take issue with the statement in your news article that the Weathermen indictment was dismissed because of “prosecutorial misconduct.” It was dismissed because of illegal activities, including wiretaps, break-ins and mail interceptions, initiated by John N. Mitchell, attorney general at that time, and W. Mark Felt, an F.B.I. assistant director.

William C. Ibershof

Mill Valley, Calif., Oct. 8, 2008

Lolcats ate mah baby! (kingfish), Friday, 10 October 2008 15:22 (fifteen years ago) link

oh deep throat

David R., Friday, 10 October 2008 15:24 (fifteen years ago) link

paws

David R., Friday, 10 October 2008 15:24 (fifteen years ago) link

During a stop in Grand Rapids on Thursday, Lincoln Chafee, a former Republican U.S. senator from Rhode Island, said he's voting for Obama and urging others to do likewise.

Lolcats ate mah baby! (kingfish), Friday, 10 October 2008 15:24 (fifteen years ago) link

I was just coming here to post that, Kingfish. As this blogger puts it:

Got that? The indictment of Weathermen failed because of illegal wiretaps and other corrupt behavior on the part of a Republican administration.

(And for those of you who remember your history, W. Mark Felt is none other than Deep Throat which, since he colluded in this illegal activity, should give you some indication of how seriously lawless Nixon was that he agreed to become the Watergate whistleblower.)

Dow 30,000 by 2008 (Pancakes Hackman), Friday, 10 October 2008 15:26 (fifteen years ago) link

"Rally supporters urge McCain to get more aggressive with Obama"
(To put it mildly...)

"Terrorist!” one man screamed Monday at a New Mexico rally after McCain voiced the campaign’s new rhetorical staple aimed at raising doubts about the Illinois senator: “Who is the real Barack Obama?”

"He's a damn liar!” yelled a woman Wednesday in Pennsylvania. "Get him. He's bad for our country."

At both stops, there were cries of, “Nobama,” picking up on a phrase that has appeared on yard signs, T-shirts and bumper stickers.

And Thursday, at a campaign town hall in Wisconsin, one Republican brought the crowd to its feet when he used his turn at the microphone to offer a soliloquy so impassioned it made the network news and earned extended play on Rush Limbaugh’s program.

“I’m mad; I’m really mad!” the voter bellowed. “And what’s going to surprise ya, is it’s not the economy — it’s the socialists taking over our country.”

After the crowd settled down he was back at it. “When you have an Obama, Pelosi and the rest of the hooligans up there gonna run this country, we gotta have our head examined!”

...

John Weaver, McCain’s former top strategist, said top Republicans have a responsibility to temper this behavior.

“People need to understand, for moral reasons and the protection of our civil society, the differences with Sen. Obama are ideological, based on clear differences on policy and a lack of experience compared to Sen. McCain,” Weaver said. “And from a purely practical political vantage point, please find me a swing voter, an undecided independent, or a torn female voter that finds an angry mob mentality attractive.

☑ (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 10 October 2008 15:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Hmm, we might get the culture wars back in things again here:

Breaking News 11:39 AM ET:
Connecticut State Supreme Court Overturns Ban on Same-Sex Marriage

Ned Raggett, Friday, 10 October 2008 15:40 (fifteen years ago) link

cultural war + economic thunderdomin' = maybe i should buy ammo

the valves of houston (gbx), Friday, 10 October 2008 15:44 (fifteen years ago) link

I'll get the scrap metal.

David R., Friday, 10 October 2008 15:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh my god socialism in America AND gay marriage too- this will be the best Christmas EVER!

Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Friday, 10 October 2008 15:58 (fifteen years ago) link

and the best war on Christmas yet!

Lolcats ate mah baby! (kingfish), Friday, 10 October 2008 16:22 (fifteen years ago) link

Betty White FTW:

jane hussein lane (suzy), Friday, 10 October 2008 16:24 (fifteen years ago) link

Christopher Buckley endorses Obama.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 10 October 2008 16:31 (fifteen years ago) link

During a stop in Grand Rapids on Thursday, Lincoln Chafee, a former Republican U.S. senator from Rhode Island, said he's voting for Obama and urging others to do likewise.

Chafee is RINO anyway (in fact, he isn't even a registered Republican now). he's more liberal than a fair number of democrats.

akm, Friday, 10 October 2008 16:52 (fifteen years ago) link

As someone who HATES doing the absentee ballot because I've always gotten satisfaction from nailing my vote at the voting booth itself, I'm already planning to do absentee voting once the ballots come this election. (Oct 15th in Washington state), because I'm sensing some scary shit planned to sabotage voting booths on Election Day itself all across the U.S. Moreso the battleground states.

But if the last decade taught me anything, the post office is a better catalyst for protecting my vote and has far stiffer punishment for would-be infiltrators than at a voting booth (relatively speaking)

obamaloverholeinyohead (Mackro Mackro), Friday, 10 October 2008 16:57 (fifteen years ago) link

betty white is a national treasure

M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 10 October 2008 17:02 (fifteen years ago) link

someone plz explain why the name of the palin porno isn't "drill baby drill"??

ILX MOD (musically), Friday, 10 October 2008 17:16 (fifteen years ago) link

Meanwhile Florida's Amendment 2 looks like it might pass.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 10 October 2008 17:20 (fifteen years ago) link

Fuck, those rally-attending republicans are scary and creepy.

Dan I., Friday, 10 October 2008 17:27 (fifteen years ago) link

good post on ubl's politics http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/guest-column-will-bin-laden-strike.html

joseph sixpack (ice crӕm), Friday, 10 October 2008 17:35 (fifteen years ago) link

apparently the new attack line on obama re: ayers that he is the victim of AMBITION. because john mccain is a total stranger to ambition. didn't even want to run for the office of president but did so because everyone begged him to. yes. precisely. AMBITION.

playing the abortion card (elmo argonaut), Friday, 10 October 2008 17:40 (fifteen years ago) link

Ha ha! Hearing a ticket with McCain and Palin on it talk about ambition is hilarious.

Michael White, Friday, 10 October 2008 17:47 (fifteen years ago) link

I thought republicans were supposed to be fans of ambition. Or is ambition in this context supposed to be a codeword for "ideas above his station"?

Nicole, Friday, 10 October 2008 17:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Meanwhile Florida's Amendment 2 looks like it might pass.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, October 10, 2008 12:20 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark

this sucks

kgb (J0rdan S.), Friday, 10 October 2008 18:15 (fifteen years ago) link


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