In Damnation of...Horses by Patti Smith

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Ahh, you should def. check out Mark Prindle's site then:
www.markprindle.com

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 15:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

alright, alright I got it. I'll check it out.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 15:45 (10 years ago) Permalink

I was in art school in NYC when it came out, and you can't imagine the impact. It was a record that everybody had to have an opinion about. (Of course, a lot of people hated it even then.) Coming after the Stooges and the Dolls, I don't know if it was quite as groundbreaking as it's said to be, but it sure felt that way at the time. I still love it, but every year it feels more idiosyncratic and less "classic." Kind of like a female Captain Beefheart.

Not that Chuck, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 17:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

>ps) Horses is also way better than any album that Sleater Kinney, Bjork, Tori Amos, Sinead Oconnor, or PJ Harvey ever did. So there.
So does that make Horses the best album recorded by someone with a vagina (or is there another connection between these artists that I am missing)? -- Alex in SF (clobberthesauru...), December 2nd, 2003.
I think it's just Chuck fighting the real enemy again, or something.<

Actually, I think all those artists were pretty clearly in Patti's lineage, and not just because they're women. But if it makes you any happier, *Horses* is *also* catchier, funnier, sexier, more rocking, and more memorable than any album that Tom Waits, Nick Cave, Radiohead, U2, REM, Pink Floyd, the Grateful Dead, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Pavement, Roy Orbison, Bob Marley, Tupac, Boogie Down Productions, Tribe Called Qwest, the Misfits, Iron Maiden, the Smiths, or Sisters of Fucking Mercy ever made. Okay?

chuck, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 18:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

No more horses horses

David Eugene Vinson (Gaughin), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 18:16 (10 years ago) Permalink

Well, now that you put it that way, *Agents of Fortune* IS probably the best album with Patti ON it. (And that came AFTER *Horses*, wow!)

chuck, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 18:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

From Metal Sludge's 20 Questions today with the drummer from Sum 41:

11. If you could put together the worst concert bill possible, what 5 bands would you put on it?
1.Jet
2.Journey
3.Patti Smith
4.Wham!
5.Glass Tiger


Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 18:56 (10 years ago) Permalink

Well jeez, everything's better than the Red Hot Chili Peppers!

Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 19:18 (10 years ago) Permalink

Damn, Chuck...at least go down to yr local Church of Rock and Roll and save yourself! Also, do 'bout a 1000 Louie Louie's.

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:27 (10 years ago) Permalink

Please let Sisters of Fucking Mercy be a tribute band that does "This Corrosion" in full-on latex fetish gear...

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:02 (10 years ago) Permalink

*Horses* is *also* catchier, funnier, sexier, more rocking, and more memorable than any album that Tom Waits, Nick Cave, Radiohead, U2, REM, Pink Floyd, the Grateful Dead, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Pavement, Roy Orbison, Bob Marley, Tupac, Boogie Down Productions, Tribe Called Qwest, the Misfits, Iron Maiden, the Smiths, or Sisters of Fucking Mercy ever made. Okay?


I can't help noticing you negelected to mention Kix, Chuck!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

Why would I do that, Alex? I've got integrity, for crissakes.

chuck, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

Heh. At the very least, you're consistent, Chuck. Salut!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'd agree except for the Low End Theory maybe. You gave up on Tribe after the debut, right Chuck?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

Look, Chuck, all those other bands on your list are all hotly debated here....but why go pickin' on poor Roy Orbison?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:21 (10 years ago) Permalink

I honestly can't stand Roy O's voice; there's something really un-grounded and, um, proto-Chris Isaak (or even proto Perry Farrel or proto guy in Blind Melon like) about the way he floats up to high notes. It's always sounded very unnatural to me (though obviously, I grant you that's just ME); I just don't get pleasure out of the guy.

And I never even heard a Tribe Called Qwest SONG I liked much, though honestly I haven't actually listed to *Low End Theory* in centuries. They always struck me as really prissy or contained or reserved or something. Is the debut the one I reviewed in Rolling Stone?

chuck, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

Hey David A.....calm thyself. I'm not organizing a goon squad that's going to go around house-to-house, confiscating copies of Horses, just so we can start a big bonfire, Kilroy Was Here-stylee. I just think the album in question (Patti's, not Styx's) is an undeservedly lionized bit of pompous schlock.

Ha, yeah, you couldn't have picked a better example if you'd wanted to wound me in my heart if you'd tried! That record had a massive impact on me. I'd even go as far as to utter (quietly) that cliché about lives being saved, etc. So, no wonder you picked up on my lack of calmness, heh. Subjective taste-driven outrage aside, the only part I really mean is the lionization thing -- it's unfair to blame the album for it, but life's unfair I suppose...

Anyway, in my world of one, it's unthinkable to like the Sisters but hate Horses, ha!

David A. (Davant), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

yeah you reviewed the debut. Oh and Red Hot Chili Peppers' "The Zephyr Song" is catchier, funnier, sexier, more rocking, and more memorable than anything from Horses (ok maybe not sexier depending on whether hearing Anthony Keidis say "supa-friendly aviator" is like a cold shower on yer nads). But it's on By The Way so you probably didn't hear it.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

prissy or contained or reserved
I think you're mistaking a band for their fans again. Though I haven't heard that debut so you might be right on that one.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:56 (10 years ago) Permalink

Anyway, in my world of one, it's unthinkable to like the Sisters but hate Horses, ha!

I see no correllation sound-wise between the Sisters of Mercy and Patti Smith (although Andrew does cite Horses on his list of favorite records on the official site. Then again, Andrew also cites a Stone Temple Pilots record, so go know.)

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

so why wasn't Horses in Stairway to Hell, then?

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

strangely enough, i've never heard this one. my first encounter w/ ms. smith was her shitty eighties "people have the power," which was lyrically hippy-bullshit (of the sort that zappa and fogerty would have made much fun of had it been around in the sixties) and musically big-eighties/U2-robbie robertson bombast. and i was so sickened that i never dug deeper.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:04 (10 years ago) Permalink

>>so why wasn't Horses in Stairway to Hell, then?<<

Because it's not as metal as *Radio Ethiopia*, probably. (But it's still better, and it still rocked harder. "Gloria" can do that to a record, you know? Even go ask Santa Esmeralda. Or Laura Branigan!)

chuck, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:07 (10 years ago) Permalink

Oh do lets leave Laura Branigan out of this!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

Hey Alex, did I ever tell you about my former brother in law Marvin the crazy chef? He used to SWEAR a riff in "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was stolen from Sisters of Mercy! (And Michael Freedberg says all the dark goth metal bands I love rip them off, too.) I used to like them okay myself; I just thought Red Lorry Yellow Lorry were more fun.

chuck, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

I see no correllation sound-wise between the Sisters of Mercy and Patti Smith

Nah, me neither (although you might arguably find more "gothic" in Easter). It was a failed joke at my own expense -- ie/ I like these two things, so how can anyone not?

(Interesting that AE cites Horses, though. I didn't know that.)

David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

the only correlation was that pissing in the river would make an excellent goth-rock song if done by a goth-rock band. type o negative should seriously consider it.

islandscott, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

A better album than Horses, by the way:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDCASS80311061622542118&sql=Aosj20r6at48x

Sorry, Alex!

(If the link doesn't work, just look up *The Best of Branigan* on AMG.)

chuck, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

He used to SWEAR a riff in "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was stolen from Sisters of Mercy!

Hmmmm. Hadn't heard that one. I always thought it was a rip-off of "More than a Feelin'".

(And Michael Freedberg says all the dark goth metal bands I love rip them off, too.)

Who is Michael Freedburg that he should be making such allegations?

I used to like them okay myself; I just thought Red Lorry Yellow Lorry were more fun.

Who got the notion that I have a Sisters of Mercy tatoo on my arm? I like them, but I wouldn't take a bullet for them or anything. They certainly made more than their share of dubious records. I like everything up to and including First and Last and Always. After that, s'alright, but the magic had largely dissipated for me. Floodland is pretty good. Apart from "Ribbons", most of Vision Thing is a phone-in.

Yeah, Red Lorry Yellow Lorry were cool (though not sure I'd categorically refer to them as "fun").

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

laura branigan was cute back then

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

laura branigan was cute back then

Well......cuter than Patti Smith, certainly.

Andrew Eldritch's favorite records....

http://www.the-sisters-of-mercy.com/gen/wwlike/listning/listning.htm#traxae

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

Tribe Called Qwest

Wait, it's Q-Tip's fault my phone bill's so fucking high?

nate detritus (natedetritus), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

>>And Michael Freedberg says all the dark goth metal bands I love rip them off, too.)
Who is Michael Freedburg that he should be making such allegations?<<

Best disco critic ever (tied with Vince Alleti, actually). Still writes for the Boston Phoenix. Likes Toby Keith's new album a LOT.

chuck, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

Likes Toby Keith's new album a LOT.

Hmmmm...well, there's no arguin' with him then.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:27 (10 years ago) Permalink

Sometimes I wonder what an instrumental Toby Keith record would be like.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

The sounds of a badger being forcibly grated through the strings of an acoustic guitar.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

sorry, alex, that sisters of mercy crack was my doing.didn't mean anything mean by it. i've always thought that even if someone hated patti smith they would have to like that song cuz it's so cool and doomy. and now i can't get a non-existent type o negative version out of my head.i like the sister's version of gimme shelter better than the original. all goth covers are cool.

scott seward, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

I like their version of "I Wanna Be Your Dog" better than Sonic Youth's!

chuck, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

"From Metal Sludge's 20 Questions today with the drummer from Sum 41:
11. If you could put together the worst concert bill possible, what 5 bands would you put on it?
1.Jet
2.Journey
3.Patti Smith
4.Wham!
5.Glass Tiger"

Bands 1-4 are all better than Sum 41. Never heard of 5.

billstevejim, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm really glad he put no. 5 on there! Dude's reaffirming his canuck roots!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:07 (10 years ago) Permalink

and Sum 41 is better than Glass Tiger (sorry, di). And the jury's still out on Jet for me.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:07 (10 years ago) Permalink

Jet? Not by much, but they win over Sum 41.

billstevejim, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

Never heard of 5.

"Dooooooon't for-gehht me when I'm gawwwwn..."

nate detritus (natedetritus), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:16 (10 years ago) Permalink

With guest vocals by BRYAN ADAMS!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

my friend Ned (NOT Raggett) saw the lead singer of Glass Tiger naked. He used to live in Canada and was at a swimming spa deal there and he got to talk to the guy in his birthday suit. If you've ever seen a Glass Tiger video you realize why I'm so glad I don't have that memory.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

Ned (NOT Raggett, the other Ned on my Friendster deal) was also 8 or something at the time.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

Your disclaimers are appreciated, as I was going to start wondering if I had repressed memories of being traumatized by Bryan Adams protegees appearing to me naked.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

Let me just say I love how a Patti Smith thread led to a discussion of nude Bryan Adams proteges by way of an interview with Sum 41's drummer on Metal Sludge.

ONLY ON ILX!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

well now, who wouldn't want to see these guys nekkid?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

Guy in the back on the left is The Hermes of Mullets. He's been sent as a messenger to tell everyone about them and flies about on winged sandals, and takes dead mullets to Hades.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:26 (10 years ago) Permalink


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