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Did anyone else catch the reference to the original Halicki Gone In 60 Seconds near the beginning of the film, with the shot of the cop car interior with a wide array of sunglasses on the dash? I lost my shit. And I couldn't stifle a laugh at the obviously-fake airplane and Tokyo skyline. Mad Toho love up in here!

Start collecting eurodisco 12-inches while you can still get 'em for $2 because that showdown scene between the Bride and O-Ren with that Santa Esmaralda track as the score is going to have nu-cratediggers glomming onto that shit like next-wave rare groove.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 11 October 2003 02:47 (twenty years ago) link

[uh. I spoiled some stuff. fuk.]

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 11 October 2003 02:48 (twenty years ago) link

Let's turn this thread into influence train-spotting. I saw Sword of Doom when the screen went black and white towards the beginning of the Crazy 88 fight!

― Dan I., Saturday, 11 October 2003 04:40 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.princeton.edu/pr/pwb/00/1113/m/1a.jpg

― Dada, Saturday, 11 October 2003 04:41 (twenty years ago) link

I just saw it and thought it was mighty fun. Agree that the Okinawa sequence is perhaps too long, but in general I admire Tarantino's pacing, letting scenes breathe. This is something I couldn't get used to the first time I saw Jackie Brown but liked immensely the second time.

Like everyone else, I groaned when I first heard this was going to be in two parts, but now it seems to make sense. I couldn't imagine sitting through the Daryl Hannah and Michael Madsen sequences after all the House of Blue Leaves craziness. Even if it had been edited more judiciously, I have a feeling the linearity of the plot would've made me restless at a certain point.

Disappointed that the RZA's score was fairly minimal -- in fact, I had a hard time discerning what was actually original music.

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 11 October 2003 05:04 (twenty years ago) link

The Okinawa sequence was good though! The scene at the bar between Chiba and his assistent or whatever was like the best non-action part of the whole movie.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 11 October 2003 05:23 (twenty years ago) link

Oh yeah I liked that part. Maybe upstairs in the sword room, then?

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 11 October 2003 05:26 (twenty years ago) link

i liked it a lot! it was really fun. i kept thinking of oliver stone for some reason. that comic booky/natural born killers/heightened/operatic/bloody/black and white/animation/cameras everywhere kinda feel, i guess. i suppose it would be too easy to call critics of kill bill fun-haters, huh? i can't help but feel that american critics are toothless grandmas what with that whole "it's the most violent/bloodiest movie ever" tag it gave the film. it's not either of those things. but it's still really good anyway.

― scott seward, Saturday, 11 October 2003 10:36 (twenty years ago) link

It might not be the most violent movie ever, but it has the best product placement ever:

http://theimaginaryworld.com/box722.jpg

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 11 October 2003 14:06 (twenty years ago) link

Anyone here in London up for a mass get-together to see it some time next week, maybe?

― Martin Skidmore (actually Ned posting via Martin's account) (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 11 October 2003 14:15 (twenty years ago) link

The airplane-over-Tokyo sequence was amazing. Actually, from then on in the movie was pretty much unstoppable, but especially the whole Tokyo intro, all the airplane and motorcycle stuff, just beautiful.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 11 October 2003 14:32 (twenty years ago) link

the movie is dumber than i anticipted. no way in hell im going to see the second one. thank god i saw the shit for free.

― pepsiisgood, Saturday, 11 October 2003 14:37 (twenty years ago) link

except for the first sequence with vivica a fox, I didn't think it was as violent as I was led to believe; the "big scene" at the end was in black and white which really took the edge off that. it was fun, probably my least favorite tarantino film but then I don't feel like I've seen the whole thing yet.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Saturday, 11 October 2003 14:42 (twenty years ago) link

I'm liking it more the longer I think about it. I don't particularly care what happens in the next instalment as far as the "cliffhanger" goes, as long as it comes up with some other ideas. Uma wasn't as hard to take as I thought she would be. I agree with s1utsky on the plane sequence-loved it. However, the Sonny Chiba sequence totally dragged and got on my nerves, and could have been about three minutes, really. Another reservation would be that all Tarantino movies have to have the "I'm a bad ass motherfucker speech" which is usually just the same speech with a few different phrases dropped in (see Lucy Liu & Vivica Fox here). Some of the music (especially during the House of Blue Leaves scene) was excellent.

Quentin drives the Pussy Wagon now.

― adaml (adaml), Saturday, 11 October 2003 15:13 (twenty years ago) link

Wouldn't it be more fun if we all donned Victorian garb and debated vivisection?

― Aimless, Saturday, 11 October 2003 15:19 (twenty years ago) link

everyone who sez the 2 part thing is a scam = otm [furthermore unless the script has been overhauled since the draft i read, the second half will be a very dull & annoying stand-alone] but i liked it.

also the garden behind the House Of Blue Leaves is one of the most beautifully designed + lit sets of all time.

― jones (actual), Saturday, 11 October 2003 15:43 (twenty years ago) link

I read that the second part will shift from Vol 1's blaxploitation (Fox=Pam Grier) and Hong Kong/Kurosawa nods to Italian horror movies and spaghetti westerns. That might be a startling transition, but I bet it'll play out really well when the whole thing is released as one film on DVD.

Also, I hope they release a special edition DVD that comes with a free "PUSSY WAGON" keychain.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 11 October 2003 15:56 (twenty years ago) link

they will but the free keychain will be sold seperately

― jones (actual), Saturday, 11 October 2003 16:02 (twenty years ago) link

I didn't quite get the fact that each of the victims would be disposed of in a sequence paying homage to a new film genre, so this kind of interests me. Make mine giallo!

― Sean (Sean), Saturday, 11 October 2003 18:53 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, I was just realizing that too! It's pretty clear that Budd = (spag) westerns, but will Elle Driver and Bill each correspond to a specific genre?

― Dan I., Saturday, 11 October 2003 18:59 (twenty years ago) link

The B&W thing was a little inexplicable.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 11 October 2003 19:24 (twenty years ago) link

Really outstanding.
I've been so sick of kitchy kung fu in movies but the violence in Kill Bill was surprising, inspired malevolence. The whole thing was somwhere between po-mo fantasy and genre myth making. I was intitially dissapointed to hear about the movie being split in two but I thought Volume One worked well enough as a self contained piece that far too much is being made of the distribution plan. It dependsom if you're a fan of Tarentino or not, I've only come around fairly recently in appreciating his work, but to me Kill Bill is just as worth of respect as Pulp Ficiton.

― theodore fogelsanger, Saturday, 11 October 2003 19:31 (twenty years ago) link

Nate the Cynic: "I bet they changed it to black and white because the blood and the SFX looked too unconvincing in color"

Nate the Dork: "HOLY FUCKING SHIT HE'S BRINGING IT RAGING BULL STYLE"

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 11 October 2003 19:32 (twenty years ago) link

S1utsky: "meh"

― s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 11 October 2003 19:45 (twenty years ago) link

but then a couple seconds later with the silhouette scene:

S1utsky: "yeh"

― s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 11 October 2003 19:45 (twenty years ago) link

I hate it when you try to post something and it fucks up and you lose your whole post.

hey that black and white part was obviously that Sword of Doom reference I was talking about it isn't inexplicable !@#$#@!$@

I just heard that there's like an "easter egg" after the end credits, so now I'm pissed I didn't stay for them. Did anyone see it? Could you descibe it to me?

― Dan I., Saturday, 11 October 2003 19:55 (twenty years ago) link

THAT SILHOUETTE SCENE WAS FUCKING INCREDIBLE TO ME.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 11 October 2003 19:56 (twenty years ago) link

i was thinking that perhaps the black and white was for an R rating. (honestly tho it hardly seemed more violent than a monty python skit at that point)

what genre was the vernita green scene supposed to represent?

― ryan (ryan), Saturday, 11 October 2003 19:58 (twenty years ago) link

Ryan, my friend made the same point (about ratings), but then jones said it was in the original script. I don't know what to believe anymore.

Dan: yeah, how great was that!

― s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 11 October 2003 20:05 (twenty years ago) link

Okay, I guess it turns out that the "easter egg" was a misunderstanding cause in the version that they originally showed the critics they had the airplane scene at the end after the credits, but now of course it isn't. So nevermind...

― Dan I., Saturday, 11 October 2003 20:09 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, and in case anyone's interested, here's an early version of the script. A lot of it has been changed, obviously, but a lot of it is also the same. Obviously this would completely SPOIL it for you, so don't read these SPOILERS if you don't want to know what's basically going to happen (I mean, besides the stuff that we already know will basically happen).

here: http://www.bol.ucla.edu/~alexward/script.htm

― Dan I., Saturday, 11 October 2003 20:24 (twenty years ago) link

Actually let me just post one tiny little non-spoily excerpt from that that relates directly to what we were talking about earlier: "This could be the opening shot of a Texas zombie movie."

― Dan I., Saturday, 11 October 2003 20:35 (twenty years ago) link

OMG, I somehow forgot about the silhouette scene. Amazement seconded, and thirded. Did the first shot of that sequence briefly remind anyone else of Prince's video for "Kiss", or am I just nuts?

― adaml (adaml), Saturday, 11 October 2003 20:46 (twenty years ago) link

Big meh. I'm disappointed. How many times is an otherwise well-choreographed fight ruined by overmanaging editor? GOOD ACTION NEEDS CONTINUITY.

― Leee (Leee), Saturday, 11 October 2003 20:54 (twenty years ago) link

Thanks adam! I knew it reminded me of some music video, but I couldn't remember which one.

― Dan I., Saturday, 11 October 2003 21:14 (twenty years ago) link

what genre was the vernita green scene supposed to represent?

Pam Grier blaxploitation, supposedly (though I am disappointed with the lack of razors hidden in her hair)

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 11 October 2003 22:05 (twenty years ago) link

Uma & Daryl Hannah had cool hair.

movie is worth seeing, but not the greatest that was released this year.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 12 October 2003 00:02 (twenty years ago) link

Okay, this is really geeky of me but:

Bud = Zombie
Elle = Western
Bill = "suspense" of all things.

Sorry.

― Dan I., Sunday, 12 October 2003 01:04 (twenty years ago) link

Saw it last night. Wife and I both loved it. My wife is Japanese and she giggled through most of the Japanese language scenes because the acting was so hammy (in her words). It's basically an over-the-top, funny, violent comic book movie - if you believe that "funny" and "violent" can coexist. If not, avoid. My fave stuff, though:

1) GO-GO! She steals the movie, IMHO, and her duel scene with The Bride is the highlight of the final big fight sequence.

2) The rockin' handclap/kick/synth(?) track that played as the anime O-ren Ishii was rooftop sniping. If this is a RZA track I just want an entire cd of this type of shit. If it's not RZA -- who is it?

: related note : I was surprised at the non-Wuness of the incidental music. Really simple yet suspenseful use of sounds with nary an MPC beat in sight.And that Morricone music *swoon*!

3) The orange skies fake ass airplane scenes.

Good movie. Can't wait to see it again.

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Sunday, 12 October 2003 14:27 (twenty years ago) link

I don't think there was any Morricone music. You might be thinking of Bernard Herrmann ("Twisted Nerve" -- the one with all the whistling) or Luis Bacalov (Bacalov:Morricone::Gap Band:Parliament).

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 12 October 2003 14:52 (twenty years ago) link

I walked past the Empire LS on Friday eve, and there were lots of ladies outside the 'Kill Bill' opening night also dressed up in yellow tracksuits - it was one of the greatest things I've ever seen

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Sunday, 12 October 2003 15:06 (twenty years ago) link

Gogo was played by the chick who did Chigusa in Battle Royale

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 12 October 2003 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

Wouldn't it be nice if, in the year of 'shock and awe', an American director made a film which wasn't 'the most violent movie ever' or 'the ultimate film violence desensitizer'?

I will chop up violent people with a machete or bang their heads repeatedly in a door.

― Momus (Momus), Sunday, 12 October 2003 18:58 (twenty years ago) link

(I stayed for the music credits. There was one Morricone track -- but much more Bacalov.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 12 October 2003 19:25 (twenty years ago) link

Oh. I was just going by the soundtrack, and if there was a Morricone song listed in the credits, I was too busy going "OH SHIT YES, BIXIO-FRIZZI-TEMPERA*" to notice.

*those who own Beretta 70 will understand my dorkery.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 12 October 2003 19:40 (twenty years ago) link

Wouldn't it be nice if, in the year of 'shock and awe', an American director made a film which wasn't 'the most violent movie ever' or 'the
ultimate film violence desensitizer'?

but its the only thing the world still loves us for! well, that and our pizza pies. and our, how you say, yankee doodle mutherfucker cheeseburgers.

― scott seward, Sunday, 12 October 2003 19:50 (twenty years ago) link

yankee doodle mutherfucker cheeseburgers

That sounds like the best Applebee's menu item ever. Eatin' good in the neighborhood!

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 12 October 2003 19:58 (twenty years ago) link

"Wouldn't it be nice if, in the year of 'shock and awe', an American director made a film which wasn't 'the most violent movie ever' or 'the
ultimate film violence desensitizer'?"
This reminds me of an interview with Iranian director Abbas Kairostami on the dvd for "Taste of Cherry," He talks briefly about being on a film festvial panel with Tarentino. Kairostami apparently appreciated Tarentino's films above most violent American entertainment because the director "removes the tension from violence."
Tarentino's film sets a new standard for cinema violence during an actually violent cultural politcal era but isn't their something to the idea that since his film is also a richly plotted revenge tragedy, we're being asked to laugh at the absurd circularity of back and forth combat? It seems like there's plenty of American films that ignore the bloodiness of the world.

― Theodore Fogelsanger, Sunday, 12 October 2003 20:13 (twenty years ago) link

David Thomson on that very subject here: http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/film/features/story.jsp?story=451658

For what it's worth when I went to see it for a second time today (to sort out my conflicting thoughts on it) two jackasses brough their 10-12 year old sons and i thought that was pretty horrifying. I doubt they can appreciate the irony of the violence.

― ryan (ryan), Sunday, 12 October 2003 21:07 (twenty years ago) link

i doubt that i could appreciate the irony of all those steve mcqueen, charles bronson, and clint eastwood movies that my dad took me to when i was 10-12. oh wait, there wasn't any irony. i know i had a hard time trying to figure out richard pryor's vibrator routine when my dad took me to see his first concert movie when i was a kiddie.

fyi to momus-kill bill has a great eyepatch scene.

― scott seward, Sunday, 12 October 2003 21:22 (twenty years ago) link

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