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"dread" is it; after that this band has no need to justify their existence to _anyone_.

the self-titled and "fuck pete larsen" releases are also pretty tasty, i can't wait to hear "slicer." as for the american tapes stuff...inessential, but some of it is interesting, like the "black rat floods" and "dead mills" collections of clanky ghost factory concrete. sort of like the black dice/wolf eyes things amtapes released, actually.

your null fame (yournullfame), Friday, 18 October 2002 04:25 (twenty-one years ago) link


agreed on the dread and fuck pete larsen stuff. i dig the split with crack too.

i could understand why folks might not like this. expecting an oreo cookie, but getting cocoa, sugar, flour, and lard. it's like rock on it's side, with a beat.

m.

msp, Friday, 18 October 2002 05:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wolf Eyes carve away the meat.If you cant throb like Throbbing Gristle, don't bother.(ie: I likem lots) Great live, but I think I'd be more into seeing Violent Ramp. Skate or die

brg30 (brg30), Friday, 18 October 2002 13:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

They are a mixed bag live. Opening for Sonic Youth recently and for Bobby Conn last year (?) they were great, powerful noisy stuff. The two other times I saw them they seemed a little directionless and were boring. And besides, the one time they had to play after the Animal Collective at a gallery in Detroit and they couldn't come anywhere near the genius of those guys that night. Seen them in various solo set-ups and it was mixed as well.

Jeff Sumner, Friday, 18 October 2002 15:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

and the total geek in me can't help but mention that 7,000,000 ^2 is 49,000,000,000,000 .... 49 trillion?

probably more people than there ever existed.

oh i'm a geek,
m.

msp, Friday, 18 October 2002 15:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

With The Locust and Arab on Radar, they were really good live. I can see how some people would get bored, but that kind of stuff keeps my attention.

A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 18 October 2002 15:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

I picked up the split 12" with Andrew WK today--found it cheap at a local shop and heard it was out of print, so I figured I'd snatch it up. Not bad stuff at all. Some of it sounds a little tame, and I haven't really sat down and analyzed the lyrics yet...

But it makes me want to pick up more. Probably the "Dread" CD or the "Fuck Pete Larsen" LP since I've seen both of those around and mailorder is a hassle sometimes.

Can anyone tell me what exactly is on the "FPL" LP? I've heard that it's a compilation but what of? Cassette releases? Singles? Comp tracks?

Ian Johnson (orion), Friday, 18 October 2002 20:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Great great great live show, and I know zilch about their field of clatter...

Pete Scholtes, Friday, 18 October 2002 20:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

the FPL LP is just two sides of droning noise - side B is the asscrusher, starting out with some nice shrieking and clattering.

your null fame (yournullfame), Sunday, 20 October 2002 04:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Has anyone heard the two CDs that American Tapes currently has? Interminable Bleeding and Strangulation Tank. I'm a bit wary of ordering them, only because I know nothing about them. I could end up with two hours of crap.

Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 11 November 2002 15:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

most of the wolf eyes stuff on amtapes is poorly recorded pots and pans banging and synth bleats. and yelling. i'm not insulting it, btw, i really like most of it. american tapes releases are frequently 'mixed' by john olson (ex-universal indians, currently in wolf eyes), which involves an old noisy tape delay, some razor blade editing and letting the tapes marinate in basement filth until they sound like melted flexi discs played at 16 rpm.

there are some really great releases on am tapes (yellow eyes, the universal indians LPs, dr. gretchen's musical weightlifting program) but they can be an endurance test if you're not 'feeling it.'

and if anyone has "thrist of the worm"...i'm up for a trade.

your null fame (yournullfame), Monday, 11 November 2002 23:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Has anyone heard Dead Hills yet? I've seen it at the store and pondered picking it up.

Ian Johnson (orion), Sunday, 8 December 2002 16:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well Ian, Dead Hills sounds like some of my unreleased demos in the very extreme parts. There's a lot of quiet parts with a thumpy synth drum sound and lots of echoy noise and MITB-ish vocals. Every song has a thumping slow rhythm. The last song (of three), "Dead Tropics" is probably my favorite.

Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Sunday, 22 December 2002 15:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

I enjoyed one of their songs, one of the times I've seen them. Otherwise I don't like them at all. (I seem to have inadvertantly seen them about a half-dozen times.)

Dave Fischer, Sunday, 22 December 2002 16:54 (twenty-one years ago) link


"dead hills" pretty much sounds like "dread" part 2. long extended instrumental opener that, in my memory at least, features crickets chirping. two shorter songs with vocals a la "dread". running time, 23 minutes. worth every penny.

there was also an american tapes 3" CDR called "dead hills" that seems to bear little (if any) relation to the troubleman release.

your null fame (yournullfame), Monday, 23 December 2002 00:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

two weeks pass...
WOLF EYES - mid march to early april, michigan to west coast and back
CAROLINER RAINBOW ... - late march to mid/late april, from CA down
south through mid midwest up to ny back accross north
25 SUAVES - April debating whether to go east or west, best offers
get the tour!
ASHCROFT - msg's band, april west coast

gygax!, Monday, 6 January 2003 18:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

two months pass...
all the Amtapes stuff is great - my recent favorites are all the Dead Machines cassettes (John with gal pal / Polyamory Records founder Tovah O'Rourke) and the Dead Comet Alive cdr. Best punk label ever? quite possibly...

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 6 March 2003 01:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wolf Eyes' "Dread" is the perfect soundtrack for a Michigan winter. Whether you're digging a path to your car, driving on ice in a blinding snowstorm, walking against a freezing wind, or wrestling with cabin fever, you'll find that Wolf Eyes fit seamlessly into the moment. Their music paints a picture of a greasy mound of black snow slowly melting on a salt-stained sidewalk.

When the spring begins, and you feel fully awake for the first time in months, and you're walking around in short sleeves reaquainting yourself with leaves and grass and sunlight, then you might want to listen to some different music. Right now, though, "Dread" sounds perfect.

EC, Thursday, 6 March 2003 06:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

picked up dead hills yesterday and it's reet, very throbbing gristle very bleek and industrial, nice RPG allusions a la every fucking US hardcore group out, nice skull art work reminds me of a skate board i used to have

what label is dread on?

schnell schnell, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 14:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's a split release between Bulb, Hanson and American Tapes. Should still be available. It's a motherfucker.

hstencil, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 14:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

I played Wolf Eyes (a tape of a track from 'Dread') for two friends who haven't heard much noise before. We had just smoked a lot of pot. One of them was unable to move and commented that he felt like monkeys were beating his skull in. It was pretty funny.

Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 14:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

the "dread" cd is 'on' bulb. the "dread" lp is 'on' american tapes+hanson, according to the back of it anyway. more interestingly and less pedantically, the LP is being reissued soon for vinylists.

your null fame (yournullfame), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 17:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

PEDANT ALERT: The CD I have has all three labels listed on the back.

hstencil, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 17:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

i have THE LP, damn you! THE ORIGINAL VINYL! MY CRED = UNASSAILABLE.

incidentally, anyone who uses soulseek should look for the live 11.15.01 video and audio by wolf eyes, it's fucking great. as are the two CDRs ("half dogs" aka olson mix and untitled aka dilloway mix) i've seen around.

your null fame (yournullfame), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 17:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

they're on tour:

03/19 Boise, ID
03/20 Seattle, WA @ The Crocodile
03/21 Olympia, WA @ No Exit
03/22 Portland, OR @ Nocturnal
03/23 OFF
03/24 Eugene, OR @ John Henry's Club
03/25 Sacramento, CA @ Espresso Metro
03/26 San Francisco, CA @ Bottom of the Hill
03/27 San Francisco, CA @ Hemlock
03/28 Oakland, CA @ Rockland
03/29 Los Angeles, CA @ The Smell
03/30 San Diego, CA @ The Casbah
03/31 Tucson, AZ @ Solar Culture
04/01 OFF
04/02 OFF
04/03 Kansas City, MO @ Your Face
04/04 St. Louis, MO @ LNAC
04/05 Murfreesboro, TN @ Red Rose Coffee House & Bistro
04/06 Lexington, KY @ Artsplace
04/15 Detroit, MI @ Magic Stick
04/17 Chicago, IL @ Fireside Bowl
04/18 Evanston, IL @ Nevin's Live
04/19 St. Paul, MN @ Macalester College

JasonD (JasonD), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

may i re-emphasize my earlier point (see first response in this thread):

SEE THEM LIVE.

(although I am bummed they played 5 shows in SF in 2001, only 3 this year. :-\ )

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

i'll be at the bottom of the hill show. yes i will

JasonD (JasonD), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

buy Uglied: www.geocities.com/berriesaswell

roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

They are not playing NYC, unfortunately.

hstencil, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

they need to come east-coastal. i missed them this past summer at oops.

marcg (marcg), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah, if they had made it to the east coast with caroliner, it would've been a wet dream.

your null fame (yournullfame), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

just saw this today

http://sfbg.com/37/25/art_music_wolf.html

marcg (marcg), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 19:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

The show I saw of Oops! last summer kinda sucked (well, Wolf Eyes did.) I saw them a bit earlier at The Candle Factory in Providence (with Danse Asshole and Prurient) and they rocked the fuckin house, though.

Dread roolz. Slicer is less intense but also roolz.

Ian Johnson, Thursday, 20 March 2003 02:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

the show last night was i.n.t.e.n.s.e.

JasonD (JasonD), Friday, 28 March 2003 07:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Most revived thread ever?

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 28 March 2003 09:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

two months pass...
revive! cos i've been listening to dread & the drumm/dilloway cassette a lot recently, and i've noticed some new (?) tapes on slsk recently (droll vol 12, dead at hemlock sf 3-27-03 etc). so what else is good?

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 04:45 (twenty years ago) link

i stand by the wolf eyes "half dogs" and s/t cdrs - one mixed by dilloway, one by olson. and fucking MUGGER kicks your fucking ass.

your null fame (yournullfame), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 05:24 (twenty years ago) link

"Dread" is fucking classic! even if only for "burn your house down". I haven't seen them live and it woun't happen any time soon, i'm depressed :(

Jrvision (visionjr), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 08:14 (twenty years ago) link

toby,
i was at that hemlock show, very different from the other 4 shows i've seen. the lights were on, dilloway and olson were laughing almost the whole show. very good, i'll look for it on slsk. the dolphins next to me were eeping in delight!

j0hn dwy3r was next to me talking loudly the entire show about (!!!) himself (!!!) imagine that gee whiz.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

Dread is a fucking classic album.

Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

Wolf Eyes need to get they fool asses back down to Providence--we haven't seen 'em even remotely nearby since Oops! The Tour.

That said, Mugger rules, Dread rules, Slicer is pretty good, and they eat my fucking face live. Today, on my record shopping binge, I might pick up the split LP with Crack: We Are Rock if they still have it at Armageddon.

Ian Johnson, Tuesday, 10 June 2003 15:52 (twenty years ago) link

(is there a Faxed Head thread?)

Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 16:02 (twenty years ago) link

Wolf Eyes needs to get they punk asses to the UK. Does anyone like their earlier stuff like the s/t cd on Bulb?

JW if you're searching for old hardcore threads to revive then look hard for the one where Aaron Dilloway himself comes and puts the smackdown on some ILM guy it's funny.

ss, Tuesday, 10 June 2003 16:05 (twenty years ago) link

I didn't cast revive thread, this time.

Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 16:07 (twenty years ago) link

search: "strangled in filth". runs a wide spectrum. might be my fav....

marcg (marcg), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 16:10 (twenty years ago) link

faxed head thread?

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 17:35 (twenty years ago) link

Wolf Eyes needs to get they punk asses to the UK. Does anyone like their earlier stuff like the s/t cd on Bulb?

yes. though it really does seem like john olson joining made them the machine they are today.

JW if you're searching for old hardcore threads to revive then look hard for the one where Aaron Dilloway himself comes and puts the smackdown on some ILM guy it's funny.

the one where he criticizes someone for not listening to to live and shave in LA 'correctly'? that wasn't funny, it was sad.

your null fame (yournullfame), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 23:36 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, shit like that just reminds me of why i tried to get as far away from hardcore as possible when i left college

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 23:42 (twenty years ago) link

shit like that just reminds me of you, jess.

(damn I'm mean today)

hstencil, Wednesday, 11 June 2003 04:08 (twenty years ago) link

old dog, new tricks, etc.

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 04:20 (twenty years ago) link

I don't have any questions but tell him his recent solo albums RULE

shabba lambides (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:44 (twelve years ago) link

The show itself was pretty awesome (nice 'n' subdued atmospherics w/harmonica + wah-wah wig out) and he's an exceptionally good interviewee. Swell guy as well.

Blue Collar Retail Assistant (Dwight Yorke), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:33 (twelve years ago) link

One man thread revival continues. Here's my review of the show if anyone's interested - I'd never been to a gig of this kind, let alone written about one, so any advice/feedback would be really welcome:

http://crackmagazine.net//article/648/nate-young/

Blue Collar Retail Assistant (Dwight Yorke), Friday, 20 April 2012 10:53 (eleven years ago) link

Sounds like a good night. Have you heard the Stare Case record?

Trip Maker, Friday, 20 April 2012 14:06 (eleven years ago) link

FINAL thread revival: the one and only Experimedia have run with my interview and it's the first they've ever published so i'm rather proud. enjoy:

http://experimedia.tumblr.com/post/22254606220/nateyounginterview

Blue Collar Retail Assistant (Dwight Yorke), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:40 (eleven years ago) link

Cool interview. I should've told you to ask him what that sound is that appears on most of his albums.

C.C. Sabbathian of the Doom York Yankees (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 3 May 2012 04:02 (eleven years ago) link

http://noise-park.tumblr.com/post/21811256238/john-olson

sarahell, Thursday, 3 May 2012 06:16 (eleven years ago) link

ten months pass...

new wolf eyes

scott seward, Monday, 1 April 2013 18:35 (eleven years ago) link

http://pitchfork.com/advance/59-no-answer/

scott seward, Monday, 1 April 2013 18:36 (eleven years ago) link

been totally digging wolf eyes the last couple of days. they sound better than ever to me. the old stuff. sounds more CURRENT to me than it did at the turn of the century. for some reason. really appreciate the old stuff more now than i did at the time.

scott seward, Monday, 1 April 2013 18:39 (eleven years ago) link

they are really really good.

Heyman (crüt), Monday, 1 April 2013 18:56 (eleven years ago) link

Oh he'll yes

Raymond Cummings, Monday, 1 April 2013 21:31 (eleven years ago) link

Always Wrong didn't do anything for me, Human Animal was the shit

Raymond Cummings, Monday, 1 April 2013 21:35 (eleven years ago) link

New one pretty tasty at first blush.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 05:23 (eleven years ago) link

Courtney Love CobainVerified account
‏@Courtney
@pitchforkmedia wait so Wolf Eyes is the most important band of the last 20 years ? lets got to my local bar and duke this out

The description of my page is: Gargoyles Swimsuit Special (Matt P), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 17:19 (eleven years ago) link

no let's go to MY local bar, bitch.

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 17:27 (eleven years ago) link

Nate Young via Aaron Dilloway
HA too funny! 16 years ago WE banned her from our gigs, and she finally wants to fight

The description of my page is: Gargoyles Swimsuit Special (Matt P), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 18:50 (eleven years ago) link

i want wolf eyes vs. courtney love storytime

The description of my page is: Gargoyles Swimsuit Special (Matt P), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 18:52 (eleven years ago) link

i thought the bump would've been for the wolf eyes rider from 15 years ago: http://swezlex.com/woofpies/jsdemands.html

a similar stunt failed to work with a cow (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 18:56 (eleven years ago) link

Always Wrong didn't do anything for me, Human Animal was the shit

also w/ ss. been having a reappreciation sesh over the past few weeks, and the early stuff (slicer thru burned mind or thereabouts) still sounds great. especially enjoying the more ambient long-format stuff, live tracks, etc.

I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 21:38 (eleven years ago) link

yeah, these guys were pretty much one of the best things going until Aaron Dilloway left. Human Animal was the last thing he worked on and it's a total decline from there imo.

circa1916, Wednesday, 10 April 2013 03:42 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah new one is dope in a Slicer way at points

Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 10 April 2013 04:02 (eleven years ago) link

xxp - holy shit! that is my sometime bandmate's website! </pvmic>

You must be very cold in the sack. (sarahell), Wednesday, 10 April 2013 04:57 (eleven years ago) link

anybody seen them recently? any good?

Crackle Box, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 10:50 (ten years ago) link

seven months pass...

Saw them at Netil House last night...hahahahah they are SO SO SO CAMP live! I'd only ever seen Nate Young solo before and that was a really sombre, dark, slow set. This was him and John Olson wearing cut-off denim jackets and leather camps doing yr archetypal hype-macho stances for an hour. Louder than I thought was possible too. Their new guitarist dude is wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiild!

They were supported by Folkazoid (who would have been awesome if I was stoned and seventeen) and Porn (Thurston Moore and Bill Gould from Faith No More doing some kind of improv avant metal shit, was geat, Thurston spent the whole gig looking like he was about to blat every where. Ended with some crucial thrash shit) who were wicked.

Sad to not see a single ironic fist pump all night tho.

the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 09:20 (ten years ago) link

http://ajcdrift.com/admin/uploads/ajcrocketbunny_bbpp5.jpg

but seriously, that sounds like an awesome gig.

JACK SQUAT about these Charlie Nobodies (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 15:40 (ten years ago) link

Dwight, this record by Porn is ace: http://www.discogs.com/Porn-Experiments-In-Feedback/release/509042

I like to think I have learnt a thing or two about music (Neil S), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 15:45 (ten years ago) link

The Dale Crover Porn is a different Porn, isn't it?

JACK SQUAT about these Charlie Nobodies (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 15:49 (ten years ago) link

tbh I've never been quite sure, and they are tricky to search for online! I thought they're all part of the same collective-type-thing though?

I like to think I have learnt a thing or two about music (Neil S), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 15:50 (ten years ago) link

Yeah I suppose that's possible, I just always thought of the Dale Crover version first. This new line-up sounds great too.

JACK SQUAT about these Charlie Nobodies (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 15:53 (ten years ago) link

regardless, Experiments in Feedback is great, particularly the final track which is 15min long and is a loop of a particularly nasty bit of feedback. Far out!

I like to think I have learnt a thing or two about music (Neil S), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:03 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

http://www.thefader.com/2015/10/22/wolf-eyes-i-am-a-problem-mind-in-pieces

new one's pretty cool! some straight up (relatively speaking) rock songs on this. rotted out stooges and spacemen 3 jams.

made me revisit "No Answer: Lower Floors" which didn't connect at the time. appreciating it this time around.

circa1916, Sunday, 25 October 2015 04:29 (eight years ago) link

and yeah, last time i saw them (2 years ago?) i didn't know how to take 'em. as mentioned above, it was pretty camp. like cartoon dystopian splatter punk rockin' out. don't know how they were in the glory days, but the previous time i saw them (6 years ago?) they were pretty straight n0ize dude noodlin'.

circa1916, Sunday, 25 October 2015 04:38 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

New album's real good

Their takeover of the Third Man instagram account was awesome

Capitalism Is A Death Cult And Science Is A Whore (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 28 November 2015 04:27 (eight years ago) link

five months pass...

http://i.imgur.com/wBIgycW.jpg

circa1916, Friday, 13 May 2016 20:01 (seven years ago) link

ten months pass...

New WOLF EYES

Undertow

Mostly not Tool covers

It's like funeral doom played with broken synthesizers and brass and a guitar that just can't

four months pass...

https://wolf-eyes.bandcamp.com/album/no-hate

StanM, Thursday, 17 August 2017 18:21 (six years ago) link

Nice!

The Man Who Saw The Midwife (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 17 August 2017 23:36 (six years ago) link

For a noise group they really seem to want everyone to know they're not shitheads, I love it.

The Man Who Saw The Midwife (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 17 August 2017 23:37 (six years ago) link

two years pass...

related to Wolf Eyes, Dilloway made a playlist of his favorite "weird" Smithsonian Folkways records, and it's really amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMKUNfG8UYdeJsZLnfcu0ZKrKgwlk1Utn

Also available on Spotify and Apple Music.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Sunday, 2 August 2020 13:50 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

“My whole life” from their last album caught me recently, great stuff.

ꙮ (map), Saturday, 4 November 2023 22:57 (five months ago) link


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