Dark Shadows=-->Best ABC Soap Opera of All Time or Classic?

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Angelique truly did rock the fucking house. I never thought Victoria was that much at all.

Allyzay, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 17:32 (twenty years ago) link

didn't they try to bring this back in the early 90s?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 17:45 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, with the same producer, Dan Curtis ("winds of war" "war and remembrance") and ben cross, but it didn't do too much. The first one was too genuinely creepy (sometimes) to be beat.

Skottie, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 18:51 (twenty years ago) link

I always thought he was creepier

http://www.tvofyourlife.com/images/jamesat15pic.jpg

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 19:03 (twenty years ago) link

My mom has talked about how great Dark Shadows was since I was a little girl.....

bobbi gail atwell, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 19:58 (twenty years ago) link

You can get video tapes. I've watched almost all of it on tape. Of course, that's more of an admission than I'd like to make. It was a daily soap opera. That's a lot of tape. Much of it is boring and repetitive like all soaps. But occasionally it's terrifying and often genuinely strange. Of course, the country was falling apart then.

Skottie, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 20:00 (twenty years ago) link

I saw Jonathan Frid in a production of something like Arsenic and Old Lace in New Haven a few years ago. He was still terrifying.

Skottie, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 20:02 (twenty years ago) link

I used to love this show. I first caught it when the young boy and blond girl (who may have been a ghost or something) were hanging around in some crypt-type place, and since I was about their age and loved spooky shit I was hooked immediately. It eventually got more ridiculous (Julia creating a Frankenstinian monster, then a wife for it, or am I imagining this last part?) and even my teenage self started to think it was stupid.

I remember one flub my brother told me about where Frid said "Hollywood" instead of "Collinwood" and I guess the rest of the take was so brilliant they left it in.

nickn (nickn), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 20:08 (twenty years ago) link

I remember one flub my brother told me about where Frid said "Hollywood" instead of "Collinwood" and I guess the rest of the take was so brilliant they left it in.

It was live, IIRC. There were several US soaps that went out live as late as the mid-Seventies.

Christine 'Green Leafy Dragon' Indigo (cindigo), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 02:57 (twenty years ago) link

Actually live or just an extremely tight shooting schedule? I thought they were so close to the edge occasionally that they had to let imperfect things go out, but I didn't think they were live all the time. DS had lots of different sets that would have made that hard.

nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 05:34 (twenty years ago) link

I wouldn't have thought it was live, just xtrmly low budget and therefore quickly shot. But I don't know.

Skottie, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 07:16 (twenty years ago) link

eight years pass...

It looks like I will be writing about the Burton film; I suppose I should watch 2 or 3 episodes of this for b.g. It was huge when I was 7 years old, but I was incurious and probably never saw a whole ep.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link

I did the whole run-home-from-school thing for a while as a tike. The Monday-Friday serial aspect was a big part of the appeal. Viewed individually, the episodes are slow, clunky, and ultra-low-budget, but cumulatively, with story lines stretched over weeks and months, they managed to create some creepy effects.

I'm drawing a blank on other daily TV serials aimed at kids (as I assume DS largely was, after the first year or two) ... it reminds me of what I've read about some old radio series.

Brad C., Wednesday, 2 May 2012 19:52 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/74/conventions

The part of the episode where the Dark Shadows convention is covered is pretty entertaining. I wonder if people still have Dark Shadows conventions now.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link

btw Wiki has the show as "live-to-tape" (ie, no retakes) as opposed to live.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link

The film looks dreadful.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 3 May 2012 00:22 (eleven years ago) link

trailers don't mean shit, I've learned

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 May 2012 00:27 (eleven years ago) link

i had a job for a couple years with a boss who was just obsessed with the show and talked about it constantly, had every episode on VHS, etc. it annoyed me at the time but now i kinda really want to see it.

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 01:12 (eleven years ago) link

Never knew that it was non-supernatural until several months after the debut.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 May 2012 01:41 (eleven years ago) link

i think the film looks pretty good and I've long since stopped being a burton fan. i dunno, the gimmick is amusing.

akm, Thursday, 3 May 2012 04:10 (eleven years ago) link

^^

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Thursday, 3 May 2012 04:14 (eleven years ago) link

seven years pass...

The creepiest part of the show is the psychological torture/abuse that's constantly going on. For instance when Barnabas the undercover vampire abducts Maggie Evans and keeps her in a bare cell in his basement for two weeks while he tries to destroy her sense of identity and make her believe she's his wife from the 18th Century. And after she escapes with only shreds of her sanity left, Dr. Julia Hoffman hypnotizes her and erases all her memory of the event. Something like this happens all the time, characters having their mind split open by traumatic supernatural experiences only to then have their memories wiped clean by some unscrupulous character. In just one week of 1968 episodes I counted three such memory wipes. Another common scenario is when one half of a couple is falls under the hypnotic spell of a vampire or diabolical entity and starts acting weird all the time, which in turn exasperates and bewilders their partner to the point the partner loses their grip on reality.

In the case of young governess Victoria Winters it's astounding how clueless she is about realizing anything at all supernatural is going on around her, even after two years of dealing with the most bizarre developments one after another. I don't know why she doesn't take stock and think, "I had a normal life until I came to this town two years ago and since then everything's turned into a never-ending nightmare. Maybe I should think about moving."

The weak part of the show for me is how it never deals with ongoing effects of trauma. Characters always bounce right back from any sort of disturbing ordeal, experiences never have a cumulative effect. This makes the show seem psychologically false.

On the positive side most of the actors are very good, and the professionalism they show getting the episodes done on time with minimal to no tape editing, running between sets and changing costumes in real time, is impressive.

Josefa, Thursday, 2 January 2020 16:34 (four years ago) link

^ otm

in spite of its constant references to history and ancestors, the events of DS seem occur in a continuous, context-free present; hence the proliferation of alternative histories and identities, as well as the characters' invulnerability to trauma and retrospection

a magnificent achievement: https://darkshadowseveryday.com/

Brad C., Thursday, 2 January 2020 17:21 (four years ago) link

^ I've seen that blog, it is amazing

Josefa, Thursday, 2 January 2020 18:14 (four years ago) link


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