2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

you live in hawaii, it is illegal for you to vote in az, you jerk!

that site is very embarrassing to me on a personal level... but i'm tempted to forward it to the corner for the lols.

i was going to school in chicago then and was registered in AZ

that site is very embarrassing to me on a personal level... but i'm tempted to forward it to the corner for the lols.

― goole, Thursday, October 9, 2008 11:42 AM (4 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

do this please

dean also led in being the first major candidate w/ a serious chance who based being anti-iraq war as his platform

This should have been Dean's platform.

and i wasnt the one talking about 'dean campaign,'

― joe 40oz (deej), Thursday, October 9, 2008 5:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

that would be everyone else

i cant even find this lady on the 2000 primary wiki

i know lol quoting wikipedia but
[quote]By challenging the war in Iraq at a time when mainstream Democratic leaders were either neutral or cautiously supportive, Dean positioned himself to appeal to his party's activist base.[/quote]

"again, 50 state strategy"

Um you are aware that Obama doesn't actually have field offices in all fifty states, right?

yes, i am aware that the '50 state strategy' is more like a twenty-whatever state strategy in terms of the next election, but that really doesnt contradict anything im saying here

its true that obamas strategy isnt really that similar to deans 50 state thingy - they were just a little better at identifying swing states than everyone else

but he said "um" before his post so it obviously does contradict you

Adding more states to your strategy because you have more 1) Money and 2) Volunteers 3) had to compete in them because the primary was endless and 4) are competitive in them cuz the GOP sucks this year doesn't = I am taking a page from the Howard Dean playbook or whatever you are trying to say.

why do you hate howard dean?

Howard Dean ate his dingo.

I had no problem disliking him in 2004, but Dean-breaks-down was the worst example of GOP and media collusion I've seen since....oh, fall 2002.

Adding more states to your strategy because you have more 1) Money and 2) Volunteers 3) had to compete in them because the primary was endless and 4) are competitive in them cuz the GOP sucks this year doesn't = I am taking a page from the Howard Dean playbook or whatever you are trying to say.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, October 9, 2008 4:49 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

'um,' yes it does - he could easily have used those to blanket ohio and florida, which was HRC's plan, but instead he decided to fight in places like VA and CO which ppl didn't really think he had a chance of winning - and NC, which it looks like hes suddenly got an edge in.

that is a significant difference from how HRC would have approached this election and is based on the notion that dems should be working to expand the map

I don't hate Howard Dean. I think he's a vast improvement of the last DNC head. I don't think he (or his campaign) were the genesis of all good ideas Obama's campaign has had (or leveraged.)

i hate howard dean cause his resume basically consisted of being governor of vermont and everyone knows thats not even a real job

Again the fact that HRC and her campaign sucked and Obama's does not /= Howard Dean was right.

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http://osforobama.com/in/

I don't even know what to say!

i dont think acknowledging that dean's campaign was groundbreaking and laid the blueprint for the obama campaign makes obama's accomplishments any less or something. but the obama campaign was modeled on being a smarter dean campaign in a number of ways - basing off objection to the war, commitment to expanding the map, using the internet for fundraising, building on youth enthusiasm, etc

this is something the obama campaign has also repeatedly talked about in interviews - its not like im pulling this out of my ass

Actually I mispoke there. Howard Dean was right. But it doesn't necessarily follow that Howard Dean's campaign or the DNC was the progenitor of these ideas.

omg u guize stop hating howard dean YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOWW

lolololololol goole

can't fucking wait

Uh deej HE IS/WAS OPPOSED TO THE WAR. That was something Obama actually believes. Do you think he has that point of view because of Howard Dean?

CHANGE IS CUMING

soo I guess we'll wait for the NRO explosion by placing bets on when Alex and deej break down and kiss...?

Uh deej HE IS/WAS OPPOSED TO THE WAR. That was something Obama actually believes. Do you think he has that point of view because of Howard Dean?

― Alex in SF, Thursday, October 9, 2008 4:57 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no, im just saying that using it as a central tenet of your presidential campaign was a smart move - he could have downplayed it and run as a moderate or something but it was a call to rally the activist side of the base

im sure he believed the war was a bad idea, but im sure hillary did too

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/PressReleases/96557315-1694-4d8f-9b0a-c29f0f0872e6.htm

Economists Statement on Barack Obama's Risky Economic Proposals

featuring such luminaries as

John Cogan, Hoover Institution
Kathleen Cooper, Southern Methodist University
Marvin Kosters, American Enterprise Institute
Bill Niskanen, Cato Institute

and

Ike Brannon, McCain-Palin 2008
Douglas Holtz-Eakin, McCain-Palin 2008

OH - 20
FL - 27
VA - 13
CO - 9

I hope he wins all of these but you really want to have OH or FL. The way I see it right now, if Obama wins NM, CO and all of MN, WI, MI, and IA it doesn't matter if he loses FL, VA, even OH, not to mention NC.

theres def similarity between deans 50 state and obamas map stretching 08 strategies - theyre different in that deans is a multi year attempt to build up dem fundamentals in traditionally weak states - where as obama is just trying to win a campaign

a big argument in deans approach is expending resources as a loss leader - obv this makes no sense if yr just trying to win a single campaign - which is why obama pulled out of s dakota etc

i do think btw fyi lol that deans 50 state idea is totally otm

deej I'm going to stop there, because basically you seem to be saying Obama being smart and playing to his strengths is because of Howard Dean (which is patently nuts). It's not good arguing about this. Let's kiss instead.

The pictures below are of a recent Orgasmic Breathing workshop that Destin led at Burning Man with a packed dome of 120 people. If you were part of this experience, than you are well aware of the power of the large group energy. Now imagine if it were 1,000 people!

(semi-nsfw)

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u91/destingerek/-6-1.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u91/destingerek/-7-1.jpg

uh xp

Economists Statement on Barack Obama's Risky Economic Proposals

featuring such luminaries as

John Cogan, Hoover Institution
Kathleen Cooper, Southern Methodist University
Marvin Kosters, American Enterprise Institute
Bill Niskanen, Cato Institute

and

Ike Brannon, McCain-Palin 2008
Douglas Holtz-Eakin, McCain-Palin 2008

I was roffling even before you got to the staffers. Shit you had me at Hoover.

Let's kiss instead.

http://osforobama.com/in/

out of office autoreply =(

no hand on the tiller after 5pm eastern it seems...

boo

The defining thing that made me cross over to Obama (from front-runner HRC) was the enthusiasm. His fund-raising and the ardor of his supporters have made McCain have to compete all over the place in states that he may have expected to take for granted.

i think i'm going to sign up to volunteer on election day..i got an email about it from the obama campaign, but i dunno if anyone else is interested here's the site:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/givebarackaday

seems like i would feel better if i got off my ass instead of just fretting on the internet and in front of the TV.

Also, I think the week point of Rove's and the evangelicals' strategy is that it tends to make California, a state that voted for Republican presidential candidates for a generation until '92, more solidly Democratic in terms of the EC. The eastern part of the state may be soldily 'red' but the move away from centrist Republicans has meant that there are lots of them who will vote for a moderate Democrat over a wing-nut flat-earther here.

(xpost)You don't have a job to go to?

i have a lot of vacation days that i don't ever use.

Good for you, Matt.