2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

The Dean campaign continues to give me tons and tons of lols, seeing as it happened right after the bursting of the dotcom bubble yet people still managed to believe somehow that artificially-inflated Internet numbers were directly comparable to concrete real-world numbers without any type of weighting or transformation.

A very good friend of mine had an article published in the Washington Post that talked about this at the time and I remember a vocal segment of ILX being up in arms over it. Let me see if I can find that...

supporting kerry in 04= a desperate bad hook up at the age of 14

supporting obama in 08= doing it 4 real

― kgb (J0rdan S.), Thursday, October 9, 2008 11:10 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

were you old enough to vote in 04???

― ♪☺♫☻ (gr8080), Thursday, October 9, 2008 5:32 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

were you old enough to hook up in 04????????????

for the record I don't think Dean had a problem with turnout (I didn't even get the chance to vote for him!) as much as he was the victim of shenanigans on the part of the DLC, who hated him. Essentially the party management co-opted him by giving him the chairmanship, but denying him the presidency (I am still convinced Gephardt essentially made a sacrifice play against Dean in Iowa). The "scream" thing was such bullshit.

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grady:

no i was 17 but i did volunteering for him

thats what i thought

elmo what the hell

i cant even remember if i voted for dean in the primaries or not now

dean had a problem w/no one voting for him

^^

i have never voted in a primary -- sorry howard dean

hey listen i have no idea what orgasmic breathing is but they are doing it for their man obama

Howard Dean

lol it was Blount who was hardcore for Dean and mad about my friend's article, lol

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i mean it sounds like it could be fun but it is probably a lot less fun than it sounds xp

??? no, dean had lots of legit support prior to the meltdown

shakey mo otm

and i wasnt the one talking about 'dean campaign,' i was talking about dean's strategies in general, and saying that he was responsible for being the popular face pushing the 50 state strategy, which obama also bought into, just as he bought into using the internet for fundraising

i voted for some lady who was pro UFO research in 2000 primaries; i liked bradley but swore i'd never vote for someone who suported the death penalty

also-- i voted in the first legally binding online election that year (AZ Dem primaries)

Orgasmic breathing sounds like it could lead to passing out and splitting your head open. Bravo to these brave risktakers, putting their lives on the line to follow their convictions.

Wasn't Dean the first pol to publicly admit without shame that he used the Internet?

you live in hawaii, it is illegal for you to vote in az, you jerk!

that site is very embarrassing to me on a personal level... but i'm tempted to forward it to the corner for the lols.

i was going to school in chicago then and was registered in AZ

that site is very embarrassing to me on a personal level... but i'm tempted to forward it to the corner for the lols.

― goole, Thursday, October 9, 2008 11:42 AM (4 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

do this please

dean also led in being the first major candidate w/ a serious chance who based being anti-iraq war as his platform

This should have been Dean's platform.

and i wasnt the one talking about 'dean campaign,'

― joe 40oz (deej), Thursday, October 9, 2008 5:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

that would be everyone else

i cant even find this lady on the 2000 primary wiki

i know lol quoting wikipedia but
[quote]By challenging the war in Iraq at a time when mainstream Democratic leaders were either neutral or cautiously supportive, Dean positioned himself to appeal to his party's activist base.[/quote]

"again, 50 state strategy"

Um you are aware that Obama doesn't actually have field offices in all fifty states, right?

yes, i am aware that the '50 state strategy' is more like a twenty-whatever state strategy in terms of the next election, but that really doesnt contradict anything im saying here

its true that obamas strategy isnt really that similar to deans 50 state thingy - they were just a little better at identifying swing states than everyone else

but he said "um" before his post so it obviously does contradict you

Adding more states to your strategy because you have more 1) Money and 2) Volunteers 3) had to compete in them because the primary was endless and 4) are competitive in them cuz the GOP sucks this year doesn't = I am taking a page from the Howard Dean playbook or whatever you are trying to say.

why do you hate howard dean?

Howard Dean ate his dingo.

I had no problem disliking him in 2004, but Dean-breaks-down was the worst example of GOP and media collusion I've seen since....oh, fall 2002.

Adding more states to your strategy because you have more 1) Money and 2) Volunteers 3) had to compete in them because the primary was endless and 4) are competitive in them cuz the GOP sucks this year doesn't = I am taking a page from the Howard Dean playbook or whatever you are trying to say.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, October 9, 2008 4:49 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

'um,' yes it does - he could easily have used those to blanket ohio and florida, which was HRC's plan, but instead he decided to fight in places like VA and CO which ppl didn't really think he had a chance of winning - and NC, which it looks like hes suddenly got an edge in.

that is a significant difference from how HRC would have approached this election and is based on the notion that dems should be working to expand the map

I don't hate Howard Dean. I think he's a vast improvement of the last DNC head. I don't think he (or his campaign) were the genesis of all good ideas Obama's campaign has had (or leveraged.)

i hate howard dean cause his resume basically consisted of being governor of vermont and everyone knows thats not even a real job

Again the fact that HRC and her campaign sucked and Obama's does not /= Howard Dean was right.

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I don't even know what to say!

i dont think acknowledging that dean's campaign was groundbreaking and laid the blueprint for the obama campaign makes obama's accomplishments any less or something. but the obama campaign was modeled on being a smarter dean campaign in a number of ways - basing off objection to the war, commitment to expanding the map, using the internet for fundraising, building on youth enthusiasm, etc

this is something the obama campaign has also repeatedly talked about in interviews - its not like im pulling this out of my ass

Actually I mispoke there. Howard Dean was right. But it doesn't necessarily follow that Howard Dean's campaign or the DNC was the progenitor of these ideas.

omg u guize stop hating howard dean YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOWW

lolololololol goole

can't fucking wait

Uh deej HE IS/WAS OPPOSED TO THE WAR. That was something Obama actually believes. Do you think he has that point of view because of Howard Dean?

CHANGE IS CUMING

soo I guess we'll wait for the NRO explosion by placing bets on when Alex and deej break down and kiss...?

Uh deej HE IS/WAS OPPOSED TO THE WAR. That was something Obama actually believes. Do you think he has that point of view because of Howard Dean?

― Alex in SF, Thursday, October 9, 2008 4:57 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no, im just saying that using it as a central tenet of your presidential campaign was a smart move - he could have downplayed it and run as a moderate or something but it was a call to rally the activist side of the base

im sure he believed the war was a bad idea, but im sure hillary did too