This sounds like the worst thing

what schwantz just said, too

(and to try and hatch out the more interesting argument to come here..)

Also, I hate ironic dancing more than you know, but making fun of hip-hop or even any aspect of black culture does not make someone an immediate racist.

i do fliering for the aesthetic, because i like to have people compliment me on fliers that took me 5 minutes to make because it's fun!

My flyers say FREE BEER really big on them...

Can we please see a few attempts at equasions that sum up exactly what this guy's deal is supposed to be?

But that might be considered false advertising to some

saying you can't grind guys in "conventional hip-hop clubs" because they're too "hardcore" is approaching borderline in my book.

Well hell.

easy. mission: douchebag

I'm all equeasy now.

you've got like, me, rich zerbo and brian degraw, for what it's worth.

I just don't get the whole "ironic DJ" thing at all, in any context. And even more confounding are the people who come and dance along. If you don't REALLY like the music, then don't play it (or dance to it). If you DO really like it, then have the balls to admit it.

They like the music and they like dancing to it of course. The "humor" and "irony" part adds several things, like distance, like the ability to convince yourself that you're NOT uncomfortably appropriating somebody elses culture(i know, I know, it's all backwards), protection from admitting earnestly liking something you're not supposed to like etc etc.

I've heard nothing but questionable things about royal oak and their attitudes towards music/djs etc.

anyway, never been to a hollertronix party, I just looked at their website and it's the same thing, I mean, the image/graphics are clearly trying to represent something, which is fine, it's all marketing, but is that what hollertronix is all about? Black dudes and girls in thongs?

when you tell white kids they can get in for free if they bring a bucket of chicken, I think that qualifies...

Surely you mean flip-flops.

Lit has a strict no flip-flop policy.

I forgot about that part. That sucks.

i think brian stole my headphones and gave them to josh. : (

Come to daddy.

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The thing is, I'm sure all of those links exhibited cock vacuum pumps.

*drum break*

plz tell me you guys are all referring an NYC club, and not to the yuppie gentrified hell just north of Detroit...

what is this, your fucking blog? What music is "now playing"? How's that crush going? Can I be added to your friend list?

it's a williamsburg bar named after yuppie gentrified hell north of detroit.

confounded, lighten up.

hstencil, I think counfounded is making an "inside" joke to me.

And an excellent one at that!

"might as well be" being the very key phrase here. Obviously, Diplo and co. are not admitting people in free if they bring in a bucket of chicken, etc... ok, obvious Pumpsta vs. Holler differences established. (although take away Diplo's weed. You never know! Ok, I kid I kid.)

I don't immediately agree, actually -- mainly because of Susan's cogent points above in the article.. mainly, we're inducing the clientele of any DJ night where a white guy plays bootie music mostly made by black people based on what that girl says about men at the "real" clubs being "too hardcore." for her. Articles rarely care about getting an overall accurate feel of an audience being discussed in an article such as this. The writers want to narrow down the few that have something titillating (no pun intended) to say.

The thing they succumb to is really prevalent now -- being eclectic for eclecticism's sake. I don't need you to mix from a 135 bpm Cure song into a 68 bpm Southern hip-hop song. The beats might match, but you're fucking up the whole feel of my dancing.

As for their relation to black culture, I haven't thought about it enough to pontificate yet...

donut touches on something key here, fact is, I throw a disco party where sometimes I actually play disco. I'd like to think that my goal is to have a mixed crowd, and I find that if you look at the stuff I play, you'd see that it was always quite diverse, that much of the history of disco and hip-hop is way more diverse then most people give it credit for. I'm not free of the problematic use of terms white and black to define nebulously different degrees of "funkiness" in the music, but would like to think that a good disco party doesn't seem so minstrely. I think with hip-hop parties there's a fine line that you can cross and I know it when I see it. A bunch of kids, white or otherwise dancing to hip-hop isn't inherently evil, but sometimes something happens to the vibe where it suddenly makes my white-liberal-guilt ass feel pretty uncomfortable. Obviously Hollertronix flirt with that line, and the Pumpster goes way beyond it.

christ, i knew that plenty of michigan people moved to brooklyn after they graduated but this is fucking ridiculous.