2008 Primaries Thread

screaming lobster of hope says: obama candidacy is "smoke & mirrors"
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pot:kettle::black

quit bringing race into this

we need to get a flip-flop meme on john mccain going, like yesterday. the dude has moved around on every important issue more than once. this 'maverick' thing is bs, he's just stunningly inconsistent, from any ideological vantage point.

together, we can start a meme on this thread. . .a meme that will change the world.

tpm election central: clinton campaign instructs surrogates to refer to super-delegates as "automatic delegates"

whatever the fuck that change is supposed to signify, i don't get it

That they're "automatically" going to vote for HRC.

swinging for the zing thread, que, i like it

i didn't mean we as in ilxors i meant we as in people who don't want john mccain to be president

all haw haws aside, should the mcain meme be a variation on bomb iran?

what if we called him... JUAN mccain?

highlighting his unceasing belligerence doesn't seem like a way to get his core admirers to like him less.

saying that he's actually kind of shifty, unpredictable and (whisper) dishonorable seems like a better attack to me. if you want to get rovian about it.

http://michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/1shutmac.jpg

dishonorable might be a tough sell for him though. it might fly with the younger crowd but not the boomers. unpredictable and shifty, sure.

Yeah, the GOP is way ahead of you guys as far as things that truly bring McCain down. Just save them off somewhere before the GE campaign Republicans conveniently forget all those insults from earlier in the year, that's all.

rolling 2008 list thread for shit to keep mccain from becoming president

ha right i guess we do have a thread for these things!

If Michigan and Florida hold emergency re-do primaries, Clinton would probably still win, right?

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00015

I'd like to see McCain defend his vote to shield telecos from liability when they spy on us at the behest of the nanny state in violation of the law.

This is a lot bigger than the V-chip bruhaha.

Fluffy, you sweetly naive soul, that's only done to keep us safe from the terrorists. And here you are complaining!

Cockburn & St. Clair:

Barack Obama and his supporters... would do well to remember that since the mid-1970s the Democratic National Committee has spent countless hours plowing firebreaks between expressions of the popular will in such caucus and primary votes and the ultimate selection of the nominee.

Gary Hart learned this the hard way in 1984. ...Short on money, Hart then aimed, exactly like Obama, at the caucuses to show momentum. After Super Tuesday, Mondale and Hart were neck and neck. Then Hart cleaned up in the caucuses, just as Obama is now doing. The two split the big states. Mondale won New York and Pennsylvania. Hart won Ohio and California. Then, in the weeks before the Democratic Party convention Mondale and the Democratic Party machine went into action at the various state conventions. Hart watched aghast as his hard-won delegates melted back into the smoke-filled rooms and emerged with Mondale buttons on their lapels. The coup de grace came with Mondale's efficient capture of the Super Delegates, who went to him almost en bloc.

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn02112008.html

(also, AC is much more sanguine about McCain being a loser than I think is wise)

This is an interesting point. how is it relevant to this thread?

Wait, when in the primary season did the Gary Hart scandal break?

that wasn't til '88.

...Short on money, Hart then aimed, exactly like Obama

Hillary needs a "Where's the beef?" moment.

WTF. Mondale ran in 84. Dukakis ran in 88.

In 1984, Reagan was running for re-election and he could not have been more popular. Bush can't run again, and everyone wants to shit down his neck.

Thanks anyway, M.

hart was a primary contender in '84, which mondale eventually won, and went on to lose spectacularly to reagan.

hart was again a primary contender in '88, when a sex scandal sank him. dukakis went on to fame and fortune as a paroler of rapist murderers, and lost to GHWB.

Hillary needs a "Where's the beef?" moment.

like this?

NEED MORE ANCIENT ANALOGIES

Hillary needs a Bonnie Tyler moment

If Michigan and Florida hold emergency re-do primaries, Clinton would probably still win, right?

Even when she was the only candidate on the ballot, HRC only got 56% of the vote in Michigan so I doubt she'd do anywhere near that well in a re-do situation.

I have no idea what some of you fuxors are confused about, but it's not like it's an unusual state of affairs...(Mackro added to dicklist)

I read somewhere that Hillary already has said "Where's the beef"!

you have a dicklist?

ew

When Morbs gets mad
When he gets pissed...

...he grabs his pen
And he writes out a list

http://www.beans-around-the-world.com/photos/scenter6.jpg

I am reminded of this thread:

Well, well, well: Jess (Strongo), James (Nnn Oooh) and Trife - I'm making your cards.

Top Hillary Supporter Says Some Whites In Pennsylvania "Are Not Ready" To Support Black Candidate:
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/top_hillary_supporter_obama_wi.php

^^i can't imagine how saying this could help the HRC camp. i mean, whether or not it's true, no one likes being called a racist.

x-post -- It DOES all make sense now!

hart was a primary contender in '84, which mondale eventually won, and went on to lose spectacularly to reagan.

hart was again a primary contender in '88, when a sex scandal sank him. dukakis went on to fame and fortune as a paroler of rapist murderers, and lost to GHWB.

Ah, yes. Good times.

Dr. M, who's on your list?

a kiss!

Obama is wack.

Ambinder forwards this, about the vote whether or not to grant telecoms retroactive immunity for their their cooperation in making the end-run around FISA:

Sen. Obama voted to strip it (so, he voted for no immunity).
Sen. McCain voted not to strip the amendment (voted for immunity).
Sen. Clinton did not vote.

ZOMG hillz voted present!1?!! LOLL

Greenwald must be in a froth.

Obama is wack.

Not just wack: Wiggity wiggity wiggity whack.

He's wack sauce on a pita.