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man both this and "Hail Hail" were way more driftier than I remember them being as a kid. Pop really has made my alt-brain all bugaboo.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link

"In My Tree": more drums, jesus, wtf. This turn for the eastern really did leave the playing field open for the distinctly judeo-christian Creed. I really have no idea what Vedder is going on about so far. Shocker.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:07 (nineteen years ago) link

best part of "Hail Hail" for me is the gradually fading out chug of the drums and the lingering guitar line.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link

"Smile": and the A&R man thanked God that they were still nuts about Neil Young.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:10 (nineteen years ago) link

"In My Tree" and "Lukin" are their best songs evarr! Although "In My Tree" is really just Peral Jam channeling peak-era U2!!!!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link

The hippy drumming on this album is why this is my favorite Pearl Jam of all! "Release" should've been on this album!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I was wrong before, about what their best songs were, I forgot all about "Release"!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah good call, IMT is kinda U2 ish. in a good way.

(xp I am totally smelling what teh nick is cooking)

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link

proof that pop-ism isn't good for you: I would turn "Smile" off the radio before I would turn off "Higher." "Higher" more fun.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link

"Smile" got radio spins in your neck of the woods, Anthony, really? that was kind of the album where I stopped hearing alt-rock DJs handpick non-single PJ tracks for heavy rotation, but if anything I heard "Red Mosquito" more.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

"Higher" by who? Creed?

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

question - what was the real dropoff for pj's popularity and dominance in altradio? when i went overseas, a few months after vs. dropped, they were huge - the atlanta alt rock station had billboards with just 'PEARL JAM. 99x' on them (now they say 'COBAIN LIVES. 99x', no joke), at least 80% of that fucking album was on altradio, ALOT. when i came back, just before yield dropped, there was this since of 'ok, they're coming back, they've stopped fucking around, accepted their lot in life', the atlanta altradio station played ONLY pj the weekend before it came out, and there was this sense of 'ok, altrock's not gonna die, altrock's not gonna die, 94 forever', and then i only heard three traxx from it on the radio (and only within a year of it's release - i can't remember the last time i heard 'given to fly') and none of them anywhere near as much as even fucking 'glorified g'. so, um, was it vitalogy what did it? or no code?

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:17 (nineteen years ago) link

well our alt-station was pretty die-hard back when this came out. Chavez's "The Guard Attacks" was a Buzz Track! I dunno if I've heard "Red Mosquito" before, will find out soon enough.

Yes, "Higher" by Creed. Mushmouth liberal slack just isn't as amusing on the radio as the anthem of the jesus donkey (neener neener neer).

"Off He Goes": pleasant alt-country, can't focus on the lyrics on first listen but I like it.

(x-post Vitalogy was the one people bought and No Code gave them no reason to bother again - see Monster and New Adventures)

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:18 (nineteen years ago) link

the pacing off this album is kinda goofy from a mainstream rock standpoint. drum circles followed by a turgid Neil number followed by six minutes of alt-country. this is not how you keep your arena authority (the point, I know).

"Had It": low-mic'd little rocker. i'd have to be a fan to care.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link

"Red Mosquito": I think part of the reason misanthropic rock made a comeback is that Vedder stopped SAYING anything. I don't like this song. hippie RAWK, no...

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:24 (nineteen years ago) link

was "better man" pj's biggest hit (merkin ball doesn't count as it skews) pre-"last kiss"? i know reading pj chart standing in the nineties is tricky. what pj songs broke out of the alt ghetto?

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link

post-Ten, "Better Man" is definitely their biggest number. Deserves the title, too. Not sure if it was bigger than "Jeremy" though.

seriously, if I don't focus really hard he might as well be the male Liz Fraser on some of this shit.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link

how big did mirrorball actually get anyhow? what made it to altradio, how much did it get played? was it as big in the larger culture as harvest moon? i remember hearing "sleeps with angels" a little bit on altradio just before i shipped out but it had just hit radio - was it a altradio hit?

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I was under the impression Mirror Ball was just a first week deal. Harvest Moon sold like twice as much.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:29 (nineteen years ago) link

"Lukin": uptempo gibberish

"Present Tense": downtempo LIVE IN THE NOW. oh man. a nation of children were waiting for something to believe, and Vedder's going hominahominahominahomina. no wonder Fuck The Bitch and Jesus Saves won big.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Mirror Ball had a couple songs that did ok on radio, one with a video (PJ weren't in it, but they taped "Jam" underneath the Pearl logo on the kick drum) and predictably the one that had audible Vedder vocals.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:30 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah see i don't remember hearing anything from ten on alt (or aor making begrudging concessions to grunge) radio, it seems like maybe i heard "daughter" or "elderly woman looking for some mayo in aisle three" on ac radio, maaaaybe even top 40.


xpost - that makes sense. harvest moon got ac AND some country radio, even at alt's height those are bigger ponds (and older audiences that don't mind older artists/wonder who the fuck neil young is).

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link

OPEN THE FRIDGE, Anthony.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link

anything from ten on anything other than alt... is what i meant

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Checked allmusic. "Downtown" was a top ten mainstream rock hit. but so was, wtf, "War Of Man." "Change Your Mind" scraped the mainstream top 20. No modrock chart listings.

Jeremy was a top ten pop hit.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

actually it occurs to me - their ticketmaster battle/lack of touring is probably what knocked them down as much as 'more difficult records', yeah?

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link

it sure didn't help. they were the biggest example of how self-crippling alt-arena was. Hard to be small and big at the same time.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link

"I'm the Ocean" was the Mirrorball tune that justified the $13 (not a bad song either)

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link

"Mankind": OMG this song has a hook! who let that in?

OTM re: "I'm The Ocean."

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link

"I'm Open": OH JESUS.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah miccio that 'jeremy' topten listing is a soundscan blip, they released (rereleased?) their 'ten' singles mid-nineties, pj fans (which were legion at the time) gotta gotta have whatever that b-side is (a dime sez it's "yellow ledbetter"), buy it that week, next week it drops like a stone. i very much doubt 'jeremy' fails to chart pop in 92 (when they were even bigger and the video was HUGE), but is a much bigger hit in 95. they're not billy vera.

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link

It was probably a combination of factors: the Ticketmaster fracas, "No Code," their overexposure. The tide was changing in '98 too. "Vitalogy" did ok and is probably their most consistent album song for song, but it didn't hit number one, the "Titanic" soundtrack was hot, and Backstreet Boys were huge and recording more memorable music than PJ at this point.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:39 (nineteen years ago) link

"Mankind"! Is that the one that uses "enigmatic" in a lyric?

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah I wondered about that '95 thing, gotcha. thought it might have been a misprint or something.

lest I sound too dismissive, I totally understand the appeal of this album for people fascinated by the band. The Durst/Vedder thing totally makes sense, this is totally their Results May Vary. I'd say "Last Kiss" was their "Behind Blue Eyes" but I forget if "Last Kiss" came before or after Yield.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link

"Around The Bend": wow, my favorite songs on this album are the tender little side alt-country side-closers! i never would have known. I totally would prefer an album of this type stuff to Son Volt.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:42 (nineteen years ago) link

haha i'n decidedly NOT fascinated by the band

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:42 (nineteen years ago) link

In my post I meant "Yield" instead of "Vitalogy."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm kind of surprised there wasn't an uncredited bonus track of feedback and/or chanting.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I want to hear Yield now. Gotta find that somewhere.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link

"Mankind"! Is that the one that uses "enigmatic" in a lyric?

not sure. You really gotta sit there and go hmmmm to grab lyrics off this thing on the first spin. Kinda reminded me of the D-Plan for some reason. Has the high-voiced chorus hook. I dug that.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:47 (nineteen years ago) link

And if you listened too carefully you might get turned off. Eddie had entered the Ravi Shankar phase of his spiritual quest.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never heard Nusret Fateh Ali Khan. I just know that Tim Robbins, Joan Osbourne and Eddie were mad about the dude.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah! "Long Road"! When I saw PJ in 2003 Corin Tucker added eerie harmonies.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 14 March 2005 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link

if anybody has an mp3 of Corin joining the band for "Hunger Strike," hook me up.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha ha "geez Eddie say something" = "please please more shout-along sloganeering". Jeremy's still speaking, mang! Shout it out loud!

Radio around my parts played the bejeezus out of PJ right before No Code hit (and smeared). And, of course, all the Ten stuff on the "hard rock" stations (except when Vitalogy came out, and the alt.rock stations were playing album tracks left & right like "Tremor Christ" & "Spin the Black Circle") (though "Circle" was a single, I think). The one track they played the crap out of more than anything = "YELLOW LEDBETTER" BOO HISS. "Gee, why can't Pearl Jam rip off their hard rock influences more blatantly? Hendrix was cool! Eff Neil Young! Here's some Disturbed! Down! With! The sickness! oooohWAH-AH-AH-AH!"

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 14 March 2005 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

"Mankind" is probably the least PJ track on the album, & a rare occasion (aside from "Do The Evolution") where you can actually dance to a PJ song instead of sway & bob your head. Stone's vocals, the hook...there's very little of EV in the song, which might account for it's popiness[poppiness? poppyness?]. Shrug.

The hits defintely stopped coming after Vitalogy. Better Man was as far as it went, and after that the next biggest thing was Do The Evolution which didn't do much from what I remember. Does anyone think this had as much to do with less saleable songs as it did with their whole 'no video' policy? Curious. I always wondered how much that affected their popularity, if at all.

I didn't find VS patchy, I did find the choice of singles weird, because Dissident's probably the best song. Vitalogy is a way bumpier ride to my mind. Damn bugs. damn heyfoxymophandlemomathats me.

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 March 2005 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Dissident was a single, though! my brother had the CD single, it had a lot of b-sides. got a good amount of airplay, too, at least where I lived.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 18:56 (nineteen years ago) link

and Blount's right, Yellow Ledbetter is the reason the Jeremy single was so big.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link

christ - i'd somehow forgotten they'd stopped making videos!

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 14 March 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Really? Dissident was a single here? I guess it wasn't in Australia then. Or I just missed it completely. What were the b-sideS? The b-sides for the first 2 albums were defintely way cool...Dirty Frank on Evenflow had to be the best. Also stuff like Wash, and Footsteps, and yeah, Yellow Ledbetter definitely helped Jeremy.

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 March 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link


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