Post Grunge Explosion Also Ran bands. Classic Or Dud/Search & destroy

I can't say I really remember what they sound like, but as I recall, Stabbing Westward attempted to align themselves more with the faux-industrial scene ala NIN than with the grunge corps.

"Spin the Black Circle"
"Animal"
"State of Love & Trust"
"Deep"

WHICH "critics"? And which "everyone"? Some critics loved Veruca Salt; the ones that didn't, uh, maybe just didn't think they were any GOOD? Just a wild guess. I don't remember anybody hating them, though. I thought they were ok, I suppose. I think "Seether" finished pretty high in Pazz and Jop the year it came out. As for Albini/Urge, I have no idea what you mean. He produced their very first EP *Strange, I...* (1985 or so?), if I remember right. (I was one of the only critics on earth who heard it at the time, and I reviewed it in a very stupid way in the Voice, owing largley to a collaborative Albini/Katrud {or whatever his name was} project called Run Nigger Run, I believe. You can look it up if you want.) Urge's only real big critics record was *Saturation,* which yeah, lots of people (maybe even me) seem to agree was the best thing they ever did. So I don't know when this "turning against them" is supposed to have happened...

Stabbing Westward were really more a rock band (with some decent Led Zep steals!) than an industrial band, no matter who they tried to align themselves with (for logistical reasons etc) at the time.

Heard it?? I used to sing it in church!!! (And just 'cause Collective Soul's version doesn't "sound" like it per se doesn't mean it's not basically the same song, which is what I said up above. I guarantee those sons of preachers men sang it in church growing up, too.)

When Urge Overkill moved to a major label steve albini stopped talking to Nash kato(who was his old room mate) . Perhaps Ned will know more on this.

But I still have my pic sleeve 45 of Ratt's "Way Cool Jr." (only good song from that album tho) so I probably would think that.

well, yeah, that's completely OTM. but i'll happily take an album with five or six songs i love, even if i can't stand the other half of it.

Nah, I was never that much of a UO follower, and the only album I still have of theirs -- which I haven't listened to in a dog's age -- is Supersonic Storybook, an Albini job.

>I read their bio on allmusic and it said they were one of the most maligned acts of the time.<<

Veruca Salt??? Yeah, right! Tell that to Uriah Heep or Celine Dion!!

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Stone Temple Pilots, who have barely been mentioned on this thread, made quite a few excellent singles, somebody ought to point out. (And quite a few more "rocking" ones than those old ladies in Pearl Jam.)

I don't know, but I know that's the reason *I* started listening to the stuff in '88 or '89. Soundgarden around the time of Ultramega OK were one of my favorite bands because they sounded so much like Zep. Same thing with Nirvana; I just liked Bleach because I thought the riffs were good. I was still buying Motley Crue and Slayer albums too, though. I didn't get heavily into Uriah Heep until 1990 though.

destroy: rem, "monster"

anyway, it is interesting how STP's rep is getting rehabilitated these days innit?

That was my friend Greg's band! He's a cool guy. He used to have a band with Tom Monahan(sic?) who plays with pernice brothers called Closetfull Of Fear! They were industrial and noisy with a drum machine. Tom's a cool guy too. All the girls were in love with him. My friend Jim was in St.Johnny! Another post-grunge also-ran who some people liked.

Which phase? MBV, Dinosaur Jr., Britpop, post-Richard Ashcroft, Krautrock...

Anyhow: yeah, "No Excuses," the acoustic conga song, was Alice In Chains only good hit. "Why, Pt. 2" by Collective Soul from their post-haircut album was surprisingly awesome - I fuckin' DESPISED "Shine," always will. I never heard "Gel" until after seeing it hailed in Accidental Evolution, and it didn't impress me. You hyped it too much, Chuck.

I have to assume Chuck likes Stabbing Westward because they're NIN without the stuff that really pisses him off, just like STP are to Pearl Jam. Personally, both groups still have too much NIN and Pearl Jam in them (except for "Big Bang Baby," which is astoundingly awesome). And Mudhoney's March To Fuzz is GOLDEN.

The only good Crazy Town song was not remotely nu-metal. It was just a rap song.

the first time i saw both madder rose and monsterland was on a new music seminar bill at wetlands, and a certain couple named kurt and courtney were in the house, which i guess has helped implant their grunginess on my brain. though k and c were presumably there to see the headliners, the 100 percent grunge-free television pesonalities.

So Scott, you had to have known the Lenola folks at least.

Anyone like Helmet? Meantime was a big album from my youth.
Do Brainiac count? Whats the best place to start with for them?