High time we made a stand and shook up The views of the common man DJ'ss the man we love the most Could you be, could you be squeaky clean And smash any hope of democracy? As the headline says youre free to choose Theres an egg on your face and mud on your shoes One of these days theyre gonna call it the blues
And anything is possible when your'e Sowing the seeds of love Anything is possible Sowing the seeds of love
I spy tears in their eyes They look to the skies for some kind Of divine intervention Food goes to waste! So nice to eat, so nice to taste Politician grannie with you r high ideals Have you no idea how the majority feels? So without love and a promised land Were fools to the rules of a government plan Kick out the style: bring back the jam
Anything is possible when...
Sowing the seeds The birds and the bees My girlfriend and me in love Feel the pain Talk about it If youre a worried man Then shout about it Open hearts Feel about it Open minds Think about it Everyone Read about it Everyone Scream about it! Everyone Everyone Everyone Read about it Read about it Read it in the books in the crannies And the nooks there are books to read
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 09:58 (sixteen years ago) link
depends on your definition of 'entertaining' really.
To take your point slightly, what you really want in this situation is someone who can say "I really like white guitar based melodic poo, so understand me chillun, when I say that this Kula Shaker album is a pile of crap and even Cast are better"
sort of thing.. right?
(post certified sarcasm-free)
― Mark G, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 10:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Yes. (Except Cast isn't better) ;)
― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 10:09 (sixteen years ago) link
How come you never see white guitar based melodic poo anymore
― DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 10:17 (sixteen years ago) link
If I wrote a really entertaining and very biased review, slaughtering an otherwise critically acclaimed hip-hop album because it didn't have any great newly composed tunes and had way too little melody and way too much rhythm, then it would be really great and useful? For hip-hop fans even?
if it was entertaining then it would be entertaining. but i somehow doubt it would be.
― stevie, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 10:57 (sixteen years ago) link
oh come on, the work of geir hongro appearing in the national press would be entertainment enough surely.
― acrobat, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 11:08 (sixteen years ago) link
Remembering the horrible reign of the v similar Tom Cox as Guardian pop critic I can tell thee no.
― Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 11:33 (sixteen years ago) link
Geir Hongro's Tribes Of Pop
― DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 11:47 (sixteen years ago) link
If I wrote a really entertaining and very biased review ...
it might not be "great" or "useful", but if it was well-written and entertaining and made me laugh, or even get wildly angry, then yeah, job well done.
― grimly fiendish, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 14:50 (sixteen years ago) link
Geir Hongro, if all that matters is tune, why don't bands just play the lead melody one note at a time on a keyboard with no arrangement or production at all? Surely these indie bands you big up and love so much have a sound that adds to their appeal? For you anyway...
― max r, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 17:20 (sixteen years ago) link
Why would anyone listen to any of those Britpop acts when you could listen to any of the superior acts from the 60s and 70s that they ripped off? Pulp were pretty good, though.
― max r, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 20:43 (sixteen years ago) link
The tune isn't all that matters, it is just what matters the most. Plus the belonging chords matter just as much, which means it needs at least a backing instrument that is able to play chords.
Why would anyone listen to any of those Britpop acts when you could listen to any of the superior acts from the 60s and 70s that they ripped off?
Because the world needs new songs. Not the same old songs, but new ones. In the same style, but with new melodies. After a while, you get sick of humming the old songs, and you need new songs to hum.
― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 21:18 (sixteen years ago) link
what happens once robert pollard has written a song with every possible melody? (eta: 2015)
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 21:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Before anyone has managed to write a song with every possible melody, Sufjan Stevens has released a concept album covered every single American state. And with non-concept albums in-between even.
― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 21:42 (sixteen years ago) link
"Because the world needs new songs. Not the same old songs, but new ones. In the same style, but with new melodies. After a while, you get sick of humming the old songs, and you need new songs to hum."
But why not new styles as well? What's the difference?
― max r, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 22:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Nothing wrong with new styles as long as the contain hummable songs. The new styles of the past 20 have been too much about rhythm and repetition though, not enough about melody and harmony.
― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 22:36 (sixteen years ago) link
Plus entirely new styles are not needed. One should rather mix the styles already existing, creating new conglomerations of already known stylistic elements.
― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 22:37 (sixteen years ago) link
Eh? Don't you think your criteria for what makes a song enjoyable or worthwhile is bit limited, Mr Grongo?
― max r, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 22:40 (sixteen years ago) link
It's the only criteria that mattered until 1920 in classical music, and until the late 80s in popular music.
― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 22:54 (sixteen years ago) link
That's nonsense. Classical composers were always experimenting with different orchestral arrangements, new instruments, etc... And there's been experimentation with production techniques in pop since at least the late 60s.
― max r, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 23:03 (sixteen years ago) link
I was going to send this thread around to some friends b/c of the interesting review but then the thread got derailed. still derailed i see.
― Billy Pilgrim, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 00:45 (sixteen years ago) link
But melodies were always an important part of 60s pop and 19 century classical music, even if there were other elements too the melody was always there at the bottom.
― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 09:09 (sixteen years ago) link
geir do you like harry warren?
― Pashmina, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 10:43 (sixteen years ago) link
i regret reviving this thread.
fucking geir.
-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, September 24, 2007 2:48 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Link
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 10:46 (sixteen years ago) link
Votes for imagebombing?
― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 10:47 (sixteen years ago) link
there should be a 'killfile last 100 posts' function
― Just got offed, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 10:48 (sixteen years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/04/DeadKennedys-NaziPunksFuckOff.jpg
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 10:51 (sixteen years ago) link
ilm has been silent for 17 minutes, as the LBZC plots its next move
― Just got offed, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 11:09 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/PotKettle_small.jpg
― roffle roffle, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 11:14 (sixteen years ago) link
I couldn't find a .jpg of three pots and one kettle, sorry.
― roffle roffle, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 11:15 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.encircling.us/photoplog/file.php?s=81e3599dee7c9ece39484a1c18e56897&n=296&w=o
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 11:19 (sixteen years ago) link
TS mr idée fixe vs the holy trinity of lazy, adolescent snark.
(ha, xposts)
― Pashmina, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 11:20 (sixteen years ago) link
That looks like a Yello video that never was.
― NickB, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 11:24 (sixteen years ago) link
Personally I think their comeback album is indeed better than any of their two 90s albums. They have stripped away all of the "indie" elements and gone fully fledged hippie-pop with quite a hint of 70s softrock/pomp pop. Which fits them greatly.
― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 01:55 (sixteen years ago) link
I like "Tattva."
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 02:28 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqncFetwku0
Yeah, they sucked
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 23:18 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm happy to say that KulaShaker never graced my stereo - I thought they were bollocks.
this DG guy OTM
― DG, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 23:25 (sixteen years ago) link
Mr Snrub OTM 2 posts ago
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 23:30 (sixteen years ago) link
I've just been informed by that porridge-faced wanker, Simon Mayo,
lol
― Algerian Goalkeeper (Odysseus), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:44 (six years ago) link
still basically feel that -- from this distance in time, and his value as a naysayer* notwithstanding -- kulkarni said NO to britpop in a very britpop way: the same one-note grab-you-by-the-lapels bellow
*his deep value was always as a yaysayer, to all kinds of things not britpop
― mark s, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:55 (six years ago) link
best melody maker cheerleader for hip hop, metal and R&B. But I did love his angry polemics to Britpop
― Algerian Goalkeeper (Odysseus), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 20:24 (six years ago) link
i know you do -- i'm just saying with a bit of distance the angry polemics are less distinguishable from what's being polemicised against than they were at the time
― mark s, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 20:27 (six years ago) link
that is quite astute
― #TeamHailing (imago), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 20:29 (six years ago) link
you should write about music!!!
― #TeamHailing (imago), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 20:30 (six years ago) link
perhaps the 90s were a good time in general to grab lapels and bellow, utterly confident in the righteousness of whatever it is you were bellowing. they strike me as a time of plenty, where one didn't have to second-guess oneself because Everything Was Turning Out OK, especially in The West
this is only a vague notion I have, though, and I'm willing to be disabused
― #TeamHailing (imago), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 20:48 (six years ago) link
i am slightly astute sometimes but actually it's someone else's insight
― mark s, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 20:51 (six years ago) link
:)
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:05 (six years ago) link
this wasn't a bad album really. cute in a way
― Badgers (dog latin), Thursday, 18 January 2018 16:05 (six years ago) link
Seems appropriate. RIP.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 12:30 (three months ago) link