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will smith is a great player but he turns 29 in 10 minutes and it's insane to give a catcher a contract through his age-38 season

that said, $14m/yr is fine, and they can afford it, and i guess they can waive him when his body and/or brain fall apart

anyway, good for him -- i like him

mookieproof, Thursday, 28 March 2024 03:50 (one month ago) link

Yep. With the deferrals it's probably like 12.5~ on the luxury tax too for the life of the deal? Insanely reasonable.
Doesn't seem optimal to have both him and Ohtani doing the same 10 years together. No real space at DH for when Will's body does fall apart. The Dodgers love having people play at multiple positions (often to their detriment) so maybe they try shift him to 1b once Freddie is out of town? His bat is so valuable, you want to keep finding a spot for him

H.P, Thursday, 28 March 2024 03:53 (one month ago) link

I like Will Smith a lot too. This contract seems to be all about AAV because 10 years is ridiculous.

Bee OK, Thursday, 28 March 2024 03:59 (one month ago) link

Smith is such a good hitter I wonder if the back end of that contract isn’t played at first when Freddie’s contract is up, he’s six years younger than FF

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 28 March 2024 08:57 (one month ago) link

ahhh the ol' killfile. Probably for the best I suppose

H.P, Thursday, 28 March 2024 10:25 (one month ago) link

They made a new Max Muncy

https://www.mlb.com/news/max-muncy-athletics-prospect-preparing-for-2024

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 28 March 2024 19:10 (one month ago) link

Max Muncy 2: Maximum Muncy

H.P, Thursday, 28 March 2024 19:48 (one month ago) link

Jordan Montgomery never preferred to come to Boston because he wanted to join a winning team, per @JonHeyman.

Furthermore, his wife is transferring to Vanderbilt, so her presence in Boston this winter didn’t play much of a factor in his decision. pic.twitter.com/rGD9zbfTpC

— Boston Sports Gordo (@BOSSportsGordo) March 29, 2024



😭

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 29 March 2024 00:56 (one month ago) link

shots have been fired

H.P, Friday, 29 March 2024 01:34 (one month ago) link

nothing new here and sorry for long copy+paste, but i found this to be a handy bite-size summary of each team's off-season. the list is sorted by team payroll changes relative to 2023

The Big Gainers (at least 10% increase since 2023)

1. Orioles ($66M to $98M, a 48% increase)

The O’s had nowhere to go but up after running a bare-bones payroll for last year’s 101-win campaign. The big increases came from arbitration raises and trading for Corbin Burnes ($15,637,500).

2. Diamondbacks ($124M to $168M, a 36% increase)

Owner Ken Kendrick wasn’t kidding when he said he was willing to add payroll to keep the team in World Series contention. The Diamondbacks didn’t lose anyone significant in free agency, and new additions Eugenio Suárez, Eduardo Rodriguez, Joc Pederson, and Jordan Montgomery will combine to earn almost $60 million this season.

3. Dodgers ($236M to $314M, a 33% increase)

The Dodgers reined in spending in 2023 with an eye on having maximum flexibility for this season, and goodness did they flex it. They committed over $1 billion in free agency, 36% of the entire league’s total.

4. Royals ($91M to $116M, a 27% increase)

Kansas City’s big move was the mega-extension for Bobby Witt Jr., with free agency expenditures large in quantity (seven MLB free agents) but low in big splashes. (Seth Lugo’s $36 million contract was the largest.) Still, they look markedly improved.

5. Rays ($79M to $97M, a 23% increase)

The Rays were pretty quiet in free agency, but their payroll is up quite a bit even after trading away Tyler Glasnow and Manuel Margot. The large collection of arbitration-eligible players accounts for most of the gain here.

6. Pirates ($70M to $84M, a 20% increase)

This is similar to the Rays’ situation; Aroldis Chapman ($10.5 million) was Pittsburgh’s biggest free agent commitment. David Bednar’s arbitration years and Mitch Keller’s extension could keep the Pirates in the $80M+ range for a while.

7. Nationals ($109M to $130M, a 20% increase)

In the final year of his contract, Patrick Corbin is earning $11 million more than he did in 2023, and his raise accounts for over half of Washington’s increase.

8. Astros ($201M to $241M, a 19% increase)

This year, the Astros almost certainly will pay the luxury tax for the first time under owner Jim Crane. Josh Hader signed the biggest free agent deal for a reliever (by present value), and yet he has just the fifth-highest salary on the team.

9. Reds ($87M to $104M, a 19% increase)

Cincinnati had a very Royals-y offseason. Jeimer Candelario’s three-year, $45 million deal was the largest signing the Reds made, but add the $13 million he’ll earn this season with the salaries of newcomers Emilio Pagán, Frankie Montas, and Brent Suter and you get $37.5 million of fresh commitments to four players. That explains the increase in payroll even without Joey Votto on the team anymore.

10. Cubs ($190M to $224M, an 18% increase)

The Cubs waited awhile to strike in free agency, but they’ve now got four players earning over $20 million and another three above $10 million.

11. Braves ($205M to $230M, a 13% increase)

The Braves added more complementary players from the outside (Reynaldo López, Jarred Kelenic, Aaron Bummer) because their extension-heavy strategy creating few holes to plug. Austin Riley, Matt Olson, and Sean Murphy’s raises combine for $12 million in extra salary.

12. Yankees ($272M to $301M, an 11% increase)

Juan Soto’s hefty $31 million salary in his walk year explains the Yankees’ payroll jump, as the Marcus Stroman contract and arbitration raises are essentially negated by the salaries of Josh Donaldson, Luis Severino, and Frankie Montas (among others) coming off the books.

The Moderate Gainers (between 5% and 10% increase since 2023)

13. Giants ($196M to $208M, a 6% increase)

The Giants look significantly better on paper with Jung Hoo Lee, Blake Snell, Matt Chapman, and Jorge Soler, but they’re not actually that much more expensive. Joc Pederson, Brandon Crawford, Sean Manaea, Alex Wood, and Ross Stripling all underperformed in 2023 and are now playing elsewhere.

14. Rangers ($214M to $226M, a 6% increase)

The World Series champs did their big shopping in the two offseasons before last year, and many of the core contributors from the 2023 roster are still with the team. The largest contract Texas gave out this free agency was Tyler Mahle’s two-year, $22 million deal, leading to a minimal increase in payroll.

15. Blue Jays ($215M to $226M, a 5% increase)

After missing out on Shohei Ohtani, the Blue Jays had a low-key offseason. Yariel Rodriguez signed for $32 million but started out in the minors to get stretched out, and rather than making big expenditures the team will instead be relying on improvements from stars like Vladimir Guerrero Jr.

16. Athletics ($59M to $61M, a 5% increase)

Well, at least their relative change is actually qualifying as a moderate increase? By absolute change, this is essentially nothing; their highest paid player is Ross Stripling, who’s earning $12.5 million, but the Giants are covering $3.25 million of that, meaning the A’s themselves aren’t paying a single player eight figures.

Largely Unchanged (Within 5% of their 2023 payroll)

17. Cardinals ($178M to $181M, a 1% increase)

The Redbirds got most of their offseason shopping out of the way early, locking down Sonny Gray, Kyle Gibson, and Lance Lynn before the Winter Meetings. The Gray deal is heavily backloaded, though, keeping things steady.

18. Guardians (steady at $98M, a 0.4% increase)

The Guardians will look to bounce back from a sub-.500 year with largely the same personnel.

19. Phillies (steady at $246M, a 0.2% decrease)

The Phillies tend to allocate their contracts evenly and will run it back with essentially the same squad that brought them to within one win of their second straight NL pennant.

20. Mariners ($140M to $139M, a 0.7% decrease)

Seattle made plenty of moves without adding payroll because, as you might have expected, trader Jerry Dipoto’s swaps kept the ledger pretty balanced.

The Moderate Slashers (between 5% and 10% decrease since 2023)

21. Mets ($346M to $324M, a 7% decrease)

The Mets’ payroll remains stratospheric, but nearly $70 million is money paid to other teams for James McCann, Justin Verlander, and Max Scherzer. They’re projected to be all the way down to $159 million in commitments for 2025, with no huge arbitration raises set to add to that significantly.

22.Tigers ($121M to $109M, a 10% decrease)

Don’t confuse cheaper with worse. The Tigers should be a much better team this year; they just no longer have Miguel Cabrera’s $32 million on the books.

23.Red Sox ($199M to $178M, a 10% decrease)

Boston’s offseason was many things, but full-throttle it wasn’t. Adding injury to insult, the team’s big free-agent addition, Lucas Giolito, will miss all of 2024 after undergoing UCL repair surgery.

24.Marlins ($110M to $99M, a 10% decrease)

Peter Bendix had a quiet first offseason with the Marlins, with Tim Anderson ($5 million) being his only free agent expenditure.

25.Brewers ($126M to $110M, a 13% decrease)

Milwaukee traded Corbin Burnes, brought back Brandon Woodruff on a reduced salary, and signed Rhys Hoskins to a backloaded contract that adds only $10 million to the 2024 payroll. Even so, the Brewers are 3–0 to start the season and should still contend for the NL Central title.

26.Rockies ($172M to $147M, a 15% decrease)

Colorado’s payments for Nolan Arenado went down from $21 million last year to $5 million this year, creating almost the entire difference. The team’s only free-agent additions were Jacob Stallings ($2 million) and Dakota Hudson ($1.5 million).

27.White Sox ($177M to $146M, an 18% decrease)

With Liam Hendriks, Yasmani Grandal, Tim Anderson, Elvis Andrus, Aaron Bummer, Mike Clevinger, and Dylan Cease all gone, the White Sox are dealing with a drastic decline in payroll and talent — two roster attributes that could continue to crater next offseason, when both Yoán Moncada and Eloy Jiménez could become free agents.

28.Angels ($215M to $174M, a 19% decrease)

The Angels ducked under the luxury tax threshold by just $30,000 after letting five players go on waivers last August, and they won’t come anywhere close this year. Anthony Rendon and Mike Trout alone combine for nearly 45% of that.

29.Twins ($159M to $128M, a 20% decrease)

Owner Jim Pohlad said payroll would go down, and it certainly did, even as the Twins look primed to repeat as AL Central champs. Carlos Santana ($5.25 million) was Minnesota’s “big” free agent signing.

30.Padres ($255M to $167M, a 34% decrease)

The Padres followed through on plans to bring payroll down to a more manageable level to come into compliance with MLB’s debt-servicing rules, and they didn’t replace Juan Soto in any meaningful way, either.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-of-the-order-lets-review-payrolls/

z_tbd, Monday, 1 April 2024 15:48 (one month ago) link

Kim Ng undoubtedly having the last laugh at the Marlins getting absolutely throttled at home by another bottom 20% team in MLB to start their season 0-7.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 21:19 (one month ago) link

The Marlins have a whole rotation on the IL!

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 21:35 (one month ago) link

Kim Ng undoubtedly having the last laugh at the Marlins getting absolutely throttled at home by another bottom 20% team in MLB to start their season 0-7.

― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, April 3, 2024 5:19 PM (twenty-two minutes ago)

she should be considering people are pinning the failures of a team she built on someone else

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 21:43 (one month ago) link

sasaki is probably going to the dodgers at a massive discount next offseason*:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/03/yankees-mets-dodgers-cardinals-among-teams-scouting-roki-sasaki.html

It’s no surprise, then, that several MLB teams are showing interest in Sasaski. However, the two-time NPB All-Star might have already decided where he wants to pitch in 2025 and beyond. According to Bob Nightengale of USA Today, “several GMs” are under the impression that Sasaki “already has plans to sign with the Dodgers” during the 2024-25 offseason.

According to one general manager, “There’s no way he’s going anywhere else but the Dodgers. We all know it.”

* maybe

While that particular comment was spoken in no uncertain terms, it also sounds more like conjecture than insider knowledge. Indeed, this entire report may be more speculation on the part of the executives than anything else. After all, at least seven teams besides the Dodgers are actively scouting Sasaski, and they wouldn’t be doing so if they didn’t think they had a chance to secure his services in the future. Moreover, even if Sasaki truly does have his sights set on the Dodgers, the rest of the league will still have an opportunity to change his mind.

z_tbd, Thursday, 4 April 2024 15:49 (one month ago) link

I wonder if he needs an intrepeter? I know a guy...

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 4 April 2024 15:53 (one month ago) link

Monty dropped Boras

LHP Jordan Montgomery has hired Wasserman’s Joel Wolfe & Nick Chanock as his agents, per sources.

Montgomery was one of the Boras Four, who were unsigned late into free agency.

I projected he would get 5 yrs, $106M and he eventually signed for 1 yr, $25M w/Arizona on March 26.

— Kiley McDaniel (@kileymcd) April 11, 2024

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 11 April 2024 16:58 (one month ago) link

i would have too

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 11 April 2024 21:39 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

Kudos to gyac and the others who saw the Sale trade as potentially a good thing for Atlanta--he's been their most durable starter so far and is pitching well. Checked Grissom, and he's having a good season in the minors--and is on the verge of being brought up--but Sale has really helped fill the void created by Strider's injury. I'm even starting to wonder if he can get his HOF case back on track--I've got like seven rookie cards! He'd really have to have a four- or five-year run and pitch till he's 40.

clemenza, Thursday, 2 May 2024 17:04 (two weeks ago) link

Grissom is going to debut Friday after being struck down by the flu virus ripping through the Woosox (Red Sox triple A team) clubhouse. Anyway Sale has been great, but like Glasnow, the problem isn’t if he can be great, it’s can he stay healthy.

Anyway excited to see Grissom when he finally debuts, the 2B spot has been a dead zone for production all season (apart from when Connor Wong plays there)

Btw clem I am sorry for ignoring your email the other day but I was sick and in and out of sleep and just remembered it now!

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 2 May 2024 17:16 (two weeks ago) link

Also I should point out Grissom should have started the season on the big league team but he picked up a hamstring strain in spring training and was rehabbing in triple A to make up for the lost time.

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 2 May 2024 17:19 (two weeks ago) link

Seems weird to say that when his two highest paid teammates were flying cross country for literal months driving up their own pay by leveraging the demand from other teams, and one of them gave a deal to same team to stack a roster around him…some free agents aren’t in high demand full stop and others simply aren’t getting what they’re after. Snell was reported to be asking for $270m for 9 years, not that many teams that could pay that want to (0 at this count). I heard the Yankees made him an offer before they signed Stroman but at this stage taking on Snell on even an shorter contract with higher aav for example when they are over the highest tax threshold means they’re paying double for him. That’s an ask.

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, March 1, 2024 8:01 AM (two months ago) bookmarkflaglink

Snell for nine(!) years at $270 million(!!) -- it's nice to dream big and i guess it only takes one sucker. weird to say that about a two-time Cy winner he's dancing on a knife's edge, feel like he could tilt over into an annual 4.50 ERA guy vv fast.

― omar little, Friday, March 1, 2024 9:53 AM (two months ago) bookmarkflaglink

seems very difficult to have a -0.6 bWAR through only 11.2 IP but Blake has done it.

omar little, Thursday, 2 May 2024 17:25 (two weeks ago) link

Ikr, it’s early but it looks bad, he’s probably not going to pitch a start till late May/June now. Who knows.

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 2 May 2024 17:34 (two weeks ago) link

Also early, but Jordan Hicks’ success as a SP so far has really surprised me too!

z_tbd, Thursday, 2 May 2024 17:45 (two weeks ago) link

A lot of Jays fans, me included, were clamoring for him to be given the closer role last year ahead of Romano.

clemenza, Thursday, 2 May 2024 18:13 (two weeks ago) link

Grissom is going to debut Friday after being struck down by the flu virus ripping through the Woosox (Red Sox triple A team) clubhouse.

I love someone with deep enthusiasm and knowledge, gyac, but you've become a total sicko :)

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Thursday, 2 May 2024 18:19 (two weeks ago) link

I’m not even joking but like

The other night I was following a game on my phone and the following conversation took place

ILX USER SHARIVARI: what game are you watching? Who are the Sea Dogs?
Me: the Red Sox double A team? You know, with the big three?
IUS: I don’t know
Me: Mayer, Teel, Anthony? Roman Anthony?
IUS: I can’t believe you deny being a Red Sox fan

😞

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 2 May 2024 18:34 (two weeks ago) link

Clemenza high on Sale after one month is peak... something.

As gyac notes, his health his paramount factor. Sale has only pitched 187 IP from 2020-2024 (3.84 ERA/3.9 cumulative fWAR for that span).

Compared to workhorses like Wheeler, Burnes, Nola, Webb, Gausman, Castillo who all *each* have pitched 640-690IP over that same span, all with lower ERAs and amassing between 14.5 - 20.7 fWAR between each of them...

I'm wondering if he may even have an innings limit due to lack of endurance. Will be curious what happens in July if miraculously he's still healthy and Atlanta is in the hunt.

Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 2 May 2024 18:36 (two weeks ago) link

I actually think the Strider injury makes Sale’s health far more important than it might otherwise have necessitated; the Braves got a highest-ceiling starter with health being the main thing holding him back in exchange for a player who was blocked from their team. Now thankfully Fried seems to have pulled out of his early season nosedive but yeah, Sale staying healthy until at least the deadline has become extremely necessary in a way that it wasn’t when he signed.

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 2 May 2024 18:45 (two weeks ago) link

Agreed to terms on a lifetime contract with the @Mets, with a signing bonus of extra biscuits. I will now open it up for questions. pic.twitter.com/74f7WHM1Yh

— Buddy (@MetsVetDog) May 3, 2024

H.P, Saturday, 4 May 2024 02:23 (one week ago) link

There's also other action on the stove regarding a certain .400 hitter.

H.P, Saturday, 4 May 2024 02:25 (one week ago) link

Clemenza high on Sale after one month is peak... something.

Oh, I know, I'm jumping the gun as always. I just wasn't sure if he'd be effective at all, for even a few starts. His ERA since his last good year in 2018 was over 4.00 coming into 2024, and he's a year older. I definitely didn't expect him to be leading the Braves in IP, even just barely into May.

clemenza, Saturday, 4 May 2024 02:33 (one week ago) link

Maybe they'll have to literally sit him down for a month if they view him as key to post-season success.

clemenza, Saturday, 4 May 2024 02:35 (one week ago) link

Friars get Arraez, fish get Dillon Head, Woo Suk-Go, Jakob Marsee and Nathan Martorella.

Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 4 May 2024 13:53 (one week ago) link

I'm a real Dillon Head... I even like the early '80s albums

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Saturday, 4 May 2024 19:02 (one week ago) link

Lol

H.P, Saturday, 4 May 2024 23:22 (one week ago) link


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