The Stooges vs. Black Sabbath

Funhouse is one deadass record

birmingham? northern? pah :)

If you didn't like the song Black Sabbath off the 1st album you might want to just give up listening to them.

WHERE THE FUCK IS BIRMINGHAM IS IT MIDLANDS

yeh. the BLACK COUNTRY.

it's one of many parts of england i'm not familiar with at all, but i find the fact it gets such a universally bad rep intriguing, and want to check it out.

the brummie accent is also responsible for one of my favourite-ever TV jokes: the cup of tea/kipper tie thing in the grimleys, many years ago, which no-one else (except my dad) finds funny.

oh! according to wikipedia, birmingham itself isn't actually part of the black country. fuck's sake.

I voted Stooges, but I think I just need to get over not being able to take Sabbath seriously. I mean, I like wizards and sci fi, so it should be cool in music. But I recently bought scratchy copies of Black Sabbath, Paranoid and Vol 4 for a pound each to try and remedy this, and they are great in places - And Supernaut is INCREDIBLE.

The lyrics are a bit forced, though, with odd rhythms, and weird structures to try and get things to rhyme. Whereas whatever their content, the rhythm of Iggy's words, and the incredible poise with which he delivers them, is just perfect.

Love them both, though.

one of the big problems now for people taking sabbath seriously is bloody ozzy. as my sabbath-obsessed mate once put it: "imagine if ian curtis hadn't hanged himself, but had gone on to do a reality TV show with debbie."

scratchy copies of Black Sabbath, Paranoid and Vol 4 for a pound each

ha, my original scratchy copy of "masters of reality" was 33p from reptile in edinburgh :)

But you don't have to take them seriously to like them!

is it me or are we seeing some weird continental split here where the Brits are all voting for the Stooges and the Americans are all voting for Sabbath...?

(cuz no one in America gives a shit whether Birmingham is in the black country or not)

I'm a Brit, I voted Sabs. I may be the exception that proves the rule tho...

sabbath for me, I rarely listen to the stooges though I like them well enough I guess.

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another brit here, another sabbath vote.

er ... yeh, i'll be british, no?

This is all just fashion and anti-fashion.

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/86/41/051c90b809a0ad9b11996110._AA240_.L.jpg

stooges, easy

rockin

That Paris concert from '70 is awesome. Here's Hand of Doom:

This is all just fashion and anti-fashion.

― Hinklepicker, Thursday, 9 October 2008 21:30 (Yesterday)

impenetrable

They're both in fashion right now depending on who you ask!

Thank you B.Magill, it's beyond awesome-- simultaneously timeless and foundational. Is that the version from "Past Lives"?

American voting for Stooges right here!

by the way,

"Supernaut" vs. _____________ (by the Stooges)?

"I'll stick it deep inside, I'll stick it deep inside..."

"Is that the version from "Past Lives"?

I believe so. Note the different lyrics from the "Paranoid" version.

2 days to go. has it all been said already?

Thanks Magill for the Hands of Doom clip. Really hitting the spot right now.

I always hoped that one day I would have this epiphany that would make think "oh my god I need to have all the Sabbath albums RIGHT NOW" but alas, though I have owned a few of their albums, this moment has not yet occured. I have a great and deep respect for them, however.

Stooges "Funhouse" still stomps all over them, though. Sorry, guys.

2 days to go. has it all been said already?

not until I post sabbath's "paranoid" from the paris concert

just about my favorite piece of live footage ever

Is that the version from "Past Lives"?

these tracks on past lives are from the paris '70 show

"Hand of Doom"
"Iron Man"
"Black Sabbath"
"N.I.B."
"Behind the Wall of Sleep"
"Fairies Wear Boots"

paris '70 "war pigs" also pleasantly punishing

And they're all on You Tube, right, those Paris songs you listed?

"Black Sabbath" the song will always be my fave, I think. Surely that is where goth began? I understand the love for "Supernaut", though.

for those still puzzling over why some bloated metal band from the 70s is challenging the almighty stooges, the paris '70 show demonstrates the simple fact that underneath all the fat, all the drugs, all the satanic paraphanalia, all the platinum records, all the overblown stage sets, all the bad production jobs thrown at them, all the conversion vans in parking lots around the world belching gusts of reefer smoke and endless bloozey gtr solos, at the core sabbath was 4 guys who could turn it the fuck out in a very real + direct way.

zeppelin and a lot of other metal bands relied on the studio to provide similar otherworldly rock gravitas, but sabbath was mainlining from the source, like their amps were plugged directly into the earth.

it's the shared simplicity of intentions/of expression that make this poll both a natural and a bedevilment.

And they're all on You Tube, right, those Paris songs you listed?

probably... I think this is the paris '70 setlist, but for some reason I remember "black sabbath" being in there somewhere?

1. Paranoid
2. Hand of Doom
3. Iron Man
4. Black Sabbath
5. N.I.B.
6. Behind the Wall of Sleep
7. War Pigs
8. Fairies Wear Boots

this show is infamous cuz no one remembers where it occurred, or the actual date, which is odd since it was professionaly filmed. london? paris? belgium? dec 19? dec 20? who knows. I just wish they'd get around to doing a proper cleaned up dvd release.

oh look, there's "black sabbath" at number 4. I don't think that's the right order. anyway, happy hunting.

zeppelin and a lot of other metal bands relied on the studio to provide similar otherworldly rock gravitas, but sabbath was mainlining from the source, like their amps were plugged directly into the earth.

Okay, woah, woah, woah. Put the gun down, stop right now. I purposely did not mention Zeppelin in my post and I expect the same from others. We are not going to put Zeppelin against Sabbath because Zep will win, and rightly so. But I told you I didn't want to open that particular can of worms.

Anyway I am gonna seek out "Black Sabbath" on You Tube right now. Thanks.

"We are not going to put Zeppelin against Sabbath because Zep will win, and rightly so."

Not in my house!

when I invoked zep I didn't really want to rehash me + shakey mo's showdown on the FIRST FOUR Led Zeppelin albums vs. FIRST FOUR Black Sabbath albums thread... but to satisfy the tender constitutions of you zeppelin fans, my statement could be read as "when sabbath did what sabbath does best, they out-heavied everybody in the game with a lot more natural grace then they are given credit for."

(kinda like the stooges)

final exhibit... at the other end of the spectrum, sabbath mach I enters heat death. ozzy's voice has been ravaged by drug and drink, the backdrop's a cartoony skull, they are seriously getting their spinal tap on. but still, that primal undertow.

watching this I get how stooges fans could find sabbath fascistic and oppressive... it also makes me wonder, if the stooges had sold as many copies of funhouse as sabbath did of paranoid, would they have ended up in any better shape?

that clip's from '78 btw

Ed III kicking all sorts of ass on this thread.

Ozzy has no voice in that "Symptom.." clip, but the band sounds heavy as hell.

like their amps were plugged directly into the earth.

I like this idea/imagery.

o hai thanks guys

love em both but I voted stooges. sabbath has more songs I like, more albums I like, more consistent albums, I care way more about bands inspired by sabbath, the list goes on... but I just like funhouse more than any sabbath record. or most other records period. had to go with my heart.

my vote is cast. sabbath.

Thanks Edward III for the wonderful videos. Iommi's guitar in "Symptom of the Universe" puts me in a state of bliss .

Symptom vs. Supernaut? You decide!!!

I wanna reach out and touch this guy.

touch: "shake hands" or "strangle"?

I know I got slightly gnarly on you on the Sublime thread, but Ned rly you're one of my favorite ILXers!

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Funhouse is a better album than anything Sabbath did, but just counting the original version of Sabbath, they did a whole lot more really killer music. The first Stooges album is cool, but it really a padded EP and Raw Power is a bit different sounding band when you add in James Williamson.

love em both but I voted stooges. sabbath has more songs I like, more albums I like, more consistent albums, I care way more about bands inspired by sabbath, the list goes on... but I just like funhouse more than any sabbath record. or most other records period. had to go with my heart.

― Alan N, miércoles 15 de octubre de 2008 20:59

duh. You're supposed to be voting for the best band in the poll not the best record.

the moment of truth is nigh!