The Stooges vs. Black Sabbath

Sabbath are Frankenstein's monster lumbering dementedly through the wastes; the Stooges are all about that one high-voltage shock applied to the rotting cadaver.

this is a real toughie. love them both.

it's possibly easier to intellectually justify a stooges vote, but my gut instinct is to vote for sabbath. the thought of never hearing 'black sabbath', 'supernaut' or 'into the void' ever again is just too painful to countenance.

second, there's no way that the stooges could ever have made anything as weirdly wonderful as 'supertzar'.

on the other hand, 'TV eye' is pretty much unassailable on every level.

ultimately it comes down to feral vs. massive. massive for the win.

Well, as Black Sabbath are shitty heavy metal and The Stooges are just brilliant, I guess it'd have to be the latter. :-)

God Sabbath're dull

Blah blah lumber lumber we're from Birmingham don't blame us

Searing critical insight, guys.

I'd have thought the leader of the doom patrol might feel more of an affinity with sabbath.

The Stooges at least admit the possibility of crisis; Sabbath exist in an unchanging dimension of contant doom. BAH

Sabbath exist in an unchanging dimension of contant doom

you say it like that's a bad thing.

And it's not true. Have you heard Into The Void or Supernaut? Total "set the controls for the heart of the sun" stuff, not depressing at all.

Bit like Gordon Brown

NC the character was into 'crisis' as an agent of change/growth type thing. I think he'd prefer the Stooges, if he had time to do anything as silly as listen to popular music

OK, maybe Sabbath is a class thing - for some people.

How do you work that out?

"we're from Birmingham don't blame us"

What's that got to do with class though? That's more about Birmingham being perceived as a boring shithole.

Well, that's how I read it

Yeah it didn't have anything to do with class. Would've been the same if they'd been from Oxford or Liverpool.

But not Detroit?

Isn't Ann Arbor quite nice tho?

Yeah sure, but I think Sabbath come from England. Point is they made music that bores me, so I made fun of their boring roots. Stooges came from Ann Arbor anyway

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"I'm American, btw"

Me? I'm not. To say the least. I do wonder if my loathing for Sabbath is all due to buying the first album and hating it, tho. Should I give like Vol 4 a go? Do they get more LIMBER?

OK, I'm being unduly sensitive about being grim and Northern.

Both bands came out of pretty tough backgrounds though, which is another thing they have in common.

Sorry bad zing above! Vol 4 is a great record, yes. Masters Of Reality is also arguably more groovy than their earlier records.

Although the "lumbering" tag is wrong IMHO- the rhythm section on (say) "The Wizard" SWINGS!

Dude, most of my fav bands're grim and northern! xpost ok I should give that one a go, cos man I like SO many bands that rip Sabbath off... still vote Stooges tho xxpost NO IT DOESN'T or maybe I was distracted by being annoyed that he was singing about a fucking wizard. It lifts a little, I suppose.

grim and Northern

birmingham? northern? pah :)

i'd say try Sabotage instead; it may not be the densest slab of Sab available, but it probably is the most versatile (and best).

xxxxp

Sabbath are Frankenstein's monster lumbering dementedly through the wastes; the Stooges are all about that one high-voltage shock applied to the rotting cadaver.

This is aces!

I should prob just get all three and DEAL WITH THEM

Birmingham is not the North!

xpost yes it is, but it ignores that the Stooges're kinda both/xxpost WHERE THE FUCK IS BIRMINGHAM IS IT MIDLANDS

Funhouse is one deadass record

birmingham? northern? pah :)

If you didn't like the song Black Sabbath off the 1st album you might want to just give up listening to them.

WHERE THE FUCK IS BIRMINGHAM IS IT MIDLANDS

yeh. the BLACK COUNTRY.

it's one of many parts of england i'm not familiar with at all, but i find the fact it gets such a universally bad rep intriguing, and want to check it out.

the brummie accent is also responsible for one of my favourite-ever TV jokes: the cup of tea/kipper tie thing in the grimleys, many years ago, which no-one else (except my dad) finds funny.

oh! according to wikipedia, birmingham itself isn't actually part of the black country. fuck's sake.

I voted Stooges, but I think I just need to get over not being able to take Sabbath seriously. I mean, I like wizards and sci fi, so it should be cool in music. But I recently bought scratchy copies of Black Sabbath, Paranoid and Vol 4 for a pound each to try and remedy this, and they are great in places - And Supernaut is INCREDIBLE.

The lyrics are a bit forced, though, with odd rhythms, and weird structures to try and get things to rhyme. Whereas whatever their content, the rhythm of Iggy's words, and the incredible poise with which he delivers them, is just perfect.

Love them both, though.

one of the big problems now for people taking sabbath seriously is bloody ozzy. as my sabbath-obsessed mate once put it: "imagine if ian curtis hadn't hanged himself, but had gone on to do a reality TV show with debbie."

scratchy copies of Black Sabbath, Paranoid and Vol 4 for a pound each

ha, my original scratchy copy of "masters of reality" was 33p from reptile in edinburgh :)

But you don't have to take them seriously to like them!

is it me or are we seeing some weird continental split here where the Brits are all voting for the Stooges and the Americans are all voting for Sabbath...?

(cuz no one in America gives a shit whether Birmingham is in the black country or not)

I'm a Brit, I voted Sabs. I may be the exception that proves the rule tho...

sabbath for me, I rarely listen to the stooges though I like them well enough I guess.

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another brit here, another sabbath vote.

er ... yeh, i'll be british, no?

This is all just fashion and anti-fashion.

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stooges, easy

rockin