Rolling Teenpop 2006 Thread

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from an article in the Tacoma News-Tribune on most-anticipated albums of 2006:

"12. Skye Sweetnam, untitled (June 20): This is not necessarily an endorsement – just fair warning regarding which bubble-gum rocker the preteen at your house will likely be obsessed with this summer – you know, the shorty you already took to see Ashlee Simpson, Avril Lavigne and Hilary Duff."

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:16 (8 years ago) Permalink

"There was this huge poster of a kid squeezing his bloody zit into a drink! We realized it was a new slushy called the 'Bloody Zit!' We had to try it! What's twisted is that you can sprinkle 'Oily Blackheads' and 'Scabs' into the drink! They're like sour candy! Mmmm but at the same time it's kind of gross!"
—Skye Sweetnam, from her myspace page, which you can find here.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

Skye's someone who would fit in easily posting on ILX.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

In terms of Max Martin rock action, let us not forget The Veronicas' awesome "4 Eva".

It would not have been possible for me to forget it, in that this is the first I'd ever heard of it.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

Taking sides: the Archies vs. the Veronicas.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

>Speaking of Rooney, whatever happened to Damone?<


Ha, this just came in the email:

>

DAMONE RE-EMERGES FROM BOSTON ’BURBS WITH ISLAND RECORDS DEBUT
6-WEEK TOUR WITH LESS THAN JAKE BEGINS JANUARY 18th IN ATLANTA
5-song EP, “Out Here All Night,” making waves in advance of 2006 summer release
(January 3, 2006 – New York, NY) Damone is coming! After a recent local Boston show, The Boston Globe hailed Damone as the band that was “born for arenas and is simply biding it's time until it gets to headline in them.,” In advance of their long-awaited second album and first for Island Records, with a 2006 summer release, Damone hits the road for six weeks of shows with Less Than Jake, opening January 18th at the Masquerade in Atlanta.

Damone – charismatic lead singer and guitarist Noelle, Dustin Hengst (drums, vocals), Vazquez (bass, vocals), and Mike Woods (lead guitars, vocals) – took their sweet time putting the pieces back together over the past couple years and the early results are catching the ears of savvy programmers and rock cognoscenti via the Out Here All Night EP. The 5-song sampler – “Out Here All Night,” “What We Came Here For,” “Get Up And Go,” “Never Getting Mine (demo),” and “Time and Time Again” – serves notice that Damone has not lost its flair for “unbelievably hook-laden rock songs,” as CMJ raved back in the day.

Instilled with a strong love of ’80s glam-metal, some Runaways/Joan Jett-size girl-rock (to see Noelle in action is to believe), big Marshall stack guitar solos and badass attitude, Damone is all about the joy and excess of rock.

With the help of legendary mixing engineers Tom Lord-Alge (U2, Weezer, Marilyn Manson) and Mike Shipley (Def Leppard, Green Day, Andrew WK) putting the finishing touches on their upcoming self produced album, Damone has created a timeless piece of rock’n’roll, ready to be sandwiched in a “rock block” of Guns ’N Roses, Queen and AC/DC. “For me,” says newest member Mike Woods, “the story should go this way: it looked like it was going to end, quite literally for some of us, but it didn’t, so we made a kick-ass record and took over the world.”

For further information on Damone go to www.DAMONE.net<

xhuxk, Friday, 6 January 2006 17:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

more kick-ass news: THIS comes out february 6

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:38 (8 years ago) Permalink

my daughter made a mix cd of her favorite tunes, and fefe's "stupid little love song" was the opening song. i'll post the full tracklist of her mix later, but it's by far the new most-played disc in the house, along with the hairspray soundtrack and b-52's first album.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:40 (8 years ago) Permalink

Skye Sweetnam's Influences: "Barbie Dolls, fairies and their tales. “The Nightmare Before Christmas,” Danny Elfman, Johnny Depp and Tim Burton… together! Candy, DIY kids. Harajuku girls, Queen Street rockers and my grandma’s closet. Tank Girl, Jet Girl, and Sub Girl, heavy machinery rocks! Comic books, graffiti, notebook scribbles and Pirates. I love Gaudi’s architecture, Gloomy by Mori Chack and pretending I’m going to be a princess when I grow up! I love almost every single kind of music out there... let me name some of my favorites! I want to have a career like Mrs. Gwen Stefani, you know she can do anything! I like Green Day, almost all Pantra, some Zeppelin and Nirvana. Some Tegan and Sara, Mars Volta, Max Martin Songs- Gotta love “Hit Me Baby One More Time…”. Weezer's Blue Album, "Back in the Mud" by Bubba Sparxxx, Outkast's hits, ALL NOFX, Lagwagon, Pennywise and Clutch songs. The Police yo! Coldplay- but I haven't met anyone who doesn't like them. Canadian bands Billy Talent, Death From Above 1979, Propagandhi, Metric. I like some Incubus, The Distillers, Rancid, QOTSA, Angel Dust by Faith No More, "When the Pawn..." by Fiona Apple and Esthero's Wikked Little Grrls. That’s just what I’m into right now.. The list goes on."


Who are "Pantra"? Does she mean "Pantera"? "Tantra"?? Also, I hope she covers "Back in the Mud" on her new album!

xhuxk, Friday, 6 January 2006 17:43 (8 years ago) Permalink

I'm hoping for a "Cassandra Geminni/Bombs Over Baghdad" medley, myself. Skye and Fefe and Avril make me want to move to Canada for realz.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:48 (8 years ago) Permalink

That Fefe cover is kind of great.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

Damone in comeback! Well, I'll have to be around for that.

>>Instilled with a strong love of ’80s glam-metal, some Runaways/Joan >>Jett-size girl-rock (to see Damone's Noelle in action is to >>believe), big >>Marshall stack guitar solos and badass attitude, >>Damone is all >>about the joy and excess of rock.

Damone was so not Marshall stack and guitar solo on their debut. And if it had been more like Joan Jett, I would have actually liked it. And she was as badass as my housecats. Nothing wrong with that, but geeez.

>>With the help of legendary mixing engineers Tom Lord-Alge (U2, >>Weezer, Marilyn Manson) and Mike Shipley (Def Leppard, Green Day, >>Andrew WK) putting the finishing touches on their upcoming self >>produced album, Damone has created a timeless piece of rock’n’roll, >>ready to be sandwiched in a “rock block” of Guns ’N Roses, Queen >>and AC/DC.

Ha-ha. I don't get the reverse in adsmanship. Damone's never going to pass as a bunch of heavy rockers. What's wrong with being what they were and just improving it with, like, some passion in those songs?

This blurb reminds me of the blurb that was being peddled with Hanson's live album. "Guitar brutality!" it was said, excerpted from a review from USA Today or Entertainment Weekly. So I asked for a review copy. Big mistake.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 6 January 2006 17:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

on the new album
fefe works with matthew wilder
and joan jett RAWK

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:04 (8 years ago) Permalink

Wow. Hey, wow. I am flipping over this Amy Diamond stuff.

Hillary Brown (Hillary Brown), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:07 (8 years ago) Permalink

Frank are there any other Hillary songs like "Come Clean" and "Fly"? I love those so much.

I don't know. Nothing else on Most Wanted comes close. You should try Lindsay Lohan's "I Live for the Day," which is doing something very different (a vengeance rocker, basically, and joyous on its vengeful terms), and oddly enough is one of the few Lohan songs that Kara DioGuardi has no hand in, but it nonetheless has the same reverbed-mystery-lament feel. And then you should try Ashlee's "I Am Me," which is even more of a ferocious Dance Of The Woman Scorned and so is even farther in intent from "Fly"'s tremulous beauty ache - but buried in the song's melody (especially during the dancing-on-your-grave ending) the beauty is there, aching. Which isn't altogether surprising, given that Kara DioGuardi and John Shanks are among the song's writers, and John Shanks is its producer.

So, Tim F., if you're worried that by going for Lindsay and Ashlee you'll be diluting your love for Hilary, you should instead conceive this as expanding your love outward via Shanks and DioGuardi.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:31 (8 years ago) Permalink

I need to explore S&D further, but one thing I've noticed is that when song credits add the name "Simpson" to "Shanks" and "DioGuardi," the emotional complication of the lyrics increases 10x.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

The new Fefe doesn't bode well, 'Don't let it go to your head', which is unfortunately bland and nothing near the synth awesomeness of 'Don't Go (Boys and Girls). And Skye is pretty impressive - Hypocrite for one, which i poptexted a while back and people loved.

Abby (abby mcdonald), Friday, 6 January 2006 19:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

I won't believe you
Abby till I hear the whole
Fefe for myself

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

"Hypocrite" is the best track on Noise from the Basement! To get all Brooks & Warren on you guys, one of the great moments is when she uses a comic poetic device called "forced scansion" to make her funniest line even funnier:

Some will say that I'm counterfeit
But I will be who I want to
Some will look at me and vomit
But I will do what I want to

Which is extra funny because to make "vomit" fit the meter and rhyme you have to mispronounce it, which she does but without hamming up the mispronunciation. I think she lifted this comic device from that Billy S. guy she likes so much.

Also, in a behind-the-scenes making-of-the-video short for "Tangled Up in Me" she demonstrated to us how they prepared the instruments for the shoot, so she's showing us the muffles they put on the drums; then she turns to the camera and silently mouths "We're not really playing our instruments" to the camera, as if imparting a great but confidential secret.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:42 (8 years ago) Permalink

Er, "I will do what I want to" was "I will look how I want to."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:43 (8 years ago) Permalink

>if anybody's interested, Lindsay Lohan does "I Want You To Want Me" better than Cheap Trick ever did<

I'm listening to clips of some of these on itunes. Sounds like a bigger production and she's got a good singing voice, but is it as ... believable or something? Does it not just kind of sound like some covers band doing a kind of average/blah assortment of songs, but dressed up in the studio?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

Not believable because it's dressed up, or not believable because it's a covers band? (And why would neither of those be believable?)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:45 (8 years ago) Permalink

No, not believable because I'm not convinced that she was really passionate about doing a cover of "I Want You to Want Me."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

We went to Disneyland not too long ago and there was a cover band playing at the Buzz Light Year thing in Tomorrowland playing "Love Shack" and stuff. It reminds me of them. (OMG I just remembered that they played "I Want You to Want Me!")

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

Wait...so you don't really think she wants him to want her?

xhuxk, Friday, 6 January 2006 21:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

(Listening to a 30-second clip (which is too short to tell me enough) of Ashlee Simpson's "L.O.V.E. (Missy Underground Mix)": Ashlee's sunniest song, so Missy gives it minor keys and power chords and doomy thumps on the tom and Asian carnival streamers dive-bombing in the rear.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

Doesn't it kind of seem like playacting? xp

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:59 (8 years ago) Permalink

I mean, part of my point in what Tim just quoted is that Cheap Trick's version was never all that great from the gitgo. I doubt LL could do a better version of "He's A Whore" or "Surrender" or "I Love You Honey But I Hate Your Friends" or "She's Tight" or "The House is Rockin' (With Domestic Problems)." But Cheap Trick's version of "I Want You To Want Me" always sounded perfunctory in the first place! She's more believable than they ever were, which isn't saying much.

xhuxk, Friday, 6 January 2006 22:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

And maybe not so coincidental that a lot of these stars are actresses, too?

xp - I always thought of Cheap Trick's version as a kind of believable '50s nostalgia. believable because it was about '50s rock and roll as a very rocking music! I think it's quite dynamite.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

Chuck and Tim, the question is whether you think she wants you to want her. I'm convinced that she wants everyone to want her.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

Guys, she wrote a song about being a drama queen!

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:04 (8 years ago) Permalink

Ha, I always thought Cheap Trick's '50s nostalgia ("All Shook Up," "Ain't That a Shame") sounded totally perfunctory too. So maybe that explains it. Lindsay also does more interesting covers than them. (Though they were pretty great covering Move songs, I guess.)

xhuxk, Friday, 6 January 2006 22:11 (8 years ago) Permalink

OK, folks, in further attempts to define the "Fly" sound I will need your adjectival assistance: so far I've used "haunted," "haunting," "gorgeous," "melancholy," "catchy," "heartbreaking beauty," "reverbed-mystery-lament feel," and "aching." That pretty much leaves "ghostly," and then I'm all out of words. (Noun assistance in regard to "beauty" would also be appreciated.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:14 (8 years ago) Permalink

Also from the country thread (featuring the word "heartbreaking"):

Speaking of Cougar rocks - though this is off-topic - last week I listened to Jessica Simpson's "I Think I'm In Love With You" for the first time in four years. It's the one that samples the brief bass-guitar fillip from "Jack and Diane" and otherwise is a basic dance-r&b number where she shows off Mariah melismas. It's likable, since she's willing to make the notes fluffy (which isn't to say that she fluffs any of the notes). But what's amazing is the Peter Rauhofer Club Mix that's included on the single. No Cougar notes, just driving, ominous techno and Jessica's "I think I'm in love"s sounding icy but heartbreaking, darting up and down above the jagged synths. Might as well be a totally different song.

(In general, I'm not one of these guys who says, "No, you gotta hear the remix.")

-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), December 28th, 2005. (Frank Kogan)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:19 (8 years ago) Permalink

here are some words for frank and hilary: "saudade" (the portuguese/brazilian word for the happiness in sadness and vice versa), "wistful," "doomladen," "goth-blasted," "coked-up," "cynical"

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:19 (8 years ago) Permalink

all the pop girls sound like holly & the italians these days but I think they're actually trying to sound more like "since u been gone"

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:23 (8 years ago) Permalink

"Girlfriend" doesn't Cougar-rock at all, Frank; it Abba-rocks! And I just prefer "Jack and Diane" to "Does Your Mother Know," I guess. Though I love them both. And in the long run, I may regret not voting for Hope's album (which three P&J voters did, though I can't say who.)

And yeah, she's 17 (and I think the songwriting is often really good).

Mikael Wood's appraisal of her, Brie Larsen, etc, can be found here:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0552,wood,71326,22.html

And the fact that she picked peas on her family farm in Tennesse is pretty country, I guess! Perhaps country fans will eventually agree.


-- xhuxk (xedd...), December 28th, 2005.


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Hope Paltrow is far too pretty to remain in the peapatch, for sure.
-- edd s hurt (eddshur...), December 28th, 2005. (ddduncan)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:24 (8 years ago) Permalink

And I've used "tremulous beauty ache" too.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:27 (8 years ago) Permalink

By the way, sorry to keep bringing this back to Cheap Trick (though
"Surrender" IS one of the best songs ever about being a teenager, so there), but Rick Neilson appears on the new Revolting Cocks CD, which is unlistenable, and his photo on the inner gatefold makes him look much younger than Gibby Hayes and Al Jourgensen and Jello Biafra, all of whom appear there also, and appear to be about 80 years old apiece.

xhuxk, Friday, 6 January 2006 22:29 (8 years ago) Permalink

I didn't think Lindsay;s version (I want you to want me) was anywhere near as good/popjoyful as the Letters to Cleo version from a few years back!

Abby (abby mcdonald), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:45 (8 years ago) Permalink

the only part of lindsay's version I can see as superior is the percussion. I like the clatter. I definitely prefer the Zander vocal.

'Twan (miccio), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:50 (8 years ago) Permalink

Hey, frank, what do you think of Evanescence?

'Twan (miccio), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:51 (8 years ago) Permalink

zander's vocal is probably less 'believable' but I can enjoy his vocal on a simple musical level in a way I don't dig Lohan's. But I think I'm looking for something different than Kogeddy are.

'Twan (miccio), Friday, 6 January 2006 23:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

I've somehow avoided exposure to the Amy Diamond phenomenon completely (before this thread), which is a bit strange since that single was top 10 in Norway for 18 weeks!

Unfortunately, on first listen, it triggers loads of "naff" detectors in me – I think it's because being from "the rest of Europe" (ie not UK and probably Ireland), I've heard loads of terrible Euro stuff employing that not-actually-proper-reggae device, and associate it with Lame Continental Backwaterism. (Examples that have crossed over into UK/US(?) are "Live Is Life" by Opus and "Susanna" by "The Art Company".)

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Friday, 6 January 2006 23:46 (8 years ago) Permalink

Rick Neilson appears on the new Revolting Cocks CD, which is unlistenable, and his photo on the inner gatefold makes him look much younger than Gibby Hayes and Al Jourgensen and Jello Biafraa

He more than made up for it on that DVD I reviewed early last year, where he looked like someone's scary old grandmother. It's those sweaters. I never liked "I Want You to Want Me" on "In Color" and even less on the Japanese album. There Zander says this song is called "I --- Want -- You --- To ---- Want ---- Meee" like he's talking to retards and lots of small children. I could never get it out of my head. Irritating.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 6 January 2006 23:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, both versions kinda reeked. They were a weird group, because they could be so great (and, uh, so weird), but sometimes I really felt they were knowingly pandering and condescending to some imaginary lowest common denominator audience--and I almost never say that about *anybody*, so they must have hit a nerve, somehow. I dunno, maybe the spoon-feedy stuff was aimed at their English as a second language fans. The way I felt about those '50s covers is probably close to how some folks feel about smashmouth now.

xhuxk, Saturday, 7 January 2006 00:41 (8 years ago) Permalink

when did this "oooh grr smashmouth" thing happen

'Twan (miccio), Saturday, 7 January 2006 00:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

ha ha you don't have teenage kids, 'twan

xhuxk, Saturday, 7 January 2006 00:59 (8 years ago) Permalink

actually, though, smashmouth are some kind of unique case, since at some time they (or at least it seemed they) started doing *only* cover songs for little-kiddie movies, and every kiddie movie wound up having an obligatory smashmouth cover. i sort of respect their utter don't-give-a-shit lack of integrity myself; the singer's a big fat ugly guy, and it's nice to some big fat ugly guys can still make money in this biz, and it's kind of cool how they found their niche. and it seems like they'll basically cover *anything*, not just ? and the mysterians and war and the monkees -- i mean, you can't sink much lower than "ain't gettin nothin for christmas," I don't think. and for all i know, some of their covers are totally great. supposedly they did an all-christmas-covers album available only on the net, including the kinks' "father christmas" and something by the sonics and i forget what else. i'd be curious to hear if it's any good. not curious enough to seek it out myself, though.

xhuxk, Saturday, 7 January 2006 01:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i totally get why young people might hate them once they started dancing with shrek, but that doesn't seem like the kind of thing you guys would hold against them. i pretty much like all their big hits and I've heard some respectable album tracks too (though i'm tempted to say that the debut is OVERrated, since the only people who talk about it pretend they never did anything good after).

'Twan (miccio), Saturday, 7 January 2006 01:22 (8 years ago) Permalink


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