Rolling Late-60's/Early-70's Thud-Rock Thread

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More free associating, has anybody heard this?? I've heard tell that the 18-minute Coloured Balls track on there - "God" - is like, THE great heavy distorto guitar overload track. But alas, it has yet to cross my path.

Yes, it's Billy Thorpe and the Aztecs. I have most of it on "Lock Up Your Mothers" which was a box set of three or four albums worth of material. Most of it, entirely great and about a step or a year on from the "black" Grand Funk live album.

George Smith, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Nate - The Illusion were okay. They were on Steed weren't they? Or one of their albums was. Maybe not the first one. I like the one where they are dead and dressed up like Indians on the cover. At least I think that was the cover. Something like that anyway.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

If It's So. Yeah, I found that one for $2. Uneven, kinda weird, though the first track ("Man") is big dumb cowbell ackshun.

Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Nate, since you like funky stuff I would think you would like Black Pearl if you have never heard them. And Privilege too. Privilege were on T-Neck, the Isley's label. Funky psychy stuff. well, a lot of fuzz and funky drums anyway.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't really remember what the first Illusion album sounds like. maybe THAT one is better. I do like cowbells though. I have them both somewhere. they may have made more than two.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Does anyone know anything about a band called Crushed Butler? I remember seeing a ten-inch with six songs on it released a number of years ago; there was a really good song called "Love Is All Around Me" on it, but I haven't seen it since.

Kris (aqueduct), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Has anyone heard any albums by Trapeze? It was a power trio that included future Deep Purple bassist/vocalist Glenn Hughes and future Judas Priest drummer Dave Holland. I have the song "Medusa" on a Deep Purple box set and it is pretty good and the review of the album at Allmusic is favorable.

Thanks for the link about that 70s metal book, I will check that out.
Some aspiring label needs to get together and make a nuggets style compilation of this kind of stuff, I know I would be interested.


earlnash, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Privilege were on T-Neck, the Isley's label. Funky psychy stuff. well, a lot of fuzz and funky drums anyway

GIMME

Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link

black cat bones!

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 22:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Lucifer's Friend, anyone?
I've got LPs by Black Pearl, Pink Fairies, SL Baltimore, Spooky Tooth and Nitzinger but hey, I've never heard of Hamilton Streetcar. Sounds enticing.

lovebug starski, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 22:49 (nineteen years ago) link

The Hamilton Streetcar album isn't hard rock or anything though. More of a strange pop-psych concept thing with weird cover versions and lots of cool production tricks.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 10:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Are the Illusion are the same ones responsible for the single "Did You See Her Eyes?" It's thuddy garage-psyche w/ an unexpected funky bridge that eerily echoes Sly Stone & JB (to my ears.) Can their album(s) be that incredible?

lovebug starski, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 11:49 (nineteen years ago) link

The albums aren't all that incredible. They are okay though. And usually can be found very cheap. You know, for a couple bucks, they are worth a listen.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 12:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Has anyone heard any albums by Trapeze? It was a power trio that included future Deep Purple bassist/vocalist Glenn Hughes and future Judas Priest drummer Dave Holland. I have the song "Medusa" on a Deep Purple box set and it is pretty good and the review of the album at Allmusic is favorable.

The "Medusa" album is good. So is "You're the Music, We're the Bandt." The first album was much mellower than the next two, not real predictive of the sound most fans came to like. Both of thw two records mentioned veer between loud crunching, very funky heavy rock and soulful torch music. There are a couple live CDs of the trio
that predictably dump the torch music for the Marshall stack.

After Hughes went on to Deep Purple the band kept putting out records, adding a second guitarist. "Hot Wire" was one of the better ones; it was full-on heavy funk and hard rock. Not much like it at the time on the hustings except maybe for Pat Travers. Extreme kind of took the idea, softened it up, paid more attention to wardrobe, got a sissier-sounding singer and made it more palatable to girls a decade or so later.

The album after it, "Trapeze," was not quite as good. Less funk for the sake of nondescript thud-rock. The album does feature a very good cover -- jaunty, actually -- of "Sunny Side of the Street," alone worth a bargain price if you can find a copy.

They became huge in San Antonio, like Budgie, and might have lived there for a time. Reissues were everywhere about five years ago, including a live one recorded in Texas called "Dead Armadillos."
This band, while still hard rock, was radically removed from the original which was produced by a member of the Moody Blues and subsequently taken out on tour with them in America.

Bottom line, best albums: "You're the Music," "Medusa" and "Hot Wire."

George Smith, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Has anyone heard any albums by Trapeze? It was a power trio that included future Deep Purple bassist/vocalist Glenn Hughes and future Judas Priest drummer Dave Holland

HOW could you forget Mel Galley's stint in Whitesnake from this pedigree??

But yeah, George pretty much covers it like a blanket, as is his wont. I'll just say that I LOVE that self-titled album from '75. It's great! I got it totally by accident too; some dude included it as a throw-in when I was buying a copy of the first album from him. I had never heard the group before and was curious about the Moody Blues connection; I ended up liking the later hard stuff a helluva lot more.

(it's funny, same thing happened to me when I bought Fly to the Rainbow; dude throws-in a copy of Lovedrive, and I ended up liking THAT better too!)

Broheems (diamond), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 17:37 (nineteen years ago) link

To keep the Deep Purple connection going, how good are Tommy Bolin's various records whether solo, The James Gang or Zephyr?

On another Deep Purple connection, how good is the second Captain Beyond record? I really like the first one, but I have heard the second one is pretty lame.

Another question, I recently aquired Atomic Rooster's "Death Walks Behind You" and think it is really good. Are any of their other albums as good? At least going by the Allmusic reviews, it seems the lineup and band sound changed album to album.

earlnash, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 17:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Death Walks Behind You is easily the best of those I've heard. So it's a bit downhill from there. First one and In Hearing Of.. are ok too though. Earlnash do you have Spooky Tooth Two? If you like the sound of Death Walks Behind You, I'd get that Spooky Tooth record next actually.

The 2nd Captain Beyond record is still pretty good! Not as good as the first, but ok. It's the 3rd one that really sucks and must be avoided at all costs. I think it was like a different band by that point.

I'm curious about Bolin, too. Always meant to check out his stuff. I bet George knows.

Broheems (diamond), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link

the james gang rides again is pretty sweet.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Spooky Tooth "Two" is on my list of older records to eventually check out.

Joe Walsh era James Gang records are all pretty good. "Rides Again" is the best one. "Thirds" is much more mellow than the first two.

earlnash, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 18:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, I love all Walsh-era records. Just never heard the Bolin stuff. Never heard the Purple record that he's on either.

Broheems (diamond), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 18:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Tommy Bolin's catalog was always weak and it's been crapped up even more by people putting endless demo tapes and dodgy live recordings to CD as commemoratives.

I had the Zephyr records, ditched them. Not hard rock -- chopsy musicians, good singer, though.

Bolin was on Deep Purple's "Come Taste the Band" and so is Glenn Hughes, I thin'. "Come Taste the Band" was better than Blackmore's last album with "Burn"-era Deep Purple. "Gettin' Tighter" is the prime cut, a slashing funky rocker halfway between hard rock and metal. I drag it out every so often.

"Teaser" was the first Bolin solo album and the one to have, if you have to scratch the itch. It's the most cohesive, has the best songs and is the most electric. There are half a dozen good numbers on it
but it doesn't compare with any of the band's he was in.

The second one was a mess, the only number memorable [scratching head] was "Don't Let Your Mind Post Toastee" which was autobiographical, maybe accidentally.

He's on "Miami" by the James Gang, too. The albums past Walsh were really up and down, mostly down, although to be fair not everything the Gang did with Walsh was gold, either. James Gang album(s) with
Dom Troiano -- avoid. James Gang album(s) with Tommy Bolin, "Bang" and "Miami," probably. Given the two, flip a coin or buy both as vinyl for 99 cents and burn the cuts you like to one CD.

Last good James Gang album, this time without a name guitarist, "Reborn" with Picasso painting on cover. Very tight, short rock and roll songs. Crunching cover of "Heartbreak Hotel," "Red Satin Lover," a woman-hating rave about fucking a slut.

I like it more than a lot of people because I saw them touring to support it, opening for Alice Cooper's "Welcome to My Nightmare." Truth be told, live James Gang was better than the Alice Cooper show
which was strictly for very young children or people with the minds of very young children. I seem to recall about two minutes of it being good, when Dick Wagner and Steve Hunter had a guitar duel in
the space the bridges "Devil's Food" and whatever came after it.

George Smith, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Am I really the only Glass Harp fan on ILM? No other Phil Keaggy fanatics? Well, If you see their first album or Synergy on Decca scoop them up. They go pretty cheap. Keaggy was a great guitarist. Power-trio/folky/heavy jams. beautiful stuff. People who like Argus by Wishbone Ash would really dig Glass Harp. Later, Phil went Jesus all the way, and put out some fairly avoidable Christian records.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Bolin also slummed in Moxy, one of the first Canadian metal bands. Moxy were more to the mid-70's but like Budgie and Trapeze, wound up huge in San Antone. I have a live album from last year in which then band reunited as it could -- the singer, Buzz Shearman is long dead --and went to Texas to record it in front of an enthusiastic audience.

I think Bolin's on the first two Moxy albums, here and there, sometimes uncredited. Moxy were better than Bolin solo albums and superior to Walsh-less James Gang. At one point the band recruited pre-Loverboy Mike Reno. That was their last record, a very poor one,
the band aiming for a sound that Loverboy would later own.

George Smith, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Seems to me these Sixties-Seventies amalgamated hard rock threads are now of enough mass to make an insta-book or two. "Everything you wanted to know, in Q&A form, about semi-successful and abject failure hard rock bands despised by girls, from the Golden Age of retro."

George Smith, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

MOSES. like cream of sabbath.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:24 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
Cactus reissues!!

http://www.rhinohandmade.com/covers243/7871.jpg
http://www.rhinohandmade.com/covers243/7872.jpg

Courtesy of the good folks at Rhino Handmade:

http://www.rhinohandmade.com/browse/ProductLink.lasso?Number=7871
http://www.rhinohandmade.com/browse/ProductLink.lasso?Number=7872

I can't tell you how excited I am to hear that live disc. God I love Rhino Handmade. Although that damn Television live disc is out of print now, and I never got around to getting it. Thing is going for upwards of $40 on eBay. Oh well. Somehow I think I'll be able to take my time with these, though.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link

i only bought the meic stevens one. that's a goody as well. but all i can say is: yayyyyyy, my favorite thread! I'm just gonna hang out here from now on. I can't keep up with all that outkast and moby debate.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 27 August 2004 22:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Scott, you know how you cannot possibly fathom how I can like the Postal Service? That's how I feel about you on threads like this. Still
got love for you, obv.

-- Matos W.K. (michaelangelomato...), May 18th, 2004.


hahahaha!!!

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 27 August 2004 22:44 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
i just recently found the third world war album independent of this thread, and it just proves i should've paid this thread more attention in the first place. what a goddamn great record.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 04:12 (nineteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
holy SHIT is that Truth and Janey Erupts disc from a few years back HOTT! Can't believe I slept on it this long. These guys smoke. Now I gotta get the studio record.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 02:10 (eighteen years ago) link

FRIJID. PINK.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 02:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Those Cactus reissues are swell. Jim McCarty's guitar tone and playing is freaky deaky. Tim Bogart gets some of the most rightous big booty 70s bass lines working this side of Mel Schacher.

I found Spooky Tooth compilation. I liked the music but the guy with the real high falsetto singing voice didn't do much for me. I need to give that one another couple of spins.

A Deep Purple collection I have never seen get props but is excellent is this 2 cd set I picked up called "In Concert", which has two BBC shows both with DP Mk.II, one for John Peel and another concert right after Machine Head came out. The John Peel Show is blinding, as it is literally weeks after Gillian and Glover joined the band, so they stretch everything out with Blackmore and Lord going all over the place.

I still need to get some Groundhogs.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 03:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Seriously, Frijid Pink, though. The ultimate in thud-rock brutality?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 03:05 (eighteen years ago) link

first Frijid Pink is an all-time classic, sure. They really fell off hard after that though. "Tell Me Why" and "End of the Line" are ultimate heaviosity for sure though.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 03:09 (eighteen years ago) link

You don't like the second album (Defrosted - where they're stuck in the ice cube)??? (That's the only one I have, actually.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 03:24 (eighteen years ago) link

the frost -vs- frijid pink. who was chillier?

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 03:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I had the first one for a while before I picked up the second, and I just remember being really disappointed in it. There wasn't a cut on there that really ripped my head off the way the aforementioned "End of the Line" (great Stooges-like swing) and "Tell Me Why" (killer fuzz-tone!) from the first album had. But I haven't listened in a while .. I will give it another listen.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 03:30 (eighteen years ago) link

i was surprised by how much i was enjoying a rory gallagher album tonight.i never paid that much attention to him in the past. the album was *against the grain*. it belongs on this thread somewhere. i was also playing deep purple's *burn*, which definitely belongs on here.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 03:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I was listening to Savage Resurrection today! (Produced by Abe 'Voko' Kesh!) That belongs on here, too.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 03:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Stormy, that first track on Defrosted, "Black Lace," is totally sick.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 03:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I will listen again! you've convinced me.

I am always amazed when I think about the fact that those Savage Resurrection guys were teenagers. Just like I'm always amazed that the Clear Blue Sky and T2 dudes were teenagers. And weren't the Gurvitz brothers teens when they did Gun? what happened to the teens? there haven't been any good teen bands since the glory days of hardcore. there just aren't as many wunderkinds around.

other recent things I picked up were the 2nd Hapshash and the Coloured Coat album (not bad at all!) and the Ashkan record (ehhh... it's ok.)

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 03:48 (eighteen years ago) link

And George Brigman was 18 when he did Jungle Rot!

"the frost -vs- frijid pink. who was chillier?"

Yes, and lest we forget Shiver ...

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 04:00 (eighteen years ago) link

DP's "Mistreated" off of Burn is the best thing that David Coverdale ever sung.

I've gotten into Rory Gallagher in the past year or so and have been impressed by his records. There is a Deep Purple tie-in, as Roger Glover produced Gallagher's Calling Card lp.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 04:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Defrosted better than the first Frijid Pink! Side One of the debut's nice and grungy, but "Boozin Blues" is gawdawful, & I never cared much for their "House Of The Rising Sun" anyhow. (They left off a coupla verses to shorten it, which they wouldn't've had to do if they had played it in 3/4 like they should have, if they weren't too inept to figure out how, not that ineptitude is a bad thing necessarily, and I guess I'll end this sentence before unravels even more than it already has...)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 04:28 (eighteen years ago) link

check out this lineup thud-rockers (12 at the time so I didn't go)

http://makemyday.free.fr/70/70poster8.jpg

m coleman (lovebug starski), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 09:02 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
so they were on elektra in 1974 and elektra in 1974 blew chunks for the most part, and their cover, which is just their logo, is terrible, and they look a little goofy on the back cover, but this album by *A Foot In Coldwater* has some serious metallic moments on it a la sabbath and purple. SERIOUSLY cool overblown fuzz-bass, sabbath riffs, and the dude sounds like halford when he screams. and half their songs are about satan. "Yalla Yae" is the best. straight-up 74 metal. I wonder if Judas Priest ever heard them. totally an album you would pass in the dollar bin and never give a second look. they weren't in chuck's book, were they? oh, and they thud pretty good.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 February 2006 11:50 (eighteen years ago) link

shit, i think i saw that once and walked on by.

also: ORANG-UTAN! and STONEWALL! and CHICO (MAGNETIC BAND)! and a little greek instrumental love for BLUE PHANTOM!

baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Saturday, 4 February 2006 00:24 (eighteen years ago) link

there's an Orang-utan record record at work for $150. it is a good record, but not $150 worth of a good record.

Today I was listening to Lucifer's Friend. What year was that record? 71? maybe it is too prog to be considered "thud-rock" though?

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Saturday, 4 February 2006 04:42 (eighteen years ago) link

there aren't many records worth $150. none spring to mind, actually.

lucifer's friend s/t is 1970, i think.

baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Saturday, 4 February 2006 06:08 (eighteen years ago) link

i just bought another Lucifer's Friend record (after having and loving the self titled) and it FUCKING SUX

team jaxon (jaxon), Saturday, 4 February 2006 06:10 (eighteen years ago) link


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