I can't remember too much from Epic Megagames besides Jill of the Jungle and Jazz Jackrabbit - whereas Apogee had the Keen series, plus a host of lesser but still diverting shareware smashes - Cosmo, the one with the kid in the horror setting, Secret Agent, the original Duke Nukem, Major Stryker, etc. Oh, shit, Raptor! Now that actually had some sweet graphics.
As far as Keen goes, IV and VI are where it's at, for sure. IV for the music, and VI for the name "Fribbulus Xax."
We never registered a god damn thing. :(
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 5 May 2008 04:34 (sixteen years ago) link
When we do this again the top 20 should just be C64 games with digitized speech.
New ILX motto: "AHH. ANOTHER VISITOR. STAY AWHILE. STAYYYY FOREVER!"
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 5 May 2008 04:48 (sixteen years ago) link
That David Kushner book Masters of Doom has a, uh, dramatic re-telling of how the smooth scrolling of Commander Keen was stumbled upon, if you haven't read it - really punchy narrative.
the one with the kid in the horror setting Monster Bash! Creepiest thing about that game was the kid's jumpsuit or whatever; the look of the thing wasn't as crisp/clean as Crystal Caves/Secret Agent (though that wasn't as much of a problem for Jill Of The Jungle - the grainyness worked for the setting) ... Hocus Pocus & Mystic Towers were entertaining, Rise Of The Triad was really WEIRD 3d shooter coming after Doom (all those hallucinogenic/environment altering "powerups"!) ... I kind've forgive Epic everything for One Must Fall: 2097, the only successful attempt at a PC fighting game - console/arcade fighters couldn't pull off the upgrading-yr-robot/pilot system that made it so fun. Has TOMBOT played it? http://www.ibiblio.org/GameBytes/issue21/flooks/omf6.gif http://www.thehouseofgames.net/files/o/one_must_fall/one_must_fall-5.jpg
No Arkanoid/Breakout (or PONG!) games in the list!
― etc, Monday, 5 May 2008 05:02 (sixteen years ago) link
oh fuck yeah I played the hell out of some OMF. The boss mech was such a fucking cheater. best bot was the FLAIL by a long shot
― El Tomboto, Monday, 5 May 2008 06:04 (sixteen years ago) link
"That David Kushner book Masters of Doom"
great book! really entertaining
― latebloomer, Monday, 5 May 2008 06:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Damn, I read like 3 pages of it and gave it back to my ex. He'd said "if you ever want to understand me and what I do, this book will do that".
I feel bad for not reading it now.
― Trayce, Monday, 5 May 2008 06:21 (sixteen years ago) link
Fucking Rygar People!!!!
I forgot to cast my ballot in time, though, so I can't really complain. I'm also sorry to see that Ninja Gaiden didn't make the cut either, but then my gaming salad days span from about 1988 to 1993. Great work Dom!
― Pillbox, Monday, 5 May 2008 06:53 (sixteen years ago) link
Civ II is kind of weird in that I've played it the most of any Civ and it's obviously terrific, but it also has bad parts (caravan trading, micromanagement) that the later games fixed. And yet it's still my favorite.
OTM
Phil if you want to play a championship manager and don't know about football, start with CM2, it's way easier to get into and you won't notice the players are old.
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Monday, 5 May 2008 07:50 (sixteen years ago) link
maybe i'll just stick to romance of the three kingdoms 8. they cant be that much different anyway?
― phil-two, Monday, 5 May 2008 08:27 (sixteen years ago) link
Arkanoid is on the list. It shouldn't be.
Best breakout = the one free w/the ZX Spectrum.
― Raw Patrick, Monday, 5 May 2008 10:30 (sixteen years ago) link
Oops, my bad re: Arkanoid; eyes glazed over around then. I think what I meant was (it is the nineties and is time for) KLAX! My favourite Breakout clone was Ghox, which had, uh, monsters & spells. http://homepage1.nifty.com/shootingstar/ot_c_ghox1.JPG
also: http://www.dinosaurgardens.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/videocraze-800.jpg
There are few games in the marketplace that Chris has not mastered. He has extensive experience at playing video games and diciphering (sic) their patterns and techniques of play. His analytical mind automatically envisions patterns and virtual line drawings of the games. He currently logs more than 8 hours of play per day and has been coined by his peers and friends as the 'Human Video Game'.
― etc, Monday, 5 May 2008 10:48 (sixteen years ago) link
I missed all yesterday so I need to sit down and read this when my eyes are uncrossed and I'm marginally less pukey but as a quick observation TETRIS IS NOT THE NUMBER 2 GAME EVER YOU CLUELESS ASPIE RUBES FUCK YOU FUCK YOU ALL DIE MOTHERFUCKER DIE MOTHERFUCKER DIE
― Noodle Vague, Monday, 5 May 2008 11:36 (sixteen years ago) link
Ahem.
My votes, which I'm wondering if Dom got cos I voted highest for some of this shit and never got no credit at all WHY DID YOU HAVE TO EQUALISE WATFORD YOU JAMMY TOSSBAGS?
1. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas 2. Morrowind 3. Tomb Raider 4. Sid Meier's Civilization II 5. Half-Life 6. Grand Theft Auto III 7. Championship Manager/Football Manager series (Sports Interactive) 8. The Secret of Monkey Island II: Le Chuck's Revenge 9. Lords of Midnight 10. Dragontorc 11. We Love Katamari 12. Eye of the Beholder II 13. Treasure Island Dizzy 14. Super Mario World 15. Super Mario Brothers 3 16. Sonic the Hedgehog 17. Rainbow Islands 18. Lemmings 19. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 20. Monkey Island 21. Sid Meier's Pirates! 22. Super Mario Brothers 2 23. Nethack 24. Legend of Zelda: A Link To The Past 25. Worms 26. Q-Bert 27. Cannon Fodder 28. Head Over Heels 29. Football Manager series (Kevin Tom) 30. Defender
― Noodle Vague, Monday, 5 May 2008 12:15 (sixteen years ago) link
ONE MUST FALL, OMG
― HI DERE, Monday, 5 May 2008 12:28 (sixteen years ago) link
people complaining should have been perhaps more fastidious during the nomination period, Diablo II being Blizzard's only contribution to these results is kind of ZUH-- El Tomboto, Monday, 5 May 2008 02:41 (10 hours ago) Link
-- El Tomboto, Monday, 5 May 2008 02:41 (10 hours ago) Link
i would've if i even KNEW ABOUT IT YOU SIMPERING LITTLE LORD FAUNTLEROY FAGBABY
you people. YOUUUU PEOPLE
― cankles, Monday, 5 May 2008 13:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Shit, I forgot about the robot upgrade thing in One Must Fall! Really great idea - I've always thought fighting games that played more like RPGs were an under-explored genre.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 5 May 2008 14:54 (sixteen years ago) link
srsly, that game almost made me fail out of school
― HI DERE, Monday, 5 May 2008 15:17 (sixteen years ago) link
too many nintendo players for this poll to be valid
― sunny successor, Monday, 5 May 2008 15:27 (sixteen years ago) link
^^^^^^
― HI DERE, Monday, 5 May 2008 16:02 (sixteen years ago) link
that's like me saying "why so many games for pc and not mac"
― El Tomboto, Monday, 5 May 2008 16:39 (sixteen years ago) link
but theyre all the same game
― sunny successor, Monday, 5 May 2008 16:41 (sixteen years ago) link
My thirty, lower-than-100 bolded for sadness's sake:
1. Chrono Trigger 2. Fallout 3. Final Fantasy Tactics 4. Metal Gear Solid 5. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas 6. Worms Armageddon 7. Super Mario Brothers 3 8. Portal 9. Tetris 10. Super Mario World 11. Suikoden II (TOMBOT TELL ME YOU PLAYED THE PS1 SUIKO GAMES... also the fifth one is good) 12. Half-Life 2 13. Championship Manager/Football Manager series (Sports Interactive) 14. Super Robot Taisen: Original Generation (so good) 15. Castlevania: Symphony Of the Night 16. Mars Matrix 17. Xenogears 18. SNK vs. Capcom 2 19. River City Ransom 20. Bioshock 21. Final Fantasy XII 22. Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved 23. Rez 24. Shadow of the Colossus 25. PacMan 26. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (seems like the perfect game for an ilxor) 27. Warlords 28. Planescape: Torment 29. Final Fantasy VII 30. Earthbound (i am SHOCKED)
I'd love to see the HMs, the ones who never quite made 100, because seriously I'll be shocked if Earthbound isn't #101 or something.
― Will M., Monday, 5 May 2008 16:50 (sixteen years ago) link
too many cheetos drenched GTA dorks fuck you
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Monday, 5 May 2008 16:51 (sixteen years ago) link
Most overrated game of the 90s? That screenshot says it all - four hideous deformed freaks in a completely undifferentiated space. My friend Matt and I played this a couple years ago, and every deathmatch ended with us running out of time before we even found each other to try and shoot it out. Like, "OK, I'm gonna stand still in this room. You come here and shoot me." "Fuck, how do I get over there?" This game sucks.
-- Doctor Casino, Sunday, 4 May 2008 19:01 (Yesterday) Link
what the hell ever consider that maybe YOU sucks???
that championship manager game looks like something i would definitely geek out over if i was british or there was an american equiv
― deeznuts, Monday, 5 May 2008 16:55 (sixteen years ago) link
no GTA:Mario Cart?
― sunny successor, Monday, 5 May 2008 16:57 (sixteen years ago) link
for all the complaining about too many nintendo games i am way disappointed there is no excitebike
― deeznuts, Monday, 5 May 2008 17:00 (sixteen years ago) link
-- deeznuts, Monday, 5 May 2008 17:55 (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
Sports Interactive's American connects have worked on these two games, never played them though so I have no idea if they're in the same quality bracket:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHL_Eastside_Hockey_Manager_2007 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_the_Park_Baseball
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 5 May 2008 17:10 (sixteen years ago) link
Just as a heads-up, these are the games that placed 101-120:
101. Geoff Hammond's Formula 1 Grand Prix series 102. Tekken 2 103. Football Manager series (Kevin Tom) 104. Q-Bert 105. Shadow of the Colossus 106. Crysis 107. 101. Zarch/Virus 108. Bust a Move 109. Daley Thompson’s Decathlon 110. Final Fantasy XII 111. Treasure Island Dizzy 112. International Track & Field 113. Jungle Strike 114. King's Quest 115. Tempest 116. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker 117. Warlords 118. Autoduel 119. Strider 120. X-Wing
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 5 May 2008 17:18 (sixteen years ago) link
I've played them. Football Manager is leagues better than EHM, I didn't get too into OOTPB but it is apparently similarly awesome among baseball stat-heads. But yeah, EHM completely lost the plot and played like a shitty communist FM. Plus the player qualities were very, very dubious (Antero Niittymaki as the best goaltender of a generation is just LOL).
I played EH becaue my friend like FM but I didn't know soccer. I played FM later and it got me into soccer. If you are aspie, pick up FM and you will soon be knowing the soccer very much.
Xpost lol no Earthbound still?! That is seriously astounding.
― Will M., Monday, 5 May 2008 17:18 (sixteen years ago) link
I put Morrowind 2ND and it didn't break the top 120???
― Noodle Vague, Monday, 5 May 2008 17:31 (sixteen years ago) link
My ballot. Games that didn't make the Top 100
1. Secret of Mana 2. Frontier: Elite II - not enough Commodore Amiga owners up in this thread 3. Half-Life 4. Legend of Zelda: A Link To The Past 5. Super Monkey Ball 6. Tetris 7. Goldeneye 8. Lemmings 9. The Secret of Monkey Island II: Le Chuck’s Revenge 10. Tomb Raider 11. Super Mario Kart 12. Galaga 13. Sonic the Hedgehog 14. Super Mario Brothers 3 15. Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved - play this if you haven't: http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/grid/wars.htm 16. Monkey Island 17. Sid Meier’s Pirates! 18. Super Mario Bros 19. Sid Meier’s Civilization II 20. Bust a Move 21. Zelda: Ocarina of Time 22. International Track & Field 23. Championship Manager/Football Manager series (Sports Interactive) 24. Super Mario World 25. Bomberman 26. Super Mario Brothers 2 27. Cannon Fodder 28. Rainbow Islands 29. Chuckie Egg 30. Chrono Trigger
People who voted for Chrono Trigger higher than SOM are crazy.
― caek, Monday, 5 May 2008 17:45 (sixteen years ago) link
Games that didn't make the top 100 in bold, that is.
― caek, Monday, 5 May 2008 17:46 (sixteen years ago) link
Only four missing out. Do I have the most MOR tastes on ILG?
― caek, Monday, 5 May 2008 17:49 (sixteen years ago) link
11. Suikoden II (TOMBOT TELL ME YOU PLAYED THE PS1 SUIKO GAMES... also the fifth one is good)
I have suikoden v at home waiting for me to finish a bunch of other silly stuff.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 5 May 2008 17:49 (sixteen years ago) link
15. Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved - play this if you haven't: http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/grid/wars.htm
-- caek, Monday, 5 May 2008 18:45 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
I saw Stuart Campbell (online) the other day trolling a feminist opinions4u blog comments section. Big inspiration on me as a writer, obv.
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 5 May 2008 17:53 (sixteen years ago) link
dom wtf i never voted for zelda or a resident evil?!?!?!?!?
hi it's ken c here's my list lololol 1. Dance Dance Revolution 2. Pro Evo series 3. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas 4. Grand Theft Auto III 5. Sid Meier's Civilization II 6. Sonic the Hedgehog 7. Another World (aka Out Of This World) 8. Metal Gear Solid 9. Half-Life 2 10. Prince of Persia 11. Lemmings 12. Worms 13. Super Mario Bros 14. Contra 15. Wii Sports 16. Singstar series - great game spoilt by embracement from hipsters 17. Zarch/Virus 18. X-Wing 19. Bomberman 20. Bubble Bobble
― ken c, Monday, 5 May 2008 17:55 (sixteen years ago) link
were tombot and I the only people to vote for secret of mana? how did you place it tombot? did you track down your ballot yet?
Thanks very much for doing this dom. would love to see your ballot. stuart campbell and friends feature pretty heavy in my magazine thread which never really took off ;_; A history of your magazine/newspaper reading, from birth to present
― caek, Monday, 5 May 2008 17:55 (sixteen years ago) link
caek, i bet lots of people had only 0 or 1 not even make the list
tombot, you should really check out i/ii if you can (i recommend emulating or something). they are seriously he best rpgs of that era. so much <3 for them.
― Will M., Monday, 5 May 2008 17:56 (sixteen years ago) link
I repped for the first Suikoden somewhere way up there. I hadn't played Shining Force before I first played Suikoden, so I was really blown away by the whole strategy thing with the combat.
― Noodle Vague, Monday, 5 May 2008 17:59 (sixteen years ago) link
1) Nethack Mega Man 2 Katamari Damacy Lords of Midnight Raid On Bungeling Bay Sid Meier's Pirates! Legend of Zelda: A Link To The Past Scorched Earth Super Mario World Sid Meier's Civilization II Monkey Island TMNT 4: Turtles in Time Spy Hunter Super Metroid Super Mario 64 Fallout Ultima IV The Sims Wolfenstein 3D Bomberman Castlevania Super Mario Brothers 3 Links 386 Pro Pac-Man Out-Run Goldeneye Actraiser Duck Tales Worms Armageddon 30) Double Dragon II: The Revenge
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Monday, 5 May 2008 18:05 (sixteen years ago) link
were tombot and I the only people to vote for secret of mana?
I did, can't recall where... ballot posted a little bit upthread.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 5 May 2008 18:05 (sixteen years ago) link
1. Q-Bert 2. Planescape: Torment 3. Baldurs Gate 2: Shadows of Amn 4. Knights of the Old Republic 5. Marble Madness 6. Tempest 7. Jet Set Radio 8. Tetris 9. Eye of the Beholder II 10. Sid Meier's Civilization II 11. Dune 2 12. Centipede 13. Pole Position 14. Super Mario Kart 15. Arkanoid 16. Diablo 2 17. Prince of Persia 18. Tomb Raider 19. Metroid 20. Galaga 21. Defender 22. PacMan 23. Goldeneye 24. 720 25. Super Puzzle Fighter Alpha II Turbo 26. The Secret of Monkey Island II: Le Chuck's Revenge 27. Rock Band 28. Spy Hunter 29. Tekken 2 30. Bomberman
9 of my games missed the top 100, and 3 of those were in the top 120.
― HI DERE, Monday, 5 May 2008 18:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Okay that Top 100 in full:
#100: Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic #99: Kirby's Adventure #98: Wolfenstein 3-D #97: Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King #96: Diablo II #95: Super Monkey Ball #94: Super Mario Galaxy #93: Metroid: Zero Mission #92: Maniac Mansion #91: Rez #90: Super Mario Bros 2 #89: Eye of the Beholder II: The Legend of Darkmoon #88: Lords of Midnight #87: Double Dragon II - The Revenge #86: Master of Magic #85: WipEout 2097 #84: The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion #83: A Mind Forever Voyaging #82: Halo: Combat Evolved #81: Defender #80: River City Ransom #79: Ico #78: Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn #77: Spy Hunter #76: Xenogears #75: Ninja Gaiden #74: Elite #73: Scorched Earth #72: Castlevania #71: Metroid #70: Deus Ex #69: Tomb Raider #68: Bioshock #67: Contra #66: The Sims #65: Secret of Mana #64: Nethack #63: Cannon Fodder #62: Planescape: Torment #61: Final Fantasy VII #60: Prince of Persia #59: Sega NHL series #58: R-Type #57: Grim Fandango #56: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Turtles in Time #55: Galaga #54: Rainbow Islands: The Story of Bubble Bobble 2 #53: Guitar Hero #52: Worms Armageddon #51: Jet Set Radio #50: Gran Turismo series #49: Chuckie Egg #48: Marble Madness #47: Pac-Man #46: Castlevania: Symphony of the Night #45: Dance Dance Revolution series #44: Wii Sports #43: Micro Machines #42: Portal #41: Singstar series #40: Arkanoid #39: The Legend of Zelda #38: Another World #37: Final Fantasy Tactics #36: Katamari Damacy #35: Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge #34: Sensible Soccer series #33: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time #32: Madden NFL series #31: Half-Life #30: Resident Evil 4 #29: We ♥ Katamari #28: Worms #27: Speedball II: Brutal Deluxe #26: Grand Theft Auto III #25: GoldenEye 007 #24: Bomberman #23: Fallout #22: Bubble Bobble #21: Mega Man 2 #20: Sid Meier's Pirates! #19: Super Metroid #18: Super Mario 64 #17: Championship Manager/Football Manager series #16: Metal Gear Solid #15: Super Mario Bros. 3 #14: Super Mario Bros #13: Half-Life 2 #12: Pro Evolution Soccer series #11: Chrono Trigger #10: The Secret of Monkey Island #9: Sonic the Hedgehog #8: Lemmings #7: Super Mario Kart #6: Grand Theft Auto: Vice City #5: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas #4: Super Mario World #3: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past #2: Tetris #1: Sid Meier's Civilization II
Metal Gear Solid is mad over-rated, I think the Monkey Islands are the wrong way round, and you might as well have voted Attack of the Mutant Camels as bleeding Tetris, but hey! that's democracy.
― Noodle Vague, Monday, 5 May 2008 18:34 (sixteen years ago) link
yeh because nintendo players are such a small minority in gaming ... er ... ok cos across 20 odd years nintendo games have consistently rated poorly ... um ... ok i give up.
― zappi, Monday, 5 May 2008 18:59 (sixteen years ago) link
I did that upthread!
― Raw Patrick, Monday, 5 May 2008 19:31 (sixteen years ago) link
lol sorry Patrick I looked but didn't see it ow my head
― Noodle Vague, Monday, 5 May 2008 19:32 (sixteen years ago) link
it's upside down both times
― blueski, Monday, 5 May 2008 19:42 (sixteen years ago) link
It's the right way up. You're upside down.
― Noodle Vague, Monday, 5 May 2008 19:44 (sixteen years ago) link
My list (looks like they all placed, except maybe Quake 2?):
A Mind Forever Voyaging Deus Ex Grim Fandango Fallout Final Fantasy VII Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Civilization II Monkey Island Bioshock The Sims Chrono Trigger Guitar Hero Super Mario Bros Baldur’s Gate II Maniac Mansion Madden NFL Oblivion Legend of Zelda Theme Hospital Xenogears Monkey Island II: Le Chuck’s Revenge Super Mario 64 Secret of Mana Quake 2 GTA III
― Mordy, Monday, 5 May 2008 19:56 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't get the love for Tomb Raider now and I didn't then. Duke Nukem 3D & Quake came out that year and Goldeneye came out the next year. Tomb Raider's levels feel like a shitty tech demo.
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Monday, 5 May 2008 20:09 (sixteen years ago) link