I mean, what's valuable about appropriation is that it encourages us to consider context. When Prince says he was trying to get at "something he could not get at by creating his own images," what he means isn't "I don't have anything to say, I'm uncreative, I think I'll just take a photo of someone else's photo and pass it off as my own," it's that if he simply took his own photo, it wouldn't have the same kind of contextual resonance. He's asking us to examine how and why context changes the way we approach art, and whether we even call it art, and I think that's really interesting.
― jaymc, Thursday, 6 December 2007 17:57 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm writing a book that will be a word for word duplication of the great gatsby. i am an author.
Is your name Pierre Menard?
― jaymc, Thursday, 6 December 2007 17:58 (sixteen years ago) link
chicago pierre menard
― dan m, Thursday, 6 December 2007 17:58 (sixteen years ago) link
If you wrote a word-for-word duplication of The Great Gatsby, I wouldn't call you an author, but if you presented it for public exhibition, I'd be tempted to call you an artist.
― jaymc, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:00 (sixteen years ago) link
He's asking us to examine how and why context changes the way we approach art, and whether we even call it art, and I think that's really interesting.
-- jaymc, Thursday, December 6, 2007 5:57 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link
this makes more sense to me, but wasn't marcel duchamp doing the same thing like 60 years ago?
― n/a, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:01 (sixteen years ago) link
maybe he should take photos of his photos
― Jordan, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:02 (sixteen years ago) link
ie urinal in a museum
― n/a, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:02 (sixteen years ago) link
his own, i mean.
i basically agree w/nick. of course context is important, but i don't know if i'm a fan of the way this dude goes about trying to control it and point it out.
― Jordan, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:03 (sixteen years ago) link
i got motherfuckin' grapes with my lunch today. not real sweet but plenty sweet for a brutally cold winter day. motherfuckin' grapes man.
― chicago kevin, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:07 (sixteen years ago) link
i've got lunch on my motherfuckin' mind grapes
― Jordan, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Yes, which is why some people claim that art ended with Duchamp, and why, I think, Peter Schjeldahl bristles at Prince's success: it's just a compendium of well-worn postmodern techniques.
― jaymc, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:12 (sixteen years ago) link
But his own photos weren't Marlboro ads!
― jaymc, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:13 (sixteen years ago) link
Maybe if he took photos of his own photos it would open some kind of pan-dimensional vortex and I would be able to see what he's seeing when he takes the photos of Marb ads.
― dan m, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:17 (sixteen years ago) link
I dunno, I like it for the same reason I like* the Lucky Pierre experiment where they had people listen to B96 through headphones for an hour and repeat everything they heard onto a tape. It's a defamiliarization device. We become more aware of things, like the banality of radio commercials, when they're quoted.
*theoretically, since I haven't actually heard it
― jaymc, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:18 (sixteen years ago) link
interesting article on maglev trains.
― chicago kevin, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:24 (sixteen years ago) link
P.S. That was a good discussion, thanks guys.
― jaymc, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:27 (sixteen years ago) link
SO TRAINS
― Laurel, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:28 (sixteen years ago) link
that's what I'm fucking talking about, first we need grade separation
― dan m, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:28 (sixteen years ago) link
(PS: Just remember, whenever you get fed up with my intellectual analyses of art, that if I wasn't interested in conversations like that, you likely wouldn't know me.)
― jaymc, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:36 (sixteen years ago) link
so was there ever a consensus reached on thirsty thursday?
― chicago kevin, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:37 (sixteen years ago) link
the la times theme for today is kinda dumb
― Jordan, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:38 (sixteen years ago) link
I'd still like to go to OT's but I drove today (sigh) so I'd have to go home first.
― dan m, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:40 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, let's do it. I can be there by 6, or a little after.
― jaymc, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:42 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm busy tonight but hopefully I'll see some of you this weekend at C's (or R0nny's!).
― KitCat, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:44 (sixteen years ago) link
Yes, will probably be at Ronny's.
― jaymc, Thursday, 6 December 2007 18:46 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm listening to xmas music on Pand0ra like I don't even give a Fuh.
― KitCat, Thursday, 6 December 2007 19:33 (sixteen years ago) link
(Nick otm otm summary! And John I definitely think there are complexities and grey areas, but I'd respect Prince's photograph-of-a-photograph more, I think, if it had a surgeon general's warning in the corner. Or...NURSE's warning.)
― Eazy, Thursday, 6 December 2007 19:34 (sixteen years ago) link
I get it, because he made paintings of nurses.
― jaymc, Thursday, 6 December 2007 19:36 (sixteen years ago) link
Does anyone like Mucca Pazza? I heard them at the bar the other night and figured someone (prob. Jordan or Amander) here would be into it. I kind of liked their songs.
― dan m, Thursday, 6 December 2007 19:47 (sixteen years ago) link
I like Mucha Pizza.
― KitCat, Thursday, 6 December 2007 19:52 (sixteen years ago) link
I've liked what I've heard (caught a little bit at the Hideout Block Party). Kr has been trying to persuade me to go see them with her for a long time.
Isn't R0b1n Russ0 really into them?
― jaymc, Thursday, 6 December 2007 19:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Remix opportunity
― jaymc, Thursday, 6 December 2007 19:53 (sixteen years ago) link
I would love to remix if someone would let me goof around with their Garageband program for a few hours.
Maybe include some Malcolm X snippets? Or Kermit the Frog? Or creating a dialogue between the two?
― Eazy, Thursday, 6 December 2007 19:55 (sixteen years ago) link
I just learned the other day that the beat for "Umbrella" is a GarageBand loop called "Vintage Funk Kit 03."
― jaymc, Thursday, 6 December 2007 19:55 (sixteen years ago) link
Chicag0 Sl0w Down (1968 Riot Remix)
― Eazy, Thursday, 6 December 2007 19:56 (sixteen years ago) link
lol
xpost
― Jordan, Thursday, 6 December 2007 19:56 (sixteen years ago) link
Garageband loops are all OVER the place! I noticed them in between segments on ANTM. Then I started hearing them in commercials. Then I heard some song when I was out shopping that was almost completely garageband. It's funny because I'll hear something and be like what IS that... then I realize it's a sample I used in a St0nef0x song.
― KitCat, Thursday, 6 December 2007 19:57 (sixteen years ago) link
most of those loops were recorded at a studio around here (madison)
― Jordan, Thursday, 6 December 2007 19:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh crazy.
john i'll give it a shot, even though we don't have our good software anymore and i'm supposed to be working on the ff album. i did a dismemberment plan remix for that remix album they put out a long time ago but they didn't use it, which is too bad because it was pretty good.
― n/a, Thursday, 6 December 2007 20:15 (sixteen years ago) link
I can probably give you guys separated tracks, if you think that would be helpful. Either ProTools sessions or "individual dry recording stems," whatever that means.
― jaymc, Thursday, 6 December 2007 20:22 (sixteen years ago) link
i don't know. i don't really know what i would do with them honestly, it just sounds fun to play around with. probably wouldn't end up with anything usable.
― n/a, Thursday, 6 December 2007 20:25 (sixteen years ago) link
i just had some mac & cheese that burned my tongue a little. it was a bit too soupy too. i needed more noodles and less cheesy liquid.
― stingy, Thursday, 6 December 2007 20:28 (sixteen years ago) link
Well, not to be whatever about it, but I'm guessing we'll want a solid commitment soon-ish. Just because if WWSU ends up getting re-released early next year, we can use this as a promotional tool along with it.
― jaymc, Thursday, 6 December 2007 20:30 (sixteen years ago) link
Or maybe not, I dunno.
― jaymc, Thursday, 6 December 2007 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link
Which song is going to be the new "Don't Stop!"?
― KitCat, Thursday, 6 December 2007 20:38 (sixteen years ago) link
;-)
You mean the one that Obama will use as a campaign song?
― jaymc, Thursday, 6 December 2007 20:39 (sixteen years ago) link
He should use OPP, but change it to "you down with O-ba-ma?" I can't think of a response that would rhyme with 'ma' though.
― stingy, Thursday, 6 December 2007 20:49 (sixteen years ago) link
Yep, John.
― KitCat, Thursday, 6 December 2007 20:49 (sixteen years ago) link