Worst "genre" created by a journalist part 4534547668686 : 'Hypnagogic Pop' by David Keenan.

any overpriced ltd cdrs of these bands that they held back when they got them to cash in on now theyre OOP?

i still haven't read the wire article, but this thread lead me to check out the skaters and all this other beautiful noise that i didn't know existed. i guess oneohtrix point never is part of this thing*, i gotta recommend "a pact between strangers" and "ruined lives"... warm n rich analogue drones... this "genre" name itself is offensively stupid, though

He's reacted to some of the backlash on his blog: http://thehiddenreverse.blogspot.com/2009/08/into-wild.html

Scroll down to the heading "Hypnagogic Pop", after the Jandek talk.

i'm not convinced on the 'since chris bohn got in the wire's gone all goth-metal' line

ha i just read the wire was bought out by its staff in 2001: that's kinda cool, actually

Although that might create its own set of problems: are new POVs that might be radically different to what's there to be welcomed/argued with?

The real moan wave!!
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The Wire has gotten nearly as silly as the NME.

Highly Recommended.

tbh the wire's been infuriating for as long as i've been aware of it, which is since like '01. but it's still the magazine i'll look for in train stations. which admittedly means it falls somewhere on an interest scale like

50-100 pages of book > today's paper > another 50-100 pages of book > the wire > the economist

i mean — how long ago was 'new weird america'? that one was WAY more annoying, bcz it stood some chance of gaining real traction amongst ppl whose opinions i wouldn't immediately disregard — whereas if anyone tells me they're into 'hypnagogic pop' i am pretty sure i can ignore them

I used hypnagogic pop in a review last week. Granted it was with scarequotes you could see from space but it still felt gooooooooood

So could things be retroactively tagged as "hypnagogic pop"? What would or would not make something like Spiritualized's "Electric Mainline" hypnagogic pop?

Or, for that matter, "Soon"?

I guess I'm threatening to become this thread's spokesperson for the term by answering this, but the fact that those are from albums with high production budgets - famously so in one case - and don't seem to try and be evoking nostalgia as an *ethos*, would say to me that they don't have a lot to do with the idea. At a guess tho MBV have had a trickle-down influence on bands from this sphere, maybe filtered through Flying Saucer Attack and that lot

wouldn't DEFINITION hypnagogic pop be those catchy lines from pop songs that loop over and over again in your brain when you are lying in bed sick or hungover?

that's part of why this term annoys me ... that there are plenty of other things that more obviously fit the definition as the words are commonly understood.

Also, wondering what the ratio was of "new weird america" being used sincerely vs. ironically.

are dead machine's hp?

HPs tend to last longer than Epsons, imo.

make you install all this shitty software for the scanner if you use macs tho

^^ yeah, paper handling is kinda crappy, too.

I'm the kind of guy who needs an artisan cheesemonger, an antiquarian book store and a speciality off-license at the bottom of my street before I can even start to feel comfortable

^ this bit in his blog made me mentally thwunk him in the nads w/ a rolling pin when I read it

Eh IDK, he might be a douchebag but that reads like jokey self-deprecation

I allowed for that by only doing it gently in a jokey way.

Is The Field's "The More That I Do" hp?

i think a big part of hp is sounding like its recorded on a dictaphone/all-in-one printing and scanning capabilities

so it's essentially "lo-fi fuzzy/shoegaze pop music"? Would Spectrum's "How You Satisfy Me" be hypnagogic if GBV covered it?

uh examples of HP are Emeralds, Pocahaunted, Ariel Pink, Skaters, Lamborghini Crystal

really can't believe i just posted that btw

would you say those bands form the HP Canon?

According to the article, it's Skaters first and foremost, as well as the works of the individual works of Ferraro and Clark (Lamborghini Crystal, Edward Flex, Black Joker, Monopoly Child Star Searchers, Vodka Soap). Also, along with Ariel Pink, Pocohaunted, and Emeralds, there's Zola Jesus, Gary War, Sore Eros, The Super Vacations, Infinity Window, Oneohtrix Point Never, Orphan Fairytale, Dolphins Into The Future, Ducktails.....did I leave any out?

tbf it is a pretty definite aesthetic that makes sense straight away when you start listing

I was only asking to make another computer brand joke, tbh.

yeah, but I was too ashamed after my last post I just couldn't

that's okay, keep it ep, son.

I think the citations of individual works that had influence on the sound of these artists are interesting: Tom Tom Club, Marc Hunter's "Big City Talk", Don Henley's "Boys Of Summer", "Running Up That Hill", The Ghostbuster Soundtrack, new age music.

I also love the non-musical ingluences that James Ferraro and Spencer Clark list: Ghostbusters, surf movies, Beverly Hills 90210, Russian Theosophist PD Ouspensky, And the cultural totems and roadside temples: Atlantis, dolphins, KFC, Hard Rock Cafes, TV dinners, strip clubs, gyms, and celebrities.

The Wire are falling asleep with all this hypnagogic pop; they should wake up and get into some hypnopompic pop.

it's Skaters first and foremost, as well as the works of the individual works of Ferraro and Clark (Lamborghini Crystal, Edward Flex, Black Joker, Monopoly Child Star Searchers, Vodka Soap). Also, along with Ariel Pink, Pocohaunted, and Emeralds, there's Zola Jesus, Gary War, Sore Eros, The Super Vacations, Infinity Window, Oneohtrix Point Never, Orphan Fairytale, Dolphins Into The Future, Ducktails.....did I leave any out?

Really though, only Ferraro's solo work, Dolphins and Ducktails I can see fitting the Hypnastoopid Pop glove, the rest is vastly different from eachother...

I still cannot believe The Wire didn't tell Keenan to fuck off with this

"The Wire has gotten nearly as silly as the NME."
Well the Wire has been staffed by former NME writers since the mid- to late 80s so making up genres to slot music they wnat to tell you about is nothing that is too surprising.

Unfortunately there is a lack of ideas/argument at the mo. Still look at it in train stations but it often stays at the station.

Look for it in train stations, have a rapid scan through Invisible Jukebox, put it back on the shelf... knowhorrimean?

no I don't, I'm an American ... you either get it by subscription or find it in fancier bookstores or record stores.

Look for it in fancy bookstores, have a rapid scan through Invisible Jukebox, put it back on the shelf... knowhorrimean?

William Basinski in the new one, btw. Interested to read it. Going to buy the book shortly too. I believe it has Haino in it?

xp actually, look for it at fancy bookstore, look to see if any questionable genres have been coined, look to see if anyone I know has anything reviewed in it, put it back on shelf.

Every genre is 'questionable'.

Have to say that I do quite enjoy the Hello-ish full page photos of mopey-looking musicians in their scuzzy domiciles.

Hello?

Not enough avant-gardists glowering at manky old teapots.

The Wire would be vastly improved if they printed more letters to the editor.

That's a good point I think.

They should def print Tom D's letters :-)

I don't write any anymore!