Also - giving them strike prices that appear to be wildly over valued might do just that. If Twitter is indeed worth less than half the purchase price (a fairly uncontroversial estimate), those stock grants are going to be worth far less if they convert to cash at some point, and this means the income tax paid on the $45 price might potentially offset a massive amount of the actual income gained from the resulting value converted, especially for large amounts. Yikes.
― octobeard, Monday, 30 October 2023 22:31 (six months ago) link
Just to reiterate more clearly, employees will owe income tax on their grants at the $45 valuation offered, regardless of how much money they can get out of the equity when it's eventually liquid. So if the income tax you pay on the grant exceeds the value of the equity later on (say it dips to $10 a share for an IPO or a sale), you might actually lose money exercising said equity. Reverse startup indeed.
― octobeard, Monday, 30 October 2023 22:36 (six months ago) link
working until its just elon in a garage
― lag∞n, Monday, 30 October 2023 22:39 (six months ago) link
xp Unless they're subject to a "substantial risk of forfeiture," which (colloquially) everything associated with Musk is.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 30 October 2023 22:41 (six months ago) link
the equity would be offered at $45 a share in the form of restricted stock units, which employees can earn over time.
If I were trying to reverse engineer Musk's thinking based solely on the $45/share detail, I would say he believes that by pegging the shares to a wild overvaluation he will create incentives for his workers to strive heroically and increase their productivity so much they bring Twitter, er, I mean X, back up to where he can dump it on the market without incurring massive losses. You know, his usual 'galaxy brain' worms.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 30 October 2023 22:43 (six months ago) link
if/when these RSUs vest the employees will pay real taxes on them, so they have real 'value'.
― 龜, Monday, 30 October 2023 23:57 (six months ago) link
i assume he's handling stock comp and liquidity events exactly as it is handled at spacex.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 00:47 (six months ago) link
now obviously he's the CTO, so this is all above his pay grade. but maybe that's what his boss is doing.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 00:48 (six months ago) link
problem there is that a spacex-type liquidity event would require investors to agree with the value of this $19 billion valuation - maybe he can arrange a share sale to elon fanboys who will buy at any price
― 龜, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 00:51 (six months ago) link
You make them sound like suckers.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 00:54 (six months ago) link
$19 billion seems generous. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/30/technology/x-twitter-19-billion-dollars.html
― Allen (etaeoe), Monday, October 30, 2023 5:43 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
generous is right.
snap is worth 1/3 what it was in spring 2022. twitter is subject to the same secular forces. we used to predict twitter's earnings by looking at snap's the week before. their stock prices moved in lockstep. so best case twitter has lost the same fraction of its value as snap, and is worth 1/3 its spring valuation.
but twitter has also lost effectively all its revenue via the nazi stuff. on a good day it's maaaaybe worth 1/6 its spring 2022 value. if you thing musk paid what it was worth that implies it's worth like 7bn. if you think he overpaid (he thinks so himself) it's worth less than 5bn.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 03:10 (six months ago) link
as a business its worth zero now tho im sure it has some assets that could be sold
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 03:25 (six months ago) link
that sink for instance
― Yngwie Azalea (stevie), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 09:17 (six months ago) link
Fidelity Investments is claiming it's in the $15B range now. Still seems high, but they have a $300M stake in the original deal
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 15:05 (six months ago) link
https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/9jUgoyCI0biXF_dJMnYlUM8iYiE=/232x0:3965x2800/1200x900/media/img/mt/2017/10/RTX1RDRD/original.jpg
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 15:09 (six months ago) link
it's worth 0 owned by musk but part of the valuation is the idea that if he sold it to someone who veered hard and course corrected it could partially recover. depends to what extent you think elon caused the decline (and if so whether it's reversible) or if it was already inevitable before he bought. also trump's second presidency will be good for twitter (and media generally)
― flopson, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 22:24 (six months ago) link
yeah idk once the death spiral starts its hard to stop (why they call it a death spiral)
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 22:39 (six months ago) link
i do think he caused it fwiw
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 22:40 (six months ago) link
Of course he did. No one could do this by accident.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 00:48 (six months ago) link
opening twitter for one second
The chant at Liverpool Street as many have pointed out is indeed not "intifada" but "ceasefire now" . Apologies.— Simon Schama (@simon_schama) November 1, 2023
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 15:52 (six months ago) link
it's Free Parking all over again
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 16:16 (six months ago) link
Apologies.
You can tell that came straight from his heart. it is practically a mirror image of it.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 18:41 (six months ago) link
This account may enter a period of inactivity as I am being indicted for securities fraud at 4PM tomorrow. Stay tuned for further updates.— crazy ass moments in nu metal history (@numetal_moment) October 31, 2023
― JoeStork, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 23:02 (six months ago) link
new revenue streams
Emails obtained by Forbes reveal that a team within the company, known as the @Handle Team, has begun work on a handle marketplace for the purchase of account names left unused by the people who originally registered them. In at least some cases, X/Twitter has emailed solicitations to potential buyers requesting a flat fee of $50,000 to initiate a purchase.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkonrad/2023/11/03/elon-musk-x-has-started-selling-off-old-twitter-handles
― lag∞n, Saturday, 4 November 2023 13:12 (six months ago) link
i wonder if he gave $50k to the guy who had @X originally
― 龜, Saturday, 4 November 2023 13:16 (six months ago) link
Twitter 'For You' currently showing me one single post, Corbyn at the rally. has been like this all day.
― koogs, Saturday, 4 November 2023 17:38 (six months ago) link
thats the only post for you
― lag∞n, Saturday, 4 November 2023 17:47 (six months ago) link
throw all the other twitters back on the shelf
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 4 November 2023 17:55 (six months ago) link
now replaced by a single tweet from Owen Jones, also at the rally.
― koogs, Saturday, 4 November 2023 18:03 (six months ago) link
Cringe levels off the charts with this entire venture
Nice to meet you Grok. So, you're funny, super curious, and a little spicy sometimes too? That's my kind of friend. Old BFFs move aside. https://t.co/ewlzaEUEhR— Linda Yaccarino (@lindayaX) November 5, 2023
― groovypanda, Sunday, 5 November 2023 20:22 (six months ago) link
Yay pic.twitter.com/VYj9LqdEP9— curiousnewton (@curiousnewton) November 5, 2023
― lag∞n, Sunday, 5 November 2023 20:25 (six months ago) link
wow owned
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 5 November 2023 20:28 (six months ago) link
if i was worried about revenue streams i would simply not make my product so toxic that no serious business wants to be associated with it
― no gap tree for old men (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 November 2023 20:31 (six months ago) link
the world is clamoring for a more racist ai
― lag∞n, Sunday, 5 November 2023 20:44 (six months ago) link
As Musk has sacked teams that would've responded there is a lot of Palestinian content on twitter---
Walid Mahmoud @WalidMahmodRoukIsraeli official: We are facing a problem with pro-Palestinian content on Telegram and X. Facebook, Instagram and TikTok have responded to 92% of our requests to remove palestinan content since the start of the Aggression on Gaza
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 6 November 2023 15:15 (five months ago) link
interesting
― that genius dn i thought of on Zing but couldn't update to (Hunt3r), Monday, 6 November 2023 15:23 (five months ago) link
Apparently, Elon has never read either The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy or Stranger in a Strange Land.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 6 November 2023 21:01 (five months ago) link
prob not a big book guy
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 November 2023 21:05 (five months ago) link
there's a reason he's so salty about wikipedia -- it's where he spends all his time
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 7 November 2023 15:22 (five months ago) link
no shade towards Hitchhiker's Guide but I fear that Elon would become even more annoying if he read it
― c u (crüt), Tuesday, 7 November 2023 20:06 (five months ago) link
Otm
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Tuesday, 7 November 2023 20:10 (five months ago) link
That would be a singularity of annoyance.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 7 November 2023 20:11 (five months ago) link
I imagine he'd try to become Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged
― underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Tuesday, 7 November 2023 22:20 (five months ago) link
So now all my "Notifications" are about random tweets I've never interacted with.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Wednesday, 8 November 2023 15:04 (five months ago) link
hey maybe you want to know about them
check out this tweet
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 November 2023 15:05 (five months ago) link
because you liked that tweet, we're recommending this other tweet. evening? sorted!
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 November 2023 15:06 (five months ago) link
Classic.
Greedy CEO who pretends like he’s self made. In reality, just a clown & fraud. Always has been, always will be. Quit the tough guy act in these senate hearings. You know where to find me. Anyplace, Anytime cowboy. #LittleManSyndrome pic.twitter.com/JNvT7IsA6m— Sean M. O'Brien (@TeamsterSOB) June 21, 2023
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 20:32 (five months ago) link
lol get him
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 20:33 (five months ago) link
oof
Exclusive: Apple is pausing all advertising on X, formerly Twitterhttps://t.co/RV69yHZHIi— Ina Fried (@inafried) November 17, 2023
― frogbs, Friday, 17 November 2023 19:53 (five months ago) link
I'd like to see someone actually say they will pull advertising completely and never return, rather than these 'pauses'
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 17 November 2023 19:57 (five months ago) link