The Death of Cinema pt. 94

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https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/martin-scorsese-urges-filmmakers-fight-010914512.html

get 'em!

related, my 12 year old has tapped out on Marvel and Star Wars now (though we'll likely watch Andor S2 whenever that premieres, which is fine by me.) he was really into watching Hangover Square and M Hulot's Holiday recently, i think they really just worked for him as immersive and surprising viewing experiences. having been immersed in watching a lot of green screen films with dumb quips and slumming actors over the last few years, i hope this trend continues. we're gonna try to dig into some classic spookfests this month, maybe some Karloff/Lugosi classics, Hammer horror, etc.

omar little, Tuesday, 26 September 2023 19:52 (seven months ago) link

I think the enemy is franchises in general and if people are genuinely sick of Marvel and DC superhero films I fear huge IP owners will just use whatever they own that is in different genres and maybe be very discreet about being Marvel, Disney films.
Huge IP owners and studios might give more creative freedom, maybe make some genuinely great films and then take away creative control when they think they can milk a formula or milk nostalgia for that time they made good films of Jonah Hex and Willie Lumpkin. Apparently big studios only let people try new things when the formulas stop working.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 20:09 (seven months ago) link

i'm trying to think of a franchise i'm not sick of, maybe Mission Impossible but I haven't seen #7 yet.

also probably the minority opinion here, by some distance, but after the last John Wick film i just wondered what the point of the whole thing was. the "world-building" didn't really add up to much in the end, just a lot of flourishes that were interesting but not a lot more, the style of the thing and the aesthetic was so impressive but i didn't feel anything except impressed. zero emotional attachment to any character, really. they just milked that first film for everything it was worth, created a new type of action genre in a way, all this creative talent largely for naught. i can't say i wasn't mostly entertained but the last one was as long as The Godfather and started to feel like it. i think this last one for whatever reason made me question the whole series and why i should bother watching movies along those lines with the limited time i've got.

omar little, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 20:18 (seven months ago) link

(speaking of non-Marvel/SW stuff above)

omar little, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 20:18 (seven months ago) link

I enjoyed the action scenes and that was mostly enough for me. Just like any other martial arts series I'm interested in. Of course filmmakers should aspire to more than that but 3 and 4 were still impressive feats to me in a genre I like that typically doesn't have amazing stories.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 20:29 (seven months ago) link

Universal Monsters and Hammer Horror are much the same: I come for certain things but I know I'm unlikely to get a full package.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 20:31 (seven months ago) link

it just seemed like diminishing returns after awhile to me, the first film is a masterpiece and the second is close, but it felt like they were padding them out in the last two and they felt emptier even as they drew to some kind of attempted emotional close. i think the best part of the last pair was the opening of #4, up to the point where the story arc of Rina Sawayama's arc finished (not counting the vv end.) i almost found the repetitiveness impressive after awhile but not enough.

omar little, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 20:36 (seven months ago) link

i think though the Disney industrial complex stuff is worse in terms of dominating the industry and the conversations and the talent, though JW has a couple spinoffs and maybe yet another sequel. JW at least did not set out to please the crowds, it's a much more difficult and relentlessly creative and original thing, even if it started to feel empty.

omar little, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 20:44 (seven months ago) link

I'm sure there will be a Funkopop movie. And then a coca cola movie about sentient coke bottles and cans. And a Ronald McDonald movie. Then a Kellogs movie about the evils of masturbation, wholesome cereals combating the urge, then a porn parody with people jizzing in their cornflakes.

Still amazes me that Fist Of The North Star has made more money than James Bond, but I'm told that's mostly due to pachinko machines.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 20:56 (seven months ago) link

It's not on the list anymore so maybe that wasn't so reliable, but there are still surprises on here if this thing is to be trusted
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 21:01 (seven months ago) link

I'm quite perturbed by the amount of YouTube videos of film commentary titled things like "audiences hate it when movies do these things", as if they can speak for everyone.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 21:13 (seven months ago) link

hmmm is this conversation not more "death of hollywood" really

not that other national cinemas are exempt from the lure of franchises but

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 21:16 (seven months ago) link

there was already a Kellogg's movie, Matthew Broderick i wanna say... yeah Road to Wellness https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0111001/

koogs, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 21:28 (seven months ago) link

I've seen a bit of it.

I did wonder if there's even the possibility that a different film industry could attract all the big American stars by saying "come over here, we'll treat you better"

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 21:29 (seven months ago) link

It was a different situation, but obviously Europe did that for a number of folks from Hollywood during the era of blacklisting. Not that escaping franchise work is akin to that.

I have several friends who are either writers or directors or both, and one by one they've been sucked up into franchise work and for me it is a little bit depressing to see considering where they started. Much similar to how virtually everyone I know from the cinema program at my school wound up working in reality television. The latter is much more depressing I think though.

omar little, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 21:36 (seven months ago) link


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