Chicago: Become Familiar with its Distinctive Neighborhoods

i'm all about recognizing the beauty in the mundane but i think it's more interesting on a personal level than have some dude going "DO YOU SEE? DO YOU SEE?"

having

I think that's only part of it. The problematic relationship between the original and the copy is itself one of the work's themes.

When Mr. Prince started reshooting ads, first prosaic ones of fountain pens and furniture sets and then more traditionally striking ones like those for Marlboro, he said he was trying to get at something he could not get at by creating his own images. He once compared the effect to the funny way that “certain records sound better when someone on the radio station plays them, than when we’re home alone and play the same records ourselves.”

this guy is fucking full of it

I don't see what's wrong with that quote.

i'm writing a book that will be a word for word duplication of the great gatsby. i am an author.

To me, it confirms pretty much what Nick was saying, that he thinks he sees something in a picture that other people cannot.

I mean, what's valuable about appropriation is that it encourages us to consider context. When Prince says he was trying to get at "something he could not get at by creating his own images," what he means isn't "I don't have anything to say, I'm uncreative, I think I'll just take a photo of someone else's photo and pass it off as my own," it's that if he simply took his own photo, it wouldn't have the same kind of contextual resonance. He's asking us to examine how and why context changes the way we approach art, and whether we even call it art, and I think that's really interesting.

i'm writing a book that will be a word for word duplication of the great gatsby. i am an author.

Is your name Pierre Menard?

chicago pierre menard

If you wrote a word-for-word duplication of The Great Gatsby, I wouldn't call you an author, but if you presented it for public exhibition, I'd be tempted to call you an artist.

He's asking us to examine how and why context changes the way we approach art, and whether we even call it art, and I think that's really interesting.

-- jaymc, Thursday, December 6, 2007 5:57 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

this makes more sense to me, but wasn't marcel duchamp doing the same thing like 60 years ago?

maybe he should take photos of his photos

ie urinal in a museum

his own, i mean.

i basically agree w/nick. of course context is important, but i don't know if i'm a fan of the way this dude goes about trying to control it and point it out.

i got motherfuckin' grapes with my lunch today. not real sweet but plenty sweet for a brutally cold winter day. motherfuckin' grapes man.

i've got lunch on my motherfuckin' mind grapes

this makes more sense to me, but wasn't marcel duchamp doing the same thing like 60 years ago?

Yes, which is why some people claim that art ended with Duchamp, and why, I think, Peter Schjeldahl bristles at Prince's success: it's just a compendium of well-worn postmodern techniques.

maybe he should take photos of his photos

But his own photos weren't Marlboro ads!

Maybe if he took photos of his own photos it would open some kind of pan-dimensional vortex and I would be able to see what he's seeing when he takes the photos of Marb ads.

I dunno, I like it for the same reason I like* the Lucky Pierre experiment where they had people listen to B96 through headphones for an hour and repeat everything they heard onto a tape. It's a defamiliarization device. We become more aware of things, like the banality of radio commercials, when they're quoted.

*theoretically, since I haven't actually heard it

interesting article on maglev trains.

P.S. That was a good discussion, thanks guys.

SO TRAINS

that's what I'm fucking talking about, first we need grade separation

(PS: Just remember, whenever you get fed up with my intellectual analyses of art, that if I wasn't interested in conversations like that, you likely wouldn't know me.)

so was there ever a consensus reached on thirsty thursday?

the la times theme for today is kinda dumb

I'd still like to go to OT's but I drove today (sigh) so I'd have to go home first.

Yeah, let's do it. I can be there by 6, or a little after.

I'm busy tonight but hopefully I'll see some of you this weekend at C's (or R0nny's!).

Yes, will probably be at Ronny's.

I'm listening to xmas music on Pand0ra like I don't even give a Fuh.

(Nick otm otm summary! And John I definitely think there are complexities and grey areas, but I'd respect Prince's photograph-of-a-photograph more, I think, if it had a surgeon general's warning in the corner. Or...NURSE's warning.)

I get it, because he made paintings of nurses.

Does anyone like Mucca Pazza? I heard them at the bar the other night and figured someone (prob. Jordan or Amander) here would be into it. I kind of liked their songs.

I like Mucha Pizza.

I've liked what I've heard (caught a little bit at the Hideout Block Party). Kr has been trying to persuade me to go see them with her for a long time.

Isn't R0b1n Russ0 really into them?

Remix opportunity

I would love to remix if someone would let me goof around with their Garageband program for a few hours.

Maybe include some Malcolm X snippets? Or Kermit the Frog? Or creating a dialogue between the two?

I just learned the other day that the beat for "Umbrella" is a GarageBand loop called "Vintage Funk Kit 03."

Chicag0 Sl0w Down (1968 Riot Remix)

lol

xpost

Garageband loops are all OVER the place! I noticed them in between segments on ANTM. Then I started hearing them in commercials. Then I heard some song when I was out shopping that was almost completely garageband. It's funny because I'll hear something and be like what IS that... then I realize it's a sample I used in a St0nef0x song.

most of those loops were recorded at a studio around here (madison)

Oh crazy.

john i'll give it a shot, even though we don't have our good software anymore and i'm supposed to be working on the ff album. i did a dismemberment plan remix for that remix album they put out a long time ago but they didn't use it, which is too bad because it was pretty good.

I can probably give you guys separated tracks, if you think that would be helpful. Either ProTools sessions or "individual dry recording stems," whatever that means.

i don't know. i don't really know what i would do with them honestly, it just sounds fun to play around with. probably wouldn't end up with anything usable.

i just had some mac & cheese that burned my tongue a little. it was a bit too soupy too. i needed more noodles and less cheesy liquid.