Shit Said by Every Libertarian Ever

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Family is the last line of defense against the state, the most important countering institution to it. He's just going to continue to prove he doesn't understand the first thing about libertarianism. Some messenger for the movement. https://t.co/cm0XJDwg4R

— Toad (@TowerGangToad) September 6, 2023

never thought a thread I created w/ a sock would get any traction

right wing "libertarianism" sees to be in constant tension between its basically fascist commitments and its bullshit ultraliberal free market rhetoric and the true believers (or marks) are always getting into fights with the people who are just picking up the language for their own agenda maybe we can use this somehow

I used to check Reason magazine occasionally. A tension seems to have evolved between the staff and the commenters, the latter of whom are a nest of right-wing MAGA troglodytes. I guess it shouldn't be surprising that so many of these libertarian types flocked to Trump's banner.

"I want to own chickens but the county is now telling me that my property is not zoned for chickens. WHAT. THE. FUCK."

I'm pretty sick of whoever is making up these "time zones."

"I can't help it if you're low IQ."

I have devised my own math. I don't care if teh government insists 2+2 = 4

its basically fascist commitments and its bullshit ultraliberal free market

I don't really see this as a tension. Neither authoritarians nor libertarians have any time or use for laws

the tension is when the veneer of social liberalism slips I guess

I'm pretty sick of whoever is making up these "time zones."

― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes)

do you know how many TIME ZONES there are in RUSSIA?

Neither authoritarians nor libertarians have any time or use for laws

i don't see it as a tension, but for the opposite reason, that fascists are big believers in state power, and that libertarians, once you scratch the surface, are too - to enforce property rights, tax breaks, patent protections, the right of their golf club to exclude whoever they like etc

Lots of libertarians also seem to be anti-choice, which does, in fact, seem to be a contradiction.

Right wingers are in favour of laws, rules, controls - and plenty of them - for and on everyone other than themselves.

Authoritarians are certainly big believers of state power, but that doesn't mean they are big believers in law. Authoritarians and libertarians alike believe in lawlessness as virtue. Power should be outside law

I just don't think that's right anvil. I think you'd find a whole lotta (American) libertarians strongly in favor of an extremely well resourced police department putting the clamps on everyone they disapprove of and enforcing their rights to "be free" of whatever they don't want to have to think about.

In Sweden, you can camp on anyone's land (private or otherwise) for two days, then you have to move on

I wonder how the idaho libertarians would feel about that

Yes, they want enforcers but not laws. Laws act as constraints on enforcers

In an ideal world what the enforcers are enforcing should be informal and flexible, understood but not documented

Yeah, there's that good quote about that (applying to conservatives, not libertarians per se, but same same). "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

We should get rid of laws so I can do what I want / We should get rid of laws so the king can do what he wants

I've quoted Chuck Dukowski of Black Flag before: "Anarchy for me, fascism for you."

I don't think theres much of a tension or contradiction between libertarianism and authoritarianism because both believe power should be held by the person not the office, and bureaucracies such as institutions, laws, and office should be for display purposes only. Attempting to codify such things goes against natural order

But I think there IS a tension between libertarianism and fascism. Libertarianism and authoritarianism aim to depoliticize and de-energize, the public are just potatoes. While, fascists also believe power should be in the person not the office, its aims to energise and politicise the potatoes runs the risk of disrupting the natural order. Active participants can potentially band together, act unpredictably, or start to gain elements of power. I think the tension or contradiction is in whether the public should be activated or not, fascism isn’t necessarily as hierarchical as libertarianism or authoritarianism, with a potential danger of power flowing upstream as well as downstream