I can say I blame morons like you who use the word "monster" so freely.
― Three Word Username, Thursday, 6 August 2009 14:50 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.celebagents.co.uk/images/pics/erichall1.jpg
u s steel, yesterday
― Status Quo hell at the end of the 80s (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 6 August 2009 14:58 (fourteen years ago) link
Whatever happened to and who cares etc
― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan noo an' aw (Tom D.), Thursday, 6 August 2009 15:04 (fourteen years ago) link
FREE AT LAST!http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2009/08/05/image5217504x.jpg
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-squeaky-fromme15-2009aug15,0,7496498.story
― velko, Friday, 14 August 2009 18:46 (fourteen years ago) link
http://odio.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/charles-manson-family-members.jpg
Wish it had stayed like this moment forever.
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Friday, 14 August 2009 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link
Everyone looks so healthy!
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Friday, 14 August 2009 19:19 (fourteen years ago) link
Everyone looks so creepy! Although I like Squeaky's Albanian look.
― Matt #2, Friday, 14 August 2009 21:59 (fourteen years ago) link
"The cast of Jesus Christ Superstar relaxes after turning in their 100th performance."
― nickn, Friday, 14 August 2009 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm9cjrwBIdM
― ( ´_ゝ˙) (Dr. Phil), Sunday, 16 August 2009 02:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Wonder what Linda Kasabian thinks of the band named after her. I see her really digging their psychadelic rock vibes but I fear she may accuse them of ripping off the Stone Roses.
― JTS, Monday, 17 August 2009 07:52 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-fJGxTfeqI
― velko, Monday, 17 August 2009 08:07 (fourteen years ago) link
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She's hott and she's a little charmer. I think I have a new girlfriend. Squeaky Fromme.
― velko, Monday, 17 August 2009 08:10 (fourteen years ago) link
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/03/no-compassionate-release-for-manson-follower/?hp
― velko, Thursday, 3 September 2009 17:42 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26388459-401,00.html
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v483/catalinamack/mansonson.jpg
― luol deng (am0n), Monday, 23 November 2009 16:10 (fourteen years ago) link
“He sends me weird stuff and always signs it with his swastika,” Mr Roberts said.
ugh, daaaaaaaad
― harbl, Monday, 23 November 2009 16:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Despite his adoptive father telling him “nothing good” would come of discovering who his real parents were, Mr Roberts used a social services agency to locate his mother, Terry.
She confirmed Mr Roberts was adopted and told him his birth name was Lawrence Alexander but would not reveal the last name.
Eventually Terry relented and revealed that Mr Roberts' father was Manson, who she claims raped her in 1967 after she had succumbed to his manic charisma.
"She even said, 'You look just like him', Mr Roberts said recalling the shocking revelation.
Oh man that would be the worst thing to hear right after that! "You got made when I was raped by CHarles Manson...and you look just like him, honey." ;_;
― mascara and ties (Abbott), Monday, 23 November 2009 16:26 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah it sucks too that if i walked by that guy on the street i would think "hey lol that guy looks like charles manson." he must get that a lot.
― harbl, Monday, 23 November 2009 16:27 (fourteen years ago) link
After all the "peaceful dude" talk, this
"If I did talk to Charlie on the phone, I would say, 'I truly understand what it's like to be you, more than anyone could ever imagine on so many levels,'” Mr Roberts said.
struck me as a little weird.
― nickn, Monday, 23 November 2009 19:49 (fourteen years ago) link
dude's secretly thrilled to have an excuse for past and future drama
― Bob Saget's "Night Moves": C or D (WmC), Monday, 23 November 2009 19:59 (fourteen years ago) link
The man who married Susan Atkins. (fascinating article. worth checking out)
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 1 February 2010 08:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Charles Manson had a cellphone? California prisons fight inmate cellphone proliferation
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-prison-cellphones-20101203,0,1731644.story
― buzza, Friday, 3 December 2010 02:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Who is (was?) the West Family? Was this some popular TV show circa 2002?
― clemenza, Friday, 3 December 2010 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_West
Yeah but not like you mean
― absinthe of malithe (Noodle Vague), Friday, 3 December 2010 02:30 (thirteen years ago) link
http://ringtonetrue.com/downloadmp3ringtone/Beatles/Helter_Skelter.html
― (ㅅ) (am0n), Friday, 3 December 2010 02:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Okay--I do remember that story after all.
― clemenza, Friday, 3 December 2010 02:43 (thirteen years ago) link
imagne charlie with a nextel chirp
― (ㅅ) (am0n), Friday, 3 December 2010 02:45 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.releasecharlesmansonnow.blogspot.com/
― buzza, Friday, 3 December 2010 04:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Notorious killer Charles Manson was denied parole today after a California parole board noted that he recently bragged to a prison psychologist, "I am a very dangerous man."
http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ap_charles_manson_dm_120405_wg.jpg
― lebron traveled (am0n), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
have felt for ages that the continued imprisonment of manson is a v weird & wrong thing
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 22:32 (twelve years ago) link
why would he want to be free? prison is his home.
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 22:32 (twelve years ago) link
Why is it weird and wrong for Charlie to be locked up?
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
he probly wouldn't kill anybody now, throw the dice i say
― red is hungry green is jawless (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
from what i can tell, he hasn't been a real threat to anyone for ages. he's just a crazy old man, imprisoned more than anything (it seems to me) for the general "sins" of the 1960s, fear of messianic hippie terror. should have been put in a proper mental hospital ages ago. has anyone ever served more hard time without having actually/directly killed anyone, or committed treason?
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
no one's ever served time for committing treason
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
really? i don't mean just in the US.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
oh I dunno about other countries
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
but if yr including other countries then there have without question people who were held for longer for less
he is the kind of patient who, on a regular ward, will fuck up the weaker patients in a hurry - I have no doubt whatsoever of that. putting a guy like this on a ward with a bunch of dudes who don't know which way is up is a baaaaaaad idea.
― same old song and placenta (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
John Gotti got life without parolepretty sure there are a number of people who got the death penalty for being involved in a murder without actually committing itLouisiana has people on death row for sexual assault on children IIRC
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
manson apologists are the world's most disgusting savages iirc.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
He should turn his tattoo into the Microsoft Windows logo just to update his look a bit imo.
― French Cricket in the USA (NickB), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
imprisoned more than anything (it seems to me) for the general "sins" of the 1960s, fear of messianic hippie terror
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
^^^^ hard truths
― one dis leads to another (ian), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
generally for vague "crimes against the state", though, right? for belonging to the wrong party or publishing a questionable pamphlet or w/e.
where crimes of violence are concerned (and that's all the tate/labianca murders really were), manson seems to stand alone in terms of time served and general public horror accrued for murders one didn't even commit firsthand.
gotti, if we're honest about it, is in prison for running a vast criminal empire for years. includes many, many crimes, not just the fact that he ordered murders. and sexual assault of children seems on par w murder to me, so no surprise there.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 22:48 (twelve years ago) link
Manson is imprisoned more than anything because he convinced a bunch of impressionable people to commit what, five murders?
Nine murders, iirc. Possibly more.
― Une semaine de Bunty (ShariVari), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
Why should the law make a distinction between murders committed first-hand and murders committed to order? It's pretty common for people to hire hitmen to off their spouses. They're quite rightly treated the same as they would be had they done it themselves.
― Une semaine de Bunty (ShariVari), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 22:52 (twelve years ago) link
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:46 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
there were seven murders, so far as i know know. that's a terrible crime, no argument. otoh, he was and still is very clearly insane. the fact that he's still seen as some hitler-level supermonster is bizarre to me.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 22:53 (twelve years ago) link
Tate, Senring, Parent, Folger, Frykowsky, and the LoBiancos make seven. I think those are the only ones he was ever tried for.
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
first-hand vs. murder to order is a fair question. i'm not saying that charlie should have gotten off easier than his gang. he shouldn't. but i've always seen him primarily as an obvious case of mental illness, not of criminality a la gotti. and there's something weird to me about the holy dread in which he's held.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
nah other countries (say, Iran) have much MUCH stiffer penalties for various crimes, and the burden of proof is way lower.
Manson's in jail for conspiracy to commit murder (seven murders iirc)
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
yeah exactly
he's not *actually* interesting at all
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 24 July 2016 20:08 (seven years ago) link
Still haven't read the RS piece, but as Jeff Guinn frames him in the book pictured above, I think Manson can be very interesting to read about. Trump: when I read the RS subheading, "He's nearly 80 and his Family is smaller, but darkness still surrounds America's most notorious criminal," the darkness part made me think of Trump's concession speech! (There seems to be no end to Trump's family, though.)
I was downtown today with no book and time to kill, so I bought Ed Sanders' Sharon Tate book.
― clemenza, Sunday, 24 July 2016 23:56 (seven years ago) link
weeeell given that i've read most of what there is to read on manson you could say i find him interesting.
it just bugs me that that that article affords him far too much thrall when so much of him is base, mundane & manipulative.
i liked that guinn approached him in a mundane, ordinary light. he's like a violent resentful PT Barnum who just wants to get over on any and every weak person who crosses paths with him.
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 July 2016 00:17 (seven years ago) link
Low-grade con man, no argument. I guess what I find so interesting myself--and I think it's there in Guinn's book, at least implicitly--is that his particular con was so perfectly suited to the time and the place that he accidentally found himself thrust into when he was released from prison roundabout 1964.
― clemenza, Monday, 25 July 2016 00:20 (seven years ago) link
(Which doesn't explain why people like "Star" gravitate towards him today, although there's a different dynamic there--no less perverse--involving celebrity and such.)
― clemenza, Monday, 25 July 2016 00:22 (seven years ago) link
yeah he has popularity working for him now, which he for sure didnt have back then. which i guess is where the interest lies. reeling in wilson & melcher, as well as the girls & tex et al through sheer manipulation
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 July 2016 00:38 (seven years ago) link
Trump's concession speech!
Freudian slip, wishful thinking, something like that.
― clemenza, Monday, 25 July 2016 02:21 (seven years ago) link
thread title takes on a whole new meaning in the kanye/kim era
― k3vin k., Monday, 25 July 2016 03:02 (seven years ago) link
...or does it?
*steeples fingers, raises one eyebrow*
― DORNALDO TROOMPS for PRESIDETN (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 25 July 2016 09:33 (seven years ago) link
Is anyone watching the NBC series Aquarius, with David Duchovny, which is about an LAPD detective investigating Manson (and other things) in the months before the murders? It's pretty watchable, though it does try to cover too many bases, I think.
― nickn, Monday, 25 July 2016 17:11 (seven years ago) link
lol I assumed this was who it was about before I saw the thread date
have no idea who this other "West" family is
― Οὖτις, Monday, 25 July 2016 17:17 (seven years ago) link
it's pretty grim reading, to say the least
― ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Monday, 25 July 2016 17:18 (seven years ago) link
yr a dad Shakey. do not read about the other West family.
― The bald Phil Collins impersonator cash grab (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 25 July 2016 18:22 (seven years ago) link
Sound advice.
― how's life, Monday, 25 July 2016 18:26 (seven years ago) link
The West family were more Texas Chainsaw Massacre than Manson.
― 24 Hour Sex Ban Man (Tom D.), Monday, 25 July 2016 19:00 (seven years ago) link
I'm capable of sort of understanding how something like the Manson Family happens - drugs, impressionability, cult mindset, etc.. The West family, I just can't wrap my head around.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 25 July 2016 19:04 (seven years ago) link
I'm reading this Sharon Tate biography, and something that had never occurred to me until tonight: how close I was geographically and on a timeline to the murders. We took a family trip to Disneyland in July of '69 (I was seven). I know we saw a baseball game at Anaheim Stadium, and I'm pretty sure Reggie Jackson (visiting) hit a home run. I checked the game logs, and that would mean the game was either July 19 or 20. The murders were August 9.
http://la.curbed.com/maps/mapping-13-key-locations-in-the-1969-manson-family-murders
Spahn Ranch is about 60 miles from the Disneyland area. I don't know how many days before and after the game we were there, but about an hour away they were planning and preparing for some awful stuff. (I guess I was just too young to hear anything about what happened when we got back to Toronto...I don't recollect knowing anything about the story until I started high school a few years later.)
― clemenza, Monday, 1 August 2016 06:22 (seven years ago) link
that's gotta be an eerie feeling...
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 August 2016 17:03 (seven years ago) link
Big news!
BREAKING: Charles Manson follower Leslie Van Houten granted parole by California board.— The Associated Press (@AP) September 6, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:00 (six years ago) link
Had missed she was granted it last year and Jerry Brown reversed it. Wonder if it'll happen again?
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:01 (six years ago) link
damn
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:02 (six years ago) link
I doubt Jerry's changed his mind
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:08 (six years ago) link
Brown's reversed Bruce Davis's parole four times.
― jmm, Thursday, 7 September 2017 00:24 (six years ago) link
just finished The Life and Times of Charles Mansondef feels pretty definitivethe whole story is just so unrealthe most telling detail for me was the one thing he always returned to, after having taken a course in prison, was How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 September 2017 02:17 (six years ago) link
^ ding
yeah that made so many aspects of his behaviour click together
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 7 September 2017 03:58 (six years ago) link
About 30 pages into Jeffrey Melnick's Creepy Crawling: Charles Manson and the Many Lives of America's Most Infamous Family. Same idea as Dead Elvis and Unshackled: The Dustbin of Donald Trump: Manson is everywhere.
― clemenza, Monday, 12 November 2018 04:10 (five years ago) link
https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-5wx3mh9/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/237/1931/denied_stamp_180604__66005.1528149761.gif?c=2https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/03/us/leslie-van-houten-manson-family-parole/index.html
― velko, Tuesday, 4 June 2019 06:16 (four years ago) link
"I'm gonna run for president one day and I'll be damned if I give them any ammo against me!"
― nickn, Tuesday, 4 June 2019 06:43 (four years ago) link
Are we including the Kardashians?
― adam the (abanana), Thursday, 6 June 2019 05:55 (four years ago) link
LOS ANGELES (AP) — Charles Manson follower Leslie Van Houten walked out of a California prison Tuesday after serving more than 50 years of a life sentence for her participation in two infamous murders.
Van Houten “was released to parole supervision,” the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation said in a statement.
Is she the only one to gain release?
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 21:12 (nine months ago) link
nevermind, I see that Squeaky walked years ago
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 21:14 (nine months ago) link
Missed this...I think she's the first directly responsible for the murders.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 21:21 (nine months ago) link
interesting article from a few years back about the ongoing rehabilitation of Van Houten, Kremwinkle & Atkins on behalf of a feminist coalition at the Santa Cruz prison project https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/keeping-faith-with-the-manson-womeni carry this info about her rehabilitation alongside the brutality of the LaBianca murders & I don’t really know where I land on it exactly but i think prison is fucked & people deserve a second chance which also sounds naive of me idk
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 12 July 2023 03:14 (nine months ago) link
Not sure how I feel either, other than surprised--I thought the Tate family was vigilant (and convincing) about no one ever getting parole.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 12 July 2023 03:47 (nine months ago) link
yeah - I think Sharon’s sister Debra was even representing on behalf of the LaBiancas. So I dunno. I’d be interested to read what about this appeal turned things around.
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 12 July 2023 03:57 (nine months ago) link
I just finished another Mad Men rewatch last night. Everyone remembers Meredith's great line to Harry about the Manson Brothers, but I'd forgotten Don's follow-up as he pulls in to the office: "Are they coming in?"
― clemenza, Wednesday, 12 July 2023 15:28 (nine months ago) link