The Manson family vs. the West family

The thing is, the families of the victims get distressed when people show too much sympathy for these monsters, these people get very much attention. I cannot say I blame the families.

I can say I blame morons like you who use the word "monster" so freely.

http://www.celebagents.co.uk/images/pics/erichall1.jpg

u s steel, yesterday

Whatever happened to and who cares etc

FREE AT LAST!
http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2009/08/05/image5217504x.jpg

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-squeaky-fromme15-2009aug15,0,7496498.story

http://odio.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/charles-manson-family-members.jpg

Wish it had stayed like this moment forever.

Everyone looks so healthy!

Everyone looks so creepy! Although I like Squeaky's Albanian look.

"The cast of Jesus Christ Superstar relaxes after turning in their 100th performance."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm9cjrwBIdM

Wonder what Linda Kasabian thinks of the band named after her. I see her really digging their psychadelic rock vibes but I fear she may accuse them of ripping off the Stone Roses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-fJGxTfeqI

castingtherunes (8 hours ago) Show Hide 0 Marked as spam Reply

She's hott and she's a little charmer. I think I have a new girlfriend. Squeaky Fromme.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/03/no-compassionate-release-for-manson-follower/?hp

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26388459-401,00.html

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v483/catalinamack/mansonson.jpg

“He sends me weird stuff and always signs it with his swastika,” Mr Roberts said.

ugh, daaaaaaaad

Despite his adoptive father telling him “nothing good” would come of discovering who his real parents were, Mr Roberts used a social services agency to locate his mother, Terry.

She confirmed Mr Roberts was adopted and told him his birth name was Lawrence Alexander but would not reveal the last name.

Eventually Terry relented and revealed that Mr Roberts' father was Manson, who she claims raped her in 1967 after she had succumbed to his manic charisma.

"She even said, 'You look just like him', Mr Roberts said recalling the shocking revelation.

Oh man that would be the worst thing to hear right after that! "You got made when I was raped by CHarles Manson...and you look just like him, honey." ;_;

yeah it sucks too that if i walked by that guy on the street i would think "hey lol that guy looks like charles manson." he must get that a lot.

After all the "peaceful dude" talk, this

"If I did talk to Charlie on the phone, I would say, 'I truly understand what it's like to be you, more than anyone could ever imagine on so many levels,'” Mr Roberts said.

struck me as a little weird.

dude's secretly thrilled to have an excuse for past and future drama

The man who married Susan Atkins. (fascinating article. worth checking out)

Charles Manson had a cellphone? California prisons fight inmate cellphone proliferation

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-prison-cellphones-20101203,0,1731644.story

Who is (was?) the West Family? Was this some popular TV show circa 2002?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_West

Yeah but not like you mean

http://ringtonetrue.com/downloadmp3ringtone/Beatles/Helter_Skelter.html

Okay--I do remember that story after all.

imagne charlie with a nextel chirp

http://www.releasecharlesmansonnow.blogspot.com/

Notorious killer Charles Manson was denied parole today after a California parole board noted that he recently bragged to a prison psychologist, "I am a very dangerous man."

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ap_charles_manson_dm_120405_wg.jpg

have felt for ages that the continued imprisonment of manson is a v weird & wrong thing

why would he want to be free? prison is his home.

Why is it weird and wrong for Charlie to be locked up?

he probly wouldn't kill anybody now, throw the dice i say

from what i can tell, he hasn't been a real threat to anyone for ages. he's just a crazy old man, imprisoned more than anything (it seems to me) for the general "sins" of the 1960s, fear of messianic hippie terror. should have been put in a proper mental hospital ages ago. has anyone ever served more hard time without having actually/directly killed anyone, or committed treason?

no one's ever served time for committing treason

really? i don't mean just in the US.

oh I dunno about other countries

but if yr including other countries then there have without question people who were held for longer for less

he is the kind of patient who, on a regular ward, will fuck up the weaker patients in a hurry - I have no doubt whatsoever of that. putting a guy like this on a ward with a bunch of dudes who don't know which way is up is a baaaaaaad idea.

John Gotti got life without parole
pretty sure there are a number of people who got the death penalty for being involved in a murder without actually committing it
Louisiana has people on death row for sexual assault on children IIRC

manson apologists are the world's most disgusting savages iirc.

He should turn his tattoo into the Microsoft Windows logo just to update his look a bit imo.

imprisoned more than anything (it seems to me) for the general "sins" of the 1960s, fear of messianic hippie terror

^^^^ hard truths

but if yr including other countries then there have without question people who were held for longer for less

generally for vague "crimes against the state", though, right? for belonging to the wrong party or publishing a questionable pamphlet or w/e.

where crimes of violence are concerned (and that's all the tate/labianca murders really were), manson seems to stand alone in terms of time served and general public horror accrued for murders one didn't even commit firsthand.

gotti, if we're honest about it, is in prison for running a vast criminal empire for years. includes many, many crimes, not just the fact that he ordered murders. and sexual assault of children seems on par w murder to me, so no surprise there.

Manson is imprisoned more than anything because he convinced a bunch of impressionable people to commit what, five murders?

Nine murders, iirc. Possibly more.

Why should the law make a distinction between murders committed first-hand and murders committed to order? It's pretty common for people to hire hitmen to off their spouses. They're quite rightly treated the same as they would be had they done it themselves.

Manson is imprisoned more than anything because he convinced a bunch of impressionable people to commit what, five murders?

― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:46 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there were seven murders, so far as i know know. that's a terrible crime, no argument. otoh, he was and still is very clearly insane. the fact that he's still seen as some hitler-level supermonster is bizarre to me.

Tate, Senring, Parent, Folger, Frykowsky, and the LoBiancos make seven. I think those are the only ones he was ever tried for.

first-hand vs. murder to order is a fair question. i'm not saying that charlie should have gotten off easier than his gang. he shouldn't. but i've always seen him primarily as an obvious case of mental illness, not of criminality a la gotti. and there's something weird to me about the holy dread in which he's held.

As that Rolling Stone article proves, Charlie's not even that interesting to read about. The continuing fascination with him is based on his status as an icon of evil, based on the legend built up by his prosecutor during the trial, not because he says or does stuff worth paying attention to. He touches the reporter on the nose unexpectedly and plays up his rep as a dangerous killer. He eagerly eats a candy bar. He talks wistfully about having sex with many young women almost half a century ago. In other words, he's a lot like any other long time inmate.

yeah exactly

he's not *actually* interesting at all

Still haven't read the RS piece, but as Jeff Guinn frames him in the book pictured above, I think Manson can be very interesting to read about. Trump: when I read the RS subheading, "He's nearly 80 and his Family is smaller, but darkness still surrounds America's most notorious criminal," the darkness part made me think of Trump's concession speech! (There seems to be no end to Trump's family, though.)

I was downtown today with no book and time to kill, so I bought Ed Sanders' Sharon Tate book.

weeeell given that i've read most of what there is to read on manson you could say i find him interesting.

it just bugs me that that that article affords him far too much thrall when so much of him is base, mundane & manipulative.

i liked that guinn approached him in a mundane, ordinary light. he's like a violent resentful PT Barnum who just wants to get over on any and every weak person who crosses paths with him.

Low-grade con man, no argument. I guess what I find so interesting myself--and I think it's there in Guinn's book, at least implicitly--is that his particular con was so perfectly suited to the time and the place that he accidentally found himself thrust into when he was released from prison roundabout 1964.

(Which doesn't explain why people like "Star" gravitate towards him today, although there's a different dynamic there--no less perverse--involving celebrity and such.)

yeah he has popularity working for him now, which he for sure didnt have back then. which i guess is where the interest lies. reeling in wilson & melcher, as well as the girls & tex et al through sheer manipulation

Trump's concession speech!

Freudian slip, wishful thinking, something like that.

thread title takes on a whole new meaning in the kanye/kim era

...or does it?

*steeples fingers, raises one eyebrow*

Is anyone watching the NBC series Aquarius, with David Duchovny, which is about an LAPD detective investigating Manson (and other things) in the months before the murders? It's pretty watchable, though it does try to cover too many bases, I think.

thread title takes on a whole new meaning in the kanye/kim era

lol I assumed this was who it was about before I saw the thread date

have no idea who this other "West" family is

it's pretty grim reading, to say the least

yr a dad Shakey. do not read about the other West family.

Sound advice.

The West family were more Texas Chainsaw Massacre than Manson.

I'm capable of sort of understanding how something like the Manson Family happens - drugs, impressionability, cult mindset, etc.. The West family, I just can't wrap my head around.

I'm reading this Sharon Tate biography, and something that had never occurred to me until tonight: how close I was geographically and on a timeline to the murders. We took a family trip to Disneyland in July of '69 (I was seven). I know we saw a baseball game at Anaheim Stadium, and I'm pretty sure Reggie Jackson (visiting) hit a home run. I checked the game logs, and that would mean the game was either July 19 or 20. The murders were August 9.

http://la.curbed.com/maps/mapping-13-key-locations-in-the-1969-manson-family-murders

Spahn Ranch is about 60 miles from the Disneyland area. I don't know how many days before and after the game we were there, but about an hour away they were planning and preparing for some awful stuff. (I guess I was just too young to hear anything about what happened when we got back to Toronto...I don't recollect knowing anything about the story until I started high school a few years later.)

that's gotta be an eerie feeling...

Big news!

BREAKING: Charles Manson follower Leslie Van Houten granted parole by California board.

— The Associated Press (@AP) September 6, 2017

Had missed she was granted it last year and Jerry Brown reversed it. Wonder if it'll happen again?

damn

I doubt Jerry's changed his mind

Brown's reversed Bruce Davis's parole four times.

just finished The Life and Times of Charles Manson

def feels pretty definitive
the whole story is just so unreal
the most telling detail for me was the one thing he always returned to, after having taken a course in prison, was How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie

^ ding

yeah that made so many aspects of his behaviour click together

About 30 pages into Jeffrey Melnick's Creepy Crawling: Charles Manson and the Many Lives of America's Most Infamous Family. Same idea as Dead Elvis and Unshackled: The Dustbin of Donald Trump: Manson is everywhere.

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-5wx3mh9/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/237/1931/denied_stamp_180604__66005.1528149761.gif?c=2
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/03/us/leslie-van-houten-manson-family-parole/index.html

"I'm gonna run for president one day and I'll be damned if I give them any ammo against me!"

Are we including the Kardashians?

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Charles Manson follower Leslie Van Houten walked out of a California prison Tuesday after serving more than 50 years of a life sentence for her participation in two infamous murders.

Van Houten “was released to parole supervision,” the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation said in a statement.

Is she the only one to gain release?

nevermind, I see that Squeaky walked years ago

Missed this...I think she's the first directly responsible for the murders.

interesting article from a few years back about the ongoing rehabilitation of Van Houten, Kremwinkle & Atkins on behalf of a feminist coalition at the Santa Cruz prison project

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/keeping-faith-with-the-manson-women

i carry this info about her rehabilitation alongside the brutality of the LaBianca murders & I don’t really know where I land on it exactly

but i think prison is fucked & people deserve a second chance which also sounds naive of me idk

Not sure how I feel either, other than surprised--I thought the Tate family was vigilant (and convincing) about no one ever getting parole.

yeah - I think Sharon’s sister Debra was even representing on behalf of the LaBiancas. So I dunno.

I’d be interested to read what about this appeal turned things around.

I just finished another Mad Men rewatch last night. Everyone remembers Meredith's great line to Harry about the Manson Brothers, but I'd forgotten Don's follow-up as he pulls in to the office: "Are they coming in?"