2008 Primaries Thread

im saying it was the police beating up the young people is all - tell me ur just mocking the slime of the day

how so? i'm already pretty turned off by a number of things in her campaign, but like i said, i'll pull a lever for her over john mccain. but if she 'wins' the nom over my preferred candidate, not by actually getting out there and getting more voter support, but by either changing agreed-upon rules after the fact, or by leaning on the most back-room and undemocratic mechanism in the whole show, may be enough for me to tell her to fuck herself. metaphorically.

if she just straight up beats Obama, no problem, that's life.

xps

HILLARY WINS NOMINATION, CHAUNCEY BILLUPS RIOTS

This business of not counting all of the votes in Washington can only help Huckabee and Pauljust fuck up the Washington state GOP's chances on any state level this year, eh?

So gff, would you refuse to vote for Obama on principle if Clinton ended up with a lead in the pledged delegates but the superdelegates swung the nomination to him?

CHAUNCEY BILLUPS HITS THREE AS TIME EXPIRES TO SEAL NOMINATION FOR OBAMA

lets make chauncey a superdelegate

Bahaha, like cops these days care if protestors throw a punch before the gassing and clubbing begins.

An Edwards aide confirms to me that his meeting with Obama, which was schedule for today and was expected to focus on the possibility of an endorsement, has been canceled.

"The two of them have had a number of conversations in recent weeks and will continue to do so, but there is no meeting today," the aide says.

It's unclear as yet why it was canceled or whether it was rescheduled. Edwards met with Hillary on Thursday.

Speaking of, did Gabbneb ever confirm that his real name is Chauncey?

well yeah the police were beating up people in their hotel rooms and all kinds of horrible shit and most protestors were entirely peaceful but there were factions of sds committed to violently attacking the police as a deliberate strategy, they never denied this and were pretty proud of it -- in october of that year they got about 8000 people (many fewer than they had hoped) into chicago to attack the police again

thinking that the conventions protests were all about a bunch of peace-n-love hippies getting trounced by sweaty policemen fundamentally misunderstands the direction sds was taking at the time, which was deliberate violence against what they saw as the shock troops of imperialism, i.e. "the pigs"

i point this out just to remind ourselves how different that era was to this one and how ridiculous it is to make comparisons between the two -- then, you had thousands of white youth actively pursuing a working alliance with the black panther party to bring down the government of the united states

ilx.xls corrupted?

valid points tracer - still most of the violence was cop on hippie

nate i'd have to think about it! like i said, HRC is already running on a big 'affection defecit' w/ me. but that scenario seems unlikely -- the superdelegates going against the overall voting picture seems unlikely to me, either way, come to think, but what do i know, i'm not a big DNC muckety muck. it's the MI/FL situation that pisses me off the most, tbh

well yeah, mot of the violence in iraq is america-on-iraqi but that doesn't mean there aren't iraqis engaging in armed struggle in order to provoke, inflame, polarize, and in general tie america down in quicksand

okay, so i guess that the number of delegates at stake in each congressional district is partly determined by the number of Democratic voters in that district during the last general election and NOT strictly by the total population in that districts. in short: traditionally democratic outposts are richer in delegates. make of that what you will as you gaze into your tea leaves.

Also the cops beat a bunch of peaceful protestors in NYC right before the Chicago convention. Also, fuck cops.

speaking as a white student, im actively pursuing an alliance with beer and chicks

Tracer's real name is DALEY

the fact that no one on the planet has a definitive set of numbers on this delegate business is horrifying and embarrassing to me, the more i think about it. what the fuck, how can this be something other that completely, mathematically transparent??

paging Capt Louis Renault

a bunch of super tuesday wards still havent even reported!

morbs that would make sense if i was in fact working for the democratic party or involved in delegate selection or something.

points for cineaste flair, tho: B-

max to be fair i think a lot of weathermen were too

michelle obama on larry king live! tonight... haha, i wonder if michelle will be able to keep the eyes from rolling out her head sharing the camera with that decrepit hack.

speaking as a white student, im actively pursuing an alliance with beer and chicks

is Max's real name Eli Manning?

tracer that is insanity. the sds didn't instigate 68, fucking daley did! they had to get The Party Man (humphrey) on the ticket, and were doing everything they could to maintain control on the democratic party. i am shocked that you are arguing this, brother!

lets make chauncey a superdelegate

co-sign

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^^^ as if you need another reason to detest AXE BODY SPRAY

Is that a real ad? If so, yeesh.

when did tracer start working for the DLC?

apparently, yes

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As unthrilled as I am w/Hillary as a candidate, it is crap like that that almost makes me want to vote for her.

now i want camp Obama to flip out at unilever or whoever all indignantly, do DARE suggest he wears axe

to dare suggest, i mean.

lol shoulda been a paul button

the idea of hillary all hotly bothered by frat-jock spray-on stink is enough to make my mind just reel away from the inevitable conclusion of that scenario

HILLARY '08: COUGAR'S CHOICE

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Aesthetically pleasing symmetry in that last week.

if she 'wins' the nom over my preferred candidate, not by actually getting out there and getting more voter support, but by either changing agreed-upon rules after the fact, or by leaning on the most back-room and undemocratic mechanism in the whole show, may be enough for me to tell her to fuck herself.

this seems like the biggest danger right now. for a long time i just ignored punditry about the perils of a divided party because it seems like most clinton supporters would back obama and vice versa. but as it goes along and stays close it's hard for supporters of not to develop real antipathy for the other. and the appearance of backroom dealmaking could really piss off a lot of people. the last thing you want is to go into or come out of a convention with a bunch of people accusing each other of shenanigans.

i don't know the best way to avoid that, but it seems like the campaigns should be thinking about it. except that they're probably both too wrapped up in just trying to win the nomination.

"supporters of one" that should say.

Paul Weyrich just endorsed Huckabee.

there are still a lot of unpledged superdelegates. the way it should work is that they stay unpledged until the convention and tip a bigger margin to the popular vote / pledged delegate leader. but the campaigns are working against that scenario by heavily lobbying the SD's for immediate endorsements ...

hey! you guys remember mike gravel? uh... yeah, he's still running. what's he up to, i wonder?

many xposts:

I had a goat named Chauncey.

xp he is chillin'.
I thought he had dropped out due to his health but last week i heard him on the radio (pacifica, and he made them sound realistic; iirc at one point he decried the US having a standing army).

I had a goat named Chauncey.

And then you killed him and ate him. Mean.

Actually, my boyfriend did.

YGS -- from what i understand most of sds saw mccarthy as the democratic party's "pressure valve" to convince the more militant youth that the democratic party was going to bring their concerns on board, i.e. get the protests out of the streets and into the party, thereby coopting the energy of the movement but making sure that energy was mobilized behind a candidate sure to lose

the only thing i'm really arguing is that violence was in fact the aim of a small hard-core group of future weathermen because they thought it would radicalize sympathizers as well as show the rest of the world that they weren't afraid to fight and get hurt -- but i agree absolutely that they didn't plan for anything like what ended up happening and also they they didn't actually instigate shit nearly as much as the cops. maybe i'm making too much of a big deal of this, but i think it is really important to remember that "militancy" wasn't a euphemism then and many student organizers considered violence essential for advancing their cause (and saw the panthers -- perhaps romantically in some cases -- as the real leaders of the revolution they wanted to fight). protesters DID attack cops and not just in self-defense. i didn't think i needed to make clear that wasn't the whole story!

is Max's real name Eli Manning?

If so, THANK YOU, MAX, FOR BEATING THE N.E. PATRIOTS. YOU CAN BOOZE IT UP AND CAVORT WITH WOMEN ALL YOU LIKE. I'll only begin hating you if the NYG repeat next year (but no chance).