Continuing with CDs?

Out of curiosity, does anyone here file any solo work or side-projects with your records from the band? I rarely do that and only with something like Intermission, which is a compilation of both Robert Forster and Grant McLennan's solo work on separate discs. (Rather than split it up, I just file it with The Go-Betweens.) I've noticed some record stores doing that with certain solo records, I guess to get them noticed more.

I don’t — my solo Who discs are separate from my Who discs. But if I’m in a record store, I know their solo records are always under W.

Also, I sort chronologically within the artist. If there’s a compilation of said artist, I file it based on the last-recorded song on the compilation. So the Beatles Anthology 3 is filed before 2 and 1 since 3’s latest recording is 1970. This rule does not apply to Sun Ra, since recording dates on, for instance, The Solar Myth Approach are both unconfirmed and all over the place.

One frustrating thing I recently noticed is that The Harder They Come, despite being a compilation, is credited solely to Jimmy Cliff on the spine. For a few minutes the other day I was looking for it among my multi-artist compilations and wondering, “Did I loan that to someone and never get it back?”

ha, my Sun Ra is filed by the earliest recording on the record, so Sound Sun Pleasure/Deep Purple is first in the CD section

I don't have Solar Myth anymore but I'm pretty sure the earliest ones on that are '68, refer to Sun Ra Listening Thread for details

xxxp

Most of my CDs are alpha by artist (same as unperson). Albums are chronological, comps placed more or less at the end of the era they compile, the same for live and archival releases. I'll make exceptions where a particular group of discs have a unified aesthetic — e.g., I have a few of the Restless Retro Can CDs and then I have all the hybrid SACDS that were issued in the '00s, and I put the recent live releases at the end after all of those.

Classical is a separate section by composer. Mostly I don't have enough by individual composers to worry much about the order (or they're in box sets already). Jazz is separate by artist/group leader. I also have small sections for pre-rock pop/vocal stuff and non-Western musics that are often field recordings, as with the Nonesuch Explorer Series. It has occurred to me that there's a neocolonial effect in the artists who actually played on these albums being named only incidentally (even when it's just one musician), subordinated by the logic of the series. But I did collect the discs as part of the series — that's historically how they appeared, as commodities. My home is like a record store, that way.

I should be using Discogs to sell stuff but I’m just mercilessly culling what I don’t need - music, books, and movies - and giving it to Goodwill.

As of this year, unless there's real value to it, it actually makes more sense to donate it to Goodwill. A recent tax law that will finally go into effect means that PayPal has to issue a 1099-K if you gross more than $600 in merchant sales (Discogs and whoever else utilizes PayPal), and $600 is not a lot of money - that $600 threshhold includes any shipping charges and even the sales tax that has to be collected, which is pretty ridiculous. So if you're selling mostly CD's in the $3 to $5 range and you end up grossing $600 via Discogs, you could be taking a home a pittance for hours of work. At least with Goodwill, you only need to make one dropoff, get a receipt and claim a tax deduction - you could end up making close to the same amount of money for a fraction of the time and effort.

Probably goes without saying, but it applies to eBay too - you get taxed once you hit $600 in gross, and again the gross includes and shipping or taxes that the buyer pays (i.e. money that was never going to end up in your pocket anyway). FWIW, you could spread things around - eBay's payment system to sellers is now their own thing as they spun off PayPal years ago, so if you grossed, say, $599 of stuff on eBay and $599 on sales collected through PayPal, you wouldn't get taxed.

my understanding is that it's technically taxable no matter how much you sell, $600 is just what triggers the tax form and reports it to the IRS.

which is only a problem if you get audited really but....just to keep in mind

you only get taxed on the profit you made on the CDs. if you're selling CDs you bought for $18 from FYE in 1996 for $3, it doesn't matter how many you sell - you didn't make any money so you won't get taxed on it.

if you're selling CDs that somebody donated to you for free, yeah any income you net out after sales tax/shipping etc. is taxable.

I stand corrected: https://www.taxact.com/tax-information/4-common-misconceptions-about-form-1099-k

But how simple is it to report cost if they're CD's you purchased years ago (and therefore no longer have a record)? Theoretically they're ALL at a loss. If there's no receipt or record documenting what you paid for, are you out of luck?

Will some of you guys who are giving CD's to Goodwill please move to Savannah and give them away at the Goodwill near me?

xp it only matters if you get audited. if you're selling enough volume to attract the attention of the IRS, hopefully you've kept good records...

i received a 1099-k from ebay last year because I sold a few pieces of camera equipment - at a loss. i have receipts but iirc i just filled in the line on my taxes for the cost basis of what i sold - easy peasy. no need to submit receipts - the IRS is too busy for that

Just bought a portable CD player for the first time in about a quarter-century, for $53. Basically a silly purchase, since I have my 8.5kish albums all ripped to 320kbps, which my ears can barely differentiate from CDs/FLAC. But just thought it would be fun to have a dedicated player, so I could occasionally pull a CD off the shelf. Going to hook them up to some little Audioengine A2s I bought about a decade ago and have scarcely used.

The players are clearly of massively inferior quality in 2023 than they were in the late 90s, in terms of materials, build quality, and design. Hopefully they didn't somehow get worse on the sound front--decent sound from a headphone jack was standard even in cheapo players, back when. Cool that now they have rechargeable built-in batteries, FM radios, etc., at least.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F083DsDX0AAiU6v?format=jpg&name=large

Are there any problems with vintage discmans wearing out or are they generally troopers?

I have a few with mixed results - some play great but some are quite skippy, esp with Track 1s - which I think indicates the laser wearing out? I guess it is to do with how much they were used

Might also be worth considering lubrication - the grease on the rails where the laser tracks across the disc might have accumulated fluff, hardened or gummed up by now. A laser which is always returning to the centre track (1) might have built up a bit of crap there which prevents it from reaching the starting position easily.

yeah the grease is the #1 culprit. the 90s players sound great but will also skip from you placing your elbows on the table. it's a tradeoff.

do new portable players handle cdrs full of mp3s? i could see that being handy. just burn your collection onto, er, 1000 cdrs and you can take it all with you

(they do, i looked. i only saw mp3 and wav but i imagine some will do flac)

A Discman with a cache of MP3 CDs? Welcome to my life in 2002.

this was pretty much my favorite thing I owned in the early 00s:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41ET3P2288L._SY300_.jpg

had a little CD binder in which I kept my dozen or so mp3 cdrs so I could carry around my entire music collection in a small backpack

r u me

Just bought a new small stereo for the living room because the CD door on my current model doesn't like to open; it often takes three or four pushes of the button to get it to load a disc, and then I'm worried it'll be stuck in there when it finishes playing. Anyway, this one is about 60W, which is plenty of power for where I'll have it (my neighbors are very quiet and I don't want to annoy them by becoming the loud guy).

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81-rEqo1OyL.jpg

loving the minimalist design of that.

test

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81-rEqo1OyL.jpg

I took this thing virtually everywhere for a few years.

This latest discussion has prompted me to pull out my late 90s CD walkmen, connect them to my Sonos Five and see if they still work.

https://i.etsystatic.com/32862796/r/il/b5d0be/4682707943/il_300x300.4682707943_topy.jpg

(Whoops!)

Just a note, because I'm wondering if they'll even play in older players, but CD storage capacity has increased quite a bit and it's gone largely unremarked. The new John Coltrane/Eric Dolphy live recording, Evenings at the Village Gate, that's out this week has almost 81 minutes of music on a single disc.

yeah, my cd drive would not be happy about that.
anything over the red book rules, and it seriously struggles.
thankfully i have an old HP XP Windows machine that cares not and rips such cds without any complaints but it can't lookup the metadata of course.

I'm a little surprised it hasn't been a bigger story in the music press, though I suspect that the big labels are all fixated on the grotesque profits from vinyl, and their music-journo lapdogs just do what they're told. "CDs are better than ever" is not the narrative the labels want at the moment.

It seems like there's still regard for redbook standards in some quarters. Osees' Face Stabber has a track that runs some 40 seconds longer on vinyl than on CD (most of what you lose is birdlike feedback); they put the full-length version on a sampler CD that went out with some copies of their next album. It feels like the discs that stretch the limit, like individual CDs in huge classical box sets, are almost hoping not to get caught (...in an aging CD player that can't read them, I guess).

Unperson--I looked at that little shelf system, but figured I have multiple pair of unused powered speakers, and so a little portable would work and provide more flexibility (and was cheaper). But I'll be curious what you think of that little system...

Spastic Heritage and Silverfish--had both of those mp3-CD players, seemed so revolutionary. But then within a couple years there were laptop HDD-based systems where you could buy and put in your own HDD, so by 2003 or so I had a 100GB player, which truly seemed inconceivable. Now I carry around a 1TB microSD card, which fits all 8.5kish of my albums, in my phone--which was the fantasy those early mp3 players unleashed: to have at all times ones entire lifetime of album purchases. (Of course, I never conceived of "everything" being streamable, fortunately never went down that dark path...). And I love it--putting 100k+ tracks on random is a remarkable experience, a bizarro "this is your life".

Before all that, I had a 200 and 300 disc Sony CD changers, daisy chained such that they could play on random together without a gap (one playing while the other queued up).

I think listening on random to my own collection was actually really healthy. It helped foster a sensibility where I was more interested in the commonalities and connections between all kinds of music, more than the differences.

Still, more to the theme of this thread--these days I'm really enjoying sitting with one album at a time, beginning-to-end...

When I recently made my first glass-mastered CD of my own music (a 2CD set compiling 3 albums and an EP), I was surprised the first place I was going to use swore 70 minutes was the absolute maximum length they would do--I didn't think the limit had ever been less than 74 minutes, even in the early 80s?

I still ended up having to keep it under 78 minutes, with the better company I went with...

I think listening on random to my own collection was actually really healthy.

totally agree, I discovered so much cool stuff I had overlooked or forgotten about when I did this

Well the circa 2005 batteries had exploded but fortunately it was easy to clean off. My Panasonic SL-SX460 portable player started up flawlessly, Woohoo! I just got a batch of CDs from a friend looking to clear them out, too.

Hey this CD player

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F083DsDX0AAiU6v?format=jpg&name=large

is pretty nice, so far. Sounds good. Display is nice. Build quality is obviously not an all-metal Sony from 1999, but it's not bad, and not as massive as I asssumed (though much chunkier than the best players were). And no fakey "brand name" on it, so feels less cheesy than most current Chinese electronics, in that regard. For $55, I bet you could do a lot worse, these days...

dammit the word is out

https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/2023/08/19/gen-z-collectors-love-the-cd/

Just a note, because I'm wondering if they'll even play in older players, but CD storage capacity has increased quite a bit and it's gone largely unremarked. The new John Coltrane/Eric Dolphy live recording, Evenings at the Village Gate, that's out this week has almost 81 minutes of music on a single disc.

― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, July 14, 2023 1:49 PM (one month ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah, my cd drive would not be happy about that.
anything over the red book rules, and it seriously struggles.
thankfully i have an old HP XP Windows machine that cares not and rips such cds without any complaints but it can't lookup the metadata of course.

― mark e, Friday, July 14, 2023

the professional CD players at my radio station, which are now at least 15 years old, refused to play that disc

(i found the receipt for my Technics CD player the other day. £89.95, July 97)

weirdly, today, my second external optical drive died.
been a bit dodgy re ripping for a few weeks now, but today absolutely no response when connecting it to the laptop.
thankfully, replacement via 'zon are not too pricey and my demands are a lot less these days now that my cd archive has been ripped so it sjust about the charity shop purchases now.

Hey this CD player is pretty nice, so far.

Someone recently recommended this one

From that WaPo article —

Tabby Bernardus, 22, a recent college graduate from Los Angeles (…) pops them into her car stereo — the only CD player she has anymore, because the multi-disc player is long gone — and listens to the entire album in its intended order.

Tabby Bernardus OTM (perhaps she has driven by me, a very not-recent college graduate, doing the exact same thing for the same reason)

(meant to block-quote that 2nd paragraph)

Really getting back into CDs lately, myself. The expense and overall feeling of.... fomo obligation? to buy reissue vinyl is losing its appeal. I'm always in my car and can enjoy a physical media object while driving. Plus it's more about finding things than the price. I don't look at my CDs and think about the value because there isn't any haha. Vinyl collecting these days is all about value and having perfectly sharp corners on the sleeve.... barf.

My main reason for having spotify is it's stupid not to for checking out new releases or pulling up something immediately or whatever. But I find no joy in it.

I recently picked up a no frills, no bonus tracks, not remastered Village Green Preservation Society ($2.25), the same way I heard it originally and connected with it MUCH more than the fancy ass mono/stereo vinyl reissue I have or the 3 CD bonus track stuffed version I used to have, and way more than hearing a random track on a playlist.

The low price point is part of the appeal for 20-year-old Veronica Fuentes. Fuentes began collecting because she thought it would be funny to purchase a Lindsay Lohan CD she found at a thrift store. Since then, she’s established an assortment of mostly ’90s alt rock, which she uses in part for decoration.

I love the idea of starting something ironically and then falling into it for real