Grimes/Claire Boucher thread

This is a good read on the shockingly stupid and somewhat dangerous views she and the people around her are into

https://viewpointmag.com/2017/03/28/the-darkness-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel-artificial-intelligence-and-neoreaction/

yawn - roko's basilisk again? (J/K, I love you, future AI)

Techno Marie Antoinette

(Googles "roko's basilisk," googles "Newcomb’s paradox," gets a headache ... )

she's one of those artists i can't imagine ever touring again, and i'm guessing her absolutely demented associations aren't getting more blowback and backlash because ppl don't care about her anymore, unless they're extremely online stans.

i think she's playing some festivals in south america later this year

as far as backlash being reduced, she's barely put out any music in the last few years so that's surely a factor. if the new album ever comes out then that'll be enough for her to get more attention and get more backlash

It’s a weird standard. Ariel Pink and John Maus got cancelled and get removed from festivals (eg: https://pitchfork.com/news/john-maus-exits-electronicon-2023-lineup-curator-george-clanton-apologizes-for-booking-him/ ) for attending the Capitol riots, which yeah sucks and fuck them, but meanwhile Grimes is partying with facists and she’s still around.

I guess you get a pass if you’re not explicit enough and tweet racist dog whistles instead.

at the risk of getting canceled myself, while her comments are bad, it sort of seems like if you accept a crude definition of patriarchy, as many do, then you sort of have to come to her conclusion. if a system of oppression is total then it’s responsible for the good things too. put another way, by trying to show just how deep things go, we can sometimes grant them more power than they really have. i think a lot of nu-fascism comes crawling through little conceptual openings like that.

it’s just goofy

so if you think about things in an intentionally shallow and pretend-ignorant way, you reach bad conclusions? lol

also I don't how nu "but patriarchy built the roads" is

seems like a variation on "mussolini made the trains run on time"

well also roads suck. fuck a world dominated by cars, asphalt, and dumb men

yeah if you didn't watch the clip she names: the supply chain, food, Uber, roads, and civilization as good things that came from the patriarchy. thanks for all the food, patriarchs!

woman, man, person, supply chain, food, Uber, roads

We didn't start the patriarchy

isn't it enough to say "i'm allowed to criticize the system without needing to flatly reject every helpful aspect of contemporary existence" ?

that's @ uptown

in any event, citing uber like it's one of the crowning achievements of western civilization is just laughably stupid. good thing we live in a meritocracy, so deserving intellectuals and artists like her can rise to the top!

to reiterate, it’s goofy. for every change in the system you can say that everything that has existed got you to this time so why change?

sounds like some shit from the nxivm documentary

It's like when Matt Walsh recently said that slavery was good because if it hadn't happened then maybe his grandparents would never have met and he'd be wiped out of existence

sounds like some shit from the nxivm documentary

lol yes

xp: waht

It's like when Matt Walsh recently said that slavery was good because if it hadn't happened then maybe his grandparents would never have met and he'd be wiped out of existence

― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Thursday, June 29, 2023 10:27 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

another mark against slavery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWKfvZjhv10

Look, I also wouldn’t exist were it not for slavery but that in no way justifies the existence of slavery and, not to brag about myself or anything, but I’m way better for humanity than Matt fucking Walsh

somebody stepped on a butterfly

She’s a shallow hype parrot, the worrisome aspect for me is that she’s parroting the dangerously dumb shit she’s hearing with the sillicon valley nepo babies and techno fascists she’s been hanging around with for the past years.

I mean, it was the libertarian burner-adjacent post-hippies in montreal years ago and before that she did the "not a houseboat" thing

I think Thiel and company fund this crap because they know where people can likely end up as far as political and economic stances go, but so much of it is just fatuous bullshit that sounds like it came from a 20 year old who has been away from home a couple years and decided it's interesting to be contrarian in a trolly way. And some people just never outgrow that. Most of them don't vote, luckily

lol

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_652,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86973eb3-0373-46c8-a898-a436f1d5e21d_1600x900.jpeg

thought this was going to be the not very good new song but lmao

It’s great that I haven’t heard of two of those people but I’m comfortable assuming they’re dumbasses by proximity.

yeah grimes is the least reactionary person involved lol and hopefully will derail the whole thing with inane points about how vr is going to cause a new sexual revolution or something like that

Triggered by Meta releasing the “legs” upgrade I expect

I was curious:

In the book, Perry, a columnist at the New Statesman,[3] compares liberal feminists surrounding sex to capitalism.[3] Perry argues that effective means of contraception has benefited men by representing sex as a recreational activity.[2] Perry explores the abuse of women who produce pornography, arguing the notion of consent can mask harms and the association between pornography and violent sexual behaviour.[4] Considering men, Perry notes the temporal correlation between erectile dysfunction and the use of pornography.[4]

Perry draws upon her experience of working in a rape crisis centre to argue that liberal feminism minimises the sex differences, resulting in an unwillingness to consider what women can do to reduce the risk of sexual assault in a desire to avoid victim blaming.[2] Perry argues that conceptions about rape being motivated by the desire for power may be incorrect and may be motivated by a desire for sexual gratification.[5] Perry argues the sex-positive movement requires women to not comment on certain sexual behaviours such as kinks, sex work, and engage in sexual behaviour like men.[2] Perry expresses alarm at the sexual practice of choking, noting an increase in the practice and concern regarding the rough sex murder defense.[4]

In 2013 Haider and Muhammad Syed co-founded Ex-Muslims of North America (EXMNA), an advocacy organization and online community which aims to normalize religious dissent and to helping create local support communities for those who have left Islam.[6] The organization was first based in just Washington, DC, and Toronto, but is now active in over 25 locations in the United States and Canada.[1]

EXMNA believes Muslim communities often shun those who are accused of apostasy as well as their families and that fear of excommunication and violence makes it dangerous for closeted ex-Muslims if they are exposed as disbelievers.[10] They have stated that Islamic "apostates live with a level of threat that influences every aspect of life," because when someone leaves the faith they often lose their community and social support including their mosque, their friends, and even potentially their family. This is the reason why EXMNA believes that it is very important to normalize dissent in religious communities and why they have created a network of social support for those who chose to leave Islam.[11][12] Due to the fear of apostates being "outed," EXMNA has a lengthy screening process to ensure the security and safety of EXMNA members.[11]

In 2015 she gave a speech called "Islam and the Necessity of Liberal Critique" at the American Humanist Association's 74th annual conference in Denver, Colorado, that has been widely viewed since uploaded to YouTube. During an interview with Dave Rubin she said she was nervous to deliver the speech, believing the topic of Islam and dissent to be "sensitive", yet was delighted at how well the speech was received.[7] Haider, a self-described liberal, is disheartened by what she feels is a hostile attitude towards Ex-Muslims by her fellow liberals. She has said women who leave Islam often "face ostracism, beatings, harassment and threats from their families and communities, forced travel back to home countries to pry them free of Western influence, and forced marriage," and therefore should be among the most welcomed by the liberal community. However, she feels that she and other Ex-Muslims are shunned by the left, having been called an Islamophobe. Haider has stated that this makes the position of Ex-Muslim atheists precarious because "the political right is not our friend. We don't have allies on the right due to our atheism," but at the same time she feels Ex-Muslims also have very few allies on the left.[3]

In 2017 Haider decided to take EXMNA on a tour around the United States and Canada to speak at college campuses throughout the 2017–2018 academic year. EXMNA spoke on a variety of topics that affect Muslims and ex-Muslims.[1]

Leaked footage of grimes rehearsing for the women’s debate

grimes at the women’s debate pic.twitter.com/iqrtmeDc0H

— lexaprofessional (@queasy_f_bby) August 1, 2023

what a fucking moron

grimes just did an interview with wired and uhhhhh https://t.co/Tnci1MNzYg pic.twitter.com/F0a5ah9WjA

— Best of Dying Twiter (@bestofdyingtwit) August 8, 2023

And on the Xth Day, the arguments happened.

I do miss the days when we were blissfully unaware about which of our favourite musicians were fucking idiots.

"With AI you can be in some shitty town where you don’t have access to a good school, and you can have, like, a world-class education."

Convincing Elon to challenge Mark Zuckerberg to an actual dick measuring contest is pretty funny

When I told my millennial son that I was interviewing her, he questioned her relevance.

she was always a dumbass, difference is just it was more endearing when it lead to mostly benign goofy takes and the houseboat story, before she started hanging out with fascists

If anyone asks why I just walked into the woods and was never seen again, just show them this snippet of EM and Grimes’ courtship story pic.twitter.com/mRYZxB7hjS

— 🎃Maggie Serota (@maggieserota) August 10, 2023

She's like a college dorm room bong rip that became sentient

lmao of fucking course Elon is the type of asshole that has to immediately quiz a woman to see if she's a "real fan"

"We can solve climate change with AI and stuff"

i do think she’s riding some post-trump social-energy shift where some people are somehow able to use their incessant idiocy as a source of power; Elons repeated faceplants at twitter and the attendant mockery cresting a feedback loop of motivation to be even more annoying; I feel that Eric Adams has a similar energy. I guess it’s just shamelessness but it seems sort of a case of difference in degree being so complete that it becomes a difference of kind. it’s like the inverse of modern toxic fan culture

I say this because she seems to be adept at the “flood the zone with shit” rhetorical technique that the above mentioned also use; I was expecting the revive to be about this but there’s all sorts of other stupid things to consider now:

I love Lizzo. Not saying I don't believe ppl when bad things happen, but I had dancers mistreated on my watch in ways I didn't find out about until way later. Mebe shit is bad. But loyalty matters to me. Lizzo was kind to me and others for a decade before she was "cool", and…

— 𝔊𝔯𝔦𝔪𝔢𝔰 (@Grimezsz) August 6, 2023

has anyone ever said anything good with "just my two cents" appended to it?

just my roll of nickels