MBV Comeback.

yeah Nu Shooz and Glass Tiger are both gonna recreate the magic of their live albums

ok I'll stop now

Glass Tiger? Crap, now I gotta go to show my national prize. CURSE YOU JOHN.

Don't forget them when they're gone

My heart would break.

the four bands/peoples playing old album material have all put out new material recently. i would love to hear tortoise play 'djed' live

http://www.lizardtree.com/images/0701/hippyfireworks.jpg

i would love to hear tortoise play 'djed' live

:P

yeah big fuckin' deal if ppl wanna see some bands do some records they like.

i dunno, this idea that these fuckin' festivals are so goddamned important and need to show us the blinding crazy future of music seems stupider and more pernicious than nostalgia. nostalgia revolves around trying to have fun and enjoy something. handicapping festival lineups and shit and saying that some dumb rock show isn't doing it's TERRIBLY CRUCIAL JOB OF ESTABLISHING WHAT IS AND ISN'T THIS FICTIONAL IDEA OF THE VANGUARD seems more boring to me than anything.

dudes will probably go and have fun. if i were in the area or had more $$ i'd totally think about going. drink some overpriced beer and see some bands. i had a hella good time seeing joan jett at ribfest one year. i'd probably get crunk seeing built to spill do their best album if after a couple of MGDs.

grilling brats during MBV's reunion would be a pretty crewsh idea too.

izzat that you, whiney? you look excited

lol izzat that

i dunno, this idea that these fuckin' festivals are so goddamned important and need to show us the blinding crazy future of music seems stupider and more pernicious than nostalgia.

I don't want to argue this too much because I see your point, but the lineup for this really seems like the equivalent of a festival that features nothing but acts like Whitesnake, Poison, Steelheart, Cinderella and Dokken. Anything wrong with it? Probably not. Are we in danger of becoming our parents waving our fists in the air complaining about how much better music was in the 90s? Maybe.

Just to be clear: I'm not accusing anyone here of being that person waving their fists in the air, because I know ILX folks seem generally pretty engaged in what's going on today as well as what's happened in the past. But this lineup really seems calculated to appeal to a new generation of codgers.

But every musical subculture with any sort of longevity turns into a codger-producing factory -- either the standard bearers become hyper-vocal sticks in the mud, or the historians / canonizers beat the same old drum, or those that come later & sift through the rubble hold up their placards & dig in their heels.

OMG YOU'RE ONE OF *THEM*!!!

http://www.filminamerica.com/Movies/InvasionOfTheBodySnatchers1978/invasion23.jpg

Only by expelling the intruder can we properly enjoy Fuck Buttons oh wait.

(xpost geez Ned lay off the SUBMIT button)

You're Keith David. I'm Roddy Piper. Let's get it on.

What's your dream lineup for an MBV reunion festival?

MBV
Broadcast
Swervedriver
New Order
Husker Du
Josef K
Jesus Lizard
bIG fLAME
Minutemen
Birthday Party
Wire
Alan McGee dunking booth

(AKA fuck if I know)

Oh shit -- forgot about Scrawl, Small Factory, and Miles Davis peforming Kind of Blue for the token non-rock spot.

C'mon man, are you forgetting Tsunami and Mr. Mirainga?

sean i hear what you're saying.

it sucks that the years keep going by and by and all the cool new stuff becomes stale old stuff.

but personally, this is more just me, it's like the internet has kinda got me tired of the future. like it just seems like there is always good bands and bad bands, and it'll all sort itself out...i don't really see the idea of movements or revolutions or whatever as being that relevant anymore. it's just random ppl making stuff and some of it sticks and some of it doesn't....one day i might want to listen to black mountain or another day i might want to listen to buddy holly or guilty simpson or whatever.

everyone likes to think about the olden tymes. whether that meant you rocked tied dies and flares or mohawks or charlie brown t-shirts and converse. and why not? if the music was good and you want to see it again, that seems just as relevant anymore as like checking out be your own pet or lil wayne.

ok, the Rock Festival Hero video game is becoming less of a joke and really needs to happen.

it will use the much touted BOON-GA BOON-GA game engine.

Have you heard of Mr. Mirainga yet? If you havn't, you soon will. Slowly but surely, Mr. Mirainga is creeping into American homes. Mr. Mirainga (Mer-aine-gay) made their stunning debut with an EP titled Fuck The Scene. Now out comes their debut self-titled album, and it's already turning people's heads. The song "Burnin' Rubber" is on the Ace Ventura 2: When Nature Calls. This song burned its way straight up Billboard's Modern Rock Tracks. And now with the Adam Sandler-meets-Rancid single "Baglady", Mr Mirainga will be around a while.

Some of their favorite bands are the Sex Pistols, Black Flag, and The Clash. These punkish influences show up in songs like "57 South" and "Waterdog". Keeping with the punk tradition, only 5 of the 15 songs are above three and half minutes.

Then again, these guys aren't from the New York punk scene. According to bassist Hedge, "We're not part of any scene in particular. We are an Arizona band." Being so close to Mexico, some of those mamba-samba sounds have seeped into Mr. Mirainga's music - such as the wonderfully Latin "Saguarro's Cryin'", and sometimes even fusing the two as in the song "Jalopeno Eyes" - pronounced as it looks, not as pronounced in Spanish.

A little pop-punk, a little bit salsa and that's Mr. Mirainga. They're on tour with God Lives Underwater - a show not to be missed.

NB: I resisted listing Tsunami for reals because of my shamless Simple-Machines-fanboy past.

Adam Sandler-meets-Rancid

Punky Gilmore

but personally, this is more just me, it's like the internet has kinda got me tired of the future. like it just seems like there is always good bands and bad bands, and it'll all sort itself out...i don't really see the idea of movements or revolutions or whatever as being that relevant anymore. it's just random ppl making stuff and some of it sticks and some of it doesn't....one day i might want to listen to black mountain or another day i might want to listen to buddy holly or guilty simpson or whatever.

you M don't misread me, I agree with what you're saying here - I am totally in favor of old bands still working, and I don't say they have to be always innovating. (It'd be pretty ripe for me to be the guy demanding that bands always be branching out, right?) But it's this revivalism that icks me out - like, if, I don't know, MBV doing Loveless turned out to be Shields playing all the songs on a Fender Rhodes and singing the words clearly, that'd be interesting and different. But "great bands performing their classic albums" - when the bands and albums in question were iconoclastic signal moments whose very motivations, in some cases, were the tearing down of dwelling-in-the-past modes of thinking - well, y'know, it's like I'm sure that last Sex Pistols tour was a fine rockin' time, but how sad for it to have come to that. You know? It's not that I ONLY want CONVULSIVE! INNOVATION! - fuck dude I listen to death metal, that shit has been stagnant for ages and I like it that way - but (and I say this as an old dude!) once you start making a point of reliving the past, it's just strikes me as really conservative.

xpost Ned every time I post I'm xposting with you

Slow day at work, active MBV thread...

LOL

I'd pay $12 to see The Mountain Goats (w/ Rachel!) perform... Sweden.

^^^^ wipeout

your $12 are safe, when we played together last year we made a point of learning new stuff together - fuck memory lane

I've been trying to put together a more cohesive reaction to this all beyond all the uselessness I've said so far on this thread, but John's mostly capturing where I'm coming from. Still, I'm of two minds about the play-albums-through thing but only because I think there can be exceptions to the rule -- I wouldn't mind seeing that whole Sparks deal going down in a few weeks, for instance, though at the same time they've made a point of touring their latest album each time that way and will be doing the same again with the newest one once everything's wrapped up in London, in otherwards fully putting the focus ON the new stuff as much as possible, however much they rely on certain standards in the rest of their sets.

As I semi-muttered above, really it's just something about the whole idea that this is where the sense of legacy has ended up, to a large but not complete extent (somehow I can't imagine Albini being a huge MBV fan but I could be missing something). And if Kevin Shields made the final decision on who played...I dunno, it's just that here was the guy who was talking about Public Enemy as the wave of the future in 1988 and raving on about jungle tracks back in 1993 and so forth.

You played together again?!?!?!?! No way. Any recordings out there?

I dunno, it's just that here was the guy who was talking about Public Enemy as the wave of the future in 1988 and raving on about jungle tracks back in 1993 and so forth.

you did hear the Lost In Translation soundtrack?

Of course. I should have known then!

More artists should be like Fela: play a song live for awhile, record it, then never play it again.

Watching a band play its classic album from beginning to end sounds like such a prefab experience.

like it just seems like there is always good bands and bad bands, and it'll all sort itself out...i don't really see the idea of movements or revolutions or whatever as being that relevant anymore. it's just random ppl making stuff and some of it sticks and some of it doesn't.

this is pretty much how I feel. as such I don't really have a desire to see MBV perform a single album, or anyone perform a single album in its entirety (sounds kinda boring and predictable). I will probably shell out for the Zep reunion tour though.

but yeah the idea that music was IMPORTANT because it SIGNALLED THE FUTURE or something and that makes it worth listening to... ah who gives a shit.

I've heard that Kev The Shields has released a new 'sus 4 add nine chord'?

He has been working on it for just the last 12 years and nine have died.

re: prefab experience:
I saw a Daydream Nation show and I was worried about that at the time, and yes, there was some immediacy taken away from the proceedings, where you felt like you were at a receital or something "important"...but that kind of dissipated after a few songs

I know this isn't the point of this thread, but:

You played together again?!?!?!?! No way. Any recordings out there?

http://www.archive.org/details/tmg2006-12-02

hey that's a good enough point. ah, pitzer college. i spent a good portion of my youth around there. but nothing as rad as that concert ever happened sadly.

all respect to tMg \m/, but someone put on an Unwound, Lync, Indian Summer, and Second Story Window show there in mid-1993. That's at least on the same tier of awesome... not to mention a Dump/Refrigerator show in 1999 or so.

See, this was the 90s awesomeness, bands from San Diego that lasted three weeks before recombining DNA to form two splinter groups until it was a mass pyramid schem'a screamo.

yeah i guess it's sad how things work out. but isn't a lot of this just a reaction to all the PR b.s. the artists themselves were spewing at the time they were fresh (like what ned was talking about).....the same stuff all the classic rock godz they were supposedly fighting against said when they were young bucks.

every generation thinks it invented the blowjob.

Talking bout my ge-ne-ra-tion!