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lag∞n otm about the feedback insularity loop

branding and marketing is terrible but they’re benign compared to the human instinct to give people more of what they want and the most vocal people are weirdos

mh, Saturday, 8 April 2023 15:39 (one year ago) link

at the tough school of ilx i learnt to give readers what they definitively do *not* want and im doing it again now

mark s, Saturday, 8 April 2023 15:44 (one year ago) link

pic.twitter.com/LcP8PaAAdV

— 𐑕𐑦𐑷 𐑜𐑧𐑴𐑻𐑞𐑒 𐑵𐑕𐑕᠅𐑓𐑹𐑦𐑤𐑞 𐑧𐑴𐑫𐑞𐑾🝮 (@ImpressedYou) April 8, 2023

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 8 April 2023 15:45 (one year ago) link

That, BTW, in reply to this:

Substack’s CEO says Musk’s claims are false pic.twitter.com/BHfZuabmu4

— Ken Klippenstein (@kenklippenstein) April 8, 2023

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 8 April 2023 15:45 (one year ago) link

ha yeah stealing twitters database was using the api that they make publicly available

lag∞n, Saturday, 8 April 2023 15:48 (one year ago) link

you’re not supposed to use the api is what i’m hearing these days

mh, Saturday, 8 April 2023 15:48 (one year ago) link

i will never stop using the api (unless make me pay for it) f the haters

lag∞n, Saturday, 8 April 2023 15:53 (one year ago) link

also i will not update my c0de to the new system until the old one stops working which is hopefully never

lag∞n, Saturday, 8 April 2023 15:54 (one year ago) link

There is now a non-zero chance of Elon being beaten to death with his own shoes.

The question rather is who will do it cos the line is growing longer by the minute

Trout Fishing in America (Neanderthal), Saturday, 8 April 2023 16:05 (one year ago) link

he just comes off as a more pathetic individual every day and for every hater that gets bored and stops caring, he creates two more

mh, Saturday, 8 April 2023 17:04 (one year ago) link

you have nothing of importance to say, yet you want to attract more engagement? study the time-tested methods of trolls!

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 8 April 2023 17:19 (one year ago) link

Super interesting code breakdown for the dumpster fire that is Twitter:

Elon Musk released the Twitter feed algorithm on Git yesterday as open-source. I know how to read code and know Git, so I had a brief looksy.

First of all, holy hell, I can't believe he let this algorithm see the light of day. It reveals some INSANE biases which are the REAL "Twitter Files", if anyone besides engineers gets interested. My only thought as to why he publicized the code is that Twitter is a wreck and he fired most of his engineering team, the remainder of whom now can't keep up, so he's hoping that by open-sourcing the code, engineers like me will fix it for free. And indeed, you can make pull requests on his repository if you have a Git account (and I do.) I'm not about to help.

(For laymen, a pull request is when you pull the code to your local machine, alter it, and then make a request that your changes get integrated into the repository, which the owner of the repository must approve.) I use Git for version control. Meaning every change is documented and approved. Undoubtedly, Musk will task a remaining engineer with reviewing these Git pushes, and potentially approving them.

Remember when people started complaining that all they saw were tweets from Elon Musk, even though they didn't follow him? Or all they see are right-wing lunatics, even though they didn't choose to see that? There's a literal carve-out in the code to artificially boost Musk and right-wing lunatics. Narcissist much? The code also arbitrarily dumps you into "categories" like Democrat, Republican, Power User, etc. He's also artificially restricting tweets about The Ukraine and bolstering Russia. I wonder who's paying him! Not a mystery.

Every interaction with your tweets gets ranked. Every like is worth a lot. Replies and retweets are worth less. This is opposite of normal (I used to write algorithms for search engines), where a like is passive interaction, retweets and comments are active interaction, which should be weighted more heavily. Negative interactions are also weighted. If you've been blocked or reported, you're punished for that. Your tweets get seen less.

The most insane part of the algorithm (in my opinion) is that if you follow a lot more people than follow you, you get artificially suppressed as "unimportant." That means someone like you or me doesn't get seen. I follow around three times as many people as follow me, which means I effectively do not exist on Twitter. This means that bad actors and bots (who follow nobody, because they aren't human, get artificially amplified.)

Including a video or an image in your tweet artificially boosts you. Including a link to an external website (like a news site) hurts you. Misinformation gets downgraded for normal people. Blue checks boost you insanely. This effectively results in blue-checked people being able to spread misinformation with impunity. As you know, now anybody can pay Elon $8 for that sweet sweet blue checkmark, including bots and foreign actors.

Y'all. Twitter is a DISASTER. If you've used it since Musk took over, you at least suspected it. Musk is a foreign actor and at best, a narcissist. At worst, he's deliberately bolstering the right-wing looniverse (as evidenced by my personal observations, and now confirmed by inspection of his algorithm.)

All of this is not to say, drop Twitter, or to espouse an opinion of what you should do. I'm going to hang out and see what happens. I'm just telling you, as a person who writes these kinds of algorithms professionaly, what the code Elon Musk provided publicly, indicates.

— Emily Parker

Trout Fishing in America (Neanderthal), Saturday, 8 April 2023 22:04 (one year ago) link

The most insane part of the algorithm (in my opinion) is that if you follow a lot more people than follow you, you get artificially suppressed as "unimportant." That means someone like you or me doesn't get seen. I follow around three times as many people as follow me, which means I effectively do not exist on Twitter. This means that bad actors and bots (who follow nobody, because they aren't human, get artificially amplified.)

This is interesting to me because I have almost 4500 followers but I only follow 225 people, a practice I ported over from when I was running Roadrunner Records' account. Our strategy was to follow people who were "meaningful" (other labels, our artists, rock and metal websites, etc.) and have interactions with them, and everybody else was the audience. Which is kinda how I look at Twitter to this day; I tweet back and forth with a couple of dozen people, and anybody who's following me gets to be the "audience" for those conversations. And lately my tweets have been getting more likes than they were before, so I wonder if I'm getting a (small) push.

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 8 April 2023 22:09 (one year ago) link

nothing in the algo seems worthy of the tone of that post lol, also she could have put the actual multiples for the buffs like every other piece did

lag∞n, Saturday, 8 April 2023 22:41 (one year ago) link

lol restacks

lag∞n, Saturday, 8 April 2023 22:51 (one year ago) link

Every interaction with your tweets gets ranked. Every like is worth a lot. Replies and retweets are worth less. This is opposite of normal (I used to write algorithms for search engines), where a like is passive interaction, retweets and comments are active interaction, which should be weighted more heavily.

this makes sense to me. retweet means the people who follow you will see it when they see the retweet itself in their feed, it would be double-dipping to also boost a tweet for getting RT'd

The most insane part of the algorithm (in my opinion) is that if you follow a lot more people than follow you, you get artificially suppressed as "unimportant." That means someone like you or me doesn't get seen. I follow around three times as many people as follow me, which means I effectively do not exist on Twitter. This means that bad actors and bots (who follow nobody, because they aren't human, get artificially amplified.)

i was under the impression that bots follow millions of people all the time, exploiting the fact that you get notified when someone follows you to get free publicity. also lol @ publicizing her loser 3-to-1 ratio

flopson, Saturday, 8 April 2023 23:05 (one year ago) link

i looked into at a little bit and apparently the having a bad follower/following ratio is part of a larger formula called tweepcred that seemingly no one has bothered to really figure out prob cause its too hard, there is a page for other buffs that just says basically 1 like == 20x boost, tho now that i think about it im not sure what that really means, anyway thats only for people who use the algo timeline which is bad

lag∞n, Saturday, 8 April 2023 23:13 (one year ago) link

>>>I have almost 4500 followers but I only follow 225 people,

WELL WELL WELL LA DI DA

one weird twitter thing is accounts like this with half a million followers that get just no interactions

PETER HITCHENS: As Paris acts, why do we STILL have to live in fear of the e-scooter menace? https://t.co/V34hR6xEeo pic.twitter.com/zG27K8czi6

— Daily Mail US (@DailyMail) April 9, 2023

lag∞n, Sunday, 9 April 2023 01:27 (one year ago) link

I think that Emily person misread some of the flags that are made to calculate metrics as code to boost tweets but w/e because it’s all busted

mh, Sunday, 9 April 2023 14:26 (one year ago) link

Some bleedover into the Taibbi shenanigans here as well but I found this piece very useful on this facet of the whole mess

https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/04/08/when-techbros-circle-jerk-becomes-a-circular-firing-squad/

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 9 April 2023 18:22 (one year ago) link

yikes

It looks like Twitter is *globally* withholding a tweet in response to a legal demand in India. This is a disaster for free speech online. Indian law dictating social media speech rules globally—a worst case scenario for free speech and content moderation. https://t.co/J5azU3gPFC pic.twitter.com/SstrIveehb

— Sarah McLaughlin (@sarahemclaugh) April 10, 2023

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 10 April 2023 20:40 (one year ago) link

Capitalism-based social media by its very nature is going to accede to authoritarian demands for censorship whenever non-compliance sufficiently threatens profits. Their main concern is doing it quietly enough or apologetically enough that it doesn't provoke a backlash that also threatens profits.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 10 April 2023 21:01 (one year ago) link

finally, a threat to Twitter's profits

least said, sergio mendes (sic), Monday, 10 April 2023 22:35 (one year ago) link

trying (and failing) to understand this https://nitter.net/

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 06:47 (one year ago) link

isn’t that site for browsing someone’s feed without being logged in?

, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 12:36 (one year ago) link

it's just a really lightweight frontend that'll probably get blocked if it gets enough traffic to be noticed, not a whole lot to understand

mh, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 13:39 (one year ago) link

ah okay

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 14:27 (one year ago) link

some have already lost them i noticed

All legacy verified accounts will lose their blue tick on 4/20, Elon Musk reveals.

This includes blue ticks belonging to celebrities and other notable figures. pic.twitter.com/NMh2e7fxE0

— Pop Crave (@PopCrave) April 11, 2023

lag∞n, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 22:22 (one year ago) link

🙄

limb tins & cum (gyac), Tuesday, 11 April 2023 22:23 (one year ago) link

"elon musk reveals" a lot of things. very few of them are true or happen as scheduled.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 11 April 2023 22:23 (one year ago) link

On 4/20? At 6:09, perhaps?

peace, man, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 22:25 (one year ago) link

hehe nice

lag∞n, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 22:25 (one year ago) link

Every day is April 1st for this creep.

"The pudding incident?" (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 11 April 2023 22:31 (one year ago) link

Lucy pulling away the football, but she is holding no football, yet for some reason we are still kicking the air and falling over every time

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 22:32 (one year ago) link

Doja Cat reacts to temporarily losing her blue verified badge after changing her display name on Twitter:

“Having a blue tick now means theres a higher chance that you're a complete loser and that you're desperate for validation from famous people.” pic.twitter.com/oGSlYUynfb

— Pop Crave (@PopCrave) April 11, 2023

amazing how thoroughly he fucked this up

frogbs, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 22:34 (one year ago) link

xxxxp or 7:10

Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Tuesday, 11 April 2023 23:12 (one year ago) link

lmao how is this scathing critique coming from DOJA CAT of all people

castanuts (DJP), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 00:16 (one year ago) link

check it out it’s 8 bucks for a blue check? That’s 8 bucks a month I don’t wanna pay I’ll just deal with not having one, it’s cooler

— John Brannon (@RealJohnBrannon) April 12, 2023

underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 00:26 (one year ago) link

<3 JB

Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 00:27 (one year ago) link

It feels like Elon's running his own variation on the Sneetches, except he forgot the part where he's supposed to make money.

well this is interesting news to wake up to

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65247272

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 06:36 (one year ago) link

“He confessed today that the only reason he went through with buying Twitter was because he believed a judge would force him to go through with the transaction.

"He's never admitted that till now, so it was a very whimsical interview... but he gave us some insight into the strange life of this billionaire."

He also suggested the interview showed he was not always consistent in what he says.

Daisley added: "He seems to be a very enigmatic figure."


o rly

least said, sergio mendes (sic), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 07:21 (one year ago) link

All legacy verified accounts will lose their blue tick on 4/20, Elon Musk reveals.

every time he does something like this or the doge logo thing, it makes me think of this dril tweet

the jduge orders me to take off my anonymous v mask & im wearing the joker makeup underneath it. everyone in the courtroom groans at my shit

— wint (@dril) March 10, 2015

(comparing things to dril tweets is itself probably now in the 420/joker makeup/doge zone but whatever)

soref, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 08:01 (one year ago) link

trying (and failing) to understand this https://nitter.net/

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 06:47 (yesterday) link

isn’t that site for browsing someone’s feed without being logged in?

― 龜, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 12:36 (yesterday) link

it's just a really lightweight frontend that'll probably get blocked if it gets enough traffic to be noticed, not a whole lot to understand

― mh, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 13:39 (yesterday) link

I used this for about a year pre-Musk to read twitter as they started insisting on being logged in to read, and I aint never doing that. That stopped soon after Musk took over, so lol I guess this motherfucker has improved the usability of the site for me at least

Toploader on the road, unite and take over (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 08:41 (one year ago) link

one would think they wont be the last, twitter isnt really good for driving traffic so whats the point of putting up with its bullshit

NPR announces that its 52 accounts “will no longer be active on Twitter,” citing the social media platform's decision to label NPR "state-affiliated media” https://t.co/i19ONf1tlL

— philip lewis (@Phil_Lewis_) April 12, 2023

lag∞n, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 14:10 (one year ago) link

Taibbi: I'm leaving Twitter because of Elon's decisions

NPR: We're leaving Twitter because of Elon's decisions

Elon: My screen name is Harry Bōlz and my building says Titter on it, also the nonpaying blue checks go away on 4/20 now, haha

— Adam Weinstein (@AdamWeinstein) April 12, 2023

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 14:30 (one year ago) link

I really want to know what was going to be so embarrasing in that trial for Elon that he bought Twitter.

"The pudding incident?" (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 15:12 (one year ago) link

his entire life

Will.I.Am's fetid urine (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 15:13 (one year ago) link


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