Twitter C/D

i dont want to prolong the conversation but it seems obvious to me that people are just making fun of the provocatively odd tweet

she did it on purpose looking for trouble if she had just been normal no one wouldve been like haha your mom died

its real sicko shit

you are correct but that's no excuse for anyone here, on this board, to shit on people who, based on personal experience, find said joeks distasteful

xp I mean, most of us feel bad if we clown someone for losing their mom, even if they are an objectively awful person. Most of us aren't Bethany S. Mandel, or Glenn Danzig.

It's all fun & games until Altima has to decide whether or not to pull the plug on Bethany.

glenn danzig real

Might as well have named her child Quotidian.

clowning her for killing her mom is totally fair game

iirc the major objection to her is her inability to imagine the humanity of those she sees as 'other'. crut seems to be the only person besides me who understands that dehumanizing humans is never a good look no matter who is doing it. she didn't kill her mom. her mom was going to die no matter what she decided.

based on her description, at age 16 she was required to decide whether or not it was worth prolonging her mother's life via massive medical interventions that would only allow her mother a bare chance to not die immediately. her mom was dying rapidly anyway. this only was a stepping aside from useless interventions. she is so ignorant that she called it euthanasia, when it was nothing of the sort. the fact that you insist on calling this 'killing her mom' is just a measure of your own ignorance of this kind of situation.

there are people on this board who have specific experience with shutting off a ventilator to a loved one. show some fucking respect

otmfm

"My lovely children Altima, Tercel, Ranger, Corolla & Toyotathon"

Miata wants to change her name to MX-5.

crut seems to be the only person besides me who understands that dehumanizing humans is never a good look no matter who is doing it.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, March 18, 2023 10:53 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i worry you may pull a muscle patting yourself on the back

fuck off

did spending hours scolding people not get you what you were looking for

Nazis and people who punch Nazis are really the same if u think about it.

aimless otm

Let's not argue about who killed who.

not sure why so many of you are digging in on *this precise* reason to hate bethany s. mandel -- it's a cornucopia -- but fucking lay off people who have experience you lack

Guys let’s stop fighting and go out and kill tonight

some people are showing more generosity of interpretation to bethany fuckin mandel than they are to the posters itt

but also there are people on this board who have specific experience with shutting off a ventilator to a loved one. show some fucking respect

I did this for my father-in-law. Does that entitle me to say that "Glenn Danzig" is right, Bethany Mandel is a piece of shit who should live in misery, and Aimless is (once again) acting like a concern troll? 'Cause that's about where I'm falling on this issue at the moment.

if she had just been normal no one wouldve been like haha your mom died

darvo stikes again

When you say “billionaires get the guillotine” you’re ignoring that Hitler used the guillotine to kill dissidents.

Aimless is (once again) acting like a concern troll?

I recently did this for my daughter. you can fuck off, too.

people were just goofin on a tweet and it quickly turned into bizarre accusations of dehumanization

"bizarre"

I recently did this for my daughter.

Legitimately sorry for your loss. I hope your pain eases soon.

here's the thing - said person took that personal experience, inserted it into a very very VERY different scenario and used it as a valid reason to tell other people what to say or not say. there are other choices that person had, including asking folks to be sensitive on the subject, or just bowing out of the conversation altogether. we all have personal difficulties / awful experiences we've gone through, but i try not to generalize mine in a way that polices what other people are saying based on 'have you no decency sir' bs.

also, i'm sorry - joking about death is not dehumanizing

this woman says awful things that dehumanize others, therefore we must say awful things that dehumanize her is so fucking normal it is hard to stop and realize that this norm is fucking awful

No one has dehumanized her, they’ve treated her as what she is - a uniquely horrible person. We have evidence of this, her entire public life and political project.

She is using this story to humanize herself because everything else she posts is so utterly ghoulish and awful. It's an utterly cynical move and really doesn't deserve sympathy. And by saying that I am not implying that everyone who experiences loss is undeserving of sympathy.

aimless im really sorry for your loss and sorry if this thread my posts or whatever caused you additional suffering im sure everyone here knows what its like to lose someone close to them

they’ve treated her as what she is - a uniquely horrible person

final comments then I will stop. one aspect of wisdom is knowing when a uniquely horrible person is still a person and recognizing that what is horrible about them does not disqualify them from being recognized as human. being recognized as and treated like a human is a human right.

joking about death is not dehumanizing

this is a more than charitable characterization of many of the comments directed at this (horrible) human being. not death as a subject, but her.

now you all can continue to be amazed at my reaction to all this joking and goofing and telling me why I am wrong to object to slagging off on her for what she did. I promise not to respond. Really.

Aimless, I'm very sorry for your loss and pain, and sincerely suggest that stepping out of this thread for a few weeks might be a productive act of self-care.

Here’s what it is: I shouldn’t be forced to recognize the humanity and trauma of someone who would like me and many people like me to be dead, and who spreads vitriolic abuse invoking real violence against us all over the place, and in fact seems to get off on being a cruel person.

I don’t envy anyone the position of having to decide to take a loved one off life support, and Aimless, I am sorry for your loss.

But when someone displays their trauma for the world to see and then continues to inflict trauma of another sort on an entire population, then all bets are off. The cruelty is on the table, and it is not the job of trans or queer people to act like Jesus turning the other cheek when the validity of our very existence is being called into question.

She does a good job of dehumanizing herself

Not nuking these fucking animals is the only restraint I expect and that's only because the cloud would hurt Israelis.

— Bethany S. Mandel (@bethanyshondark) June 30, 2014

i agree with moodles and table on the subject of bethany mandel.

on reflection, i realize i was unnecessarily dickish to crut itt - i'm sorry for that.

LMAO pic.twitter.com/hLJSpDLL7L

— High Ter Kite (@H1ghTerK1te) March 19, 2023

no worries map, no offense taken. i accept that many ilxors feel differently than i do about this and that they have their reasons for it

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"Most slur usage is not hate speech"

non-toxic slur treats

So what does the loss of two-step authentication mean for most (super casual) users? I'm not sure, but I suppose the first sign of anything hinky is a signal for me to delete. Or at least change my password.

you can still use 2fa fwiw just not via sms which is a bad method anyway

I never used it, 2fa is a pain in the ass (I know it's more secure but it's also a pain in the ass so I avoid it when possible).

I created a new, 'professional' account (which uses the same handle I used to use before I started liberally telling people to go fuck themselves on twitter) and I see hardly any ads on it when I use the app on my phone. It is very strange. But my god does TWitter want to shove terrible people in my 'for you' now.

I use two-step stuff for anything that has a linked credit card. otherwise, it's never seemed that important to me. but then, Twitter has never been important to me, or at least I don't use it for anything important.

Use 2FA everywhere you can bc one way or another anything that gets compromised will be a vector to getting all your other shit wrecked sorry if this offends

Yeah, 2FA or bust, preferably through an authenticator.

But I don't need this just to scroll twitter, do I? Otherwise I think I do use 2-step everywhere prompted.

lol

My reach (impressions/tweet views) went down hugely, immediately after my blue check appeared - from tens of thousands per tweet to single digit thousands. I’m not thrilled. https://t.co/V8WEqcSMFY

— Tweet (@tweet) March 23, 2023