One of the worst scenes for me so far was the first time they assembled the cast for a Corleone dinner, and you're supposed to believe that everyone started improvising in character, except the guy who plays Carlos, who apparently wasn't in on it and became a pin-cushion for everyone else. "Kiss the ring! Kiss the ring!"--ugh.
― clemenza, Saturday, 25 February 2023 05:23 (one year ago) link
yeah that was p bad
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 25 February 2023 07:19 (one year ago) link
Did Coppola ever comment on The Offer? I tried googling "coppola interview the offer" and got nothing. If you can point me in the direction of something, please do. Eight episodes in and I'm really starting to wonder how much of this is true and how much is Ruddy's self-serving revisionism. The whole thing with Carlo Rizzi slugging Talia Shire for real on set, and then Ruddy arranging to have Caan actually pummel Rizzi in the famous street beating--really? The series pays regular lip-service to Coppola, and some to Puzo and the actors, but basically the success of the film--its very existence--comes down to Ruddy swooping in to solve one crisis after another without hardly ever breaking his sagacious calm.
― clemenza, Sunday, 26 February 2023 16:11 (one year ago) link
A couple of things that suggest it's mostly fiction:
https://datebook.sfchronicle.com/movies-tv/wondering-how-accurate-the-offer-is-about-the-making-of-the-godfather-dont-ask-its-writer
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2022-04-27/the-offer-paramount-the-godfather-fact-fiction
― clemenza, Sunday, 26 February 2023 16:26 (one year ago) link
my folks watched it, I had zero interest. will read the Wikipedia article on the making of the movie
― waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Sunday, 26 February 2023 16:29 (one year ago) link
If you're interested in a full-length book, I recommend Harlan Lebo's The Godfather Legacy--which I'm almost curious enough to re-read now (but won't, because I was already Godfathered-out even before I started The Offer).
― clemenza, Sunday, 26 February 2023 16:43 (one year ago) link
yeah iirc from the credits the series is based on ruddy’s “remembrances” or “recollections” or whatever so it’s more like a fever dream of what happened than any kind of watertight factual dramatization just let it wash over you like waves of bullshit dotted with randomactual events ie there WAS a movie called godfather & it WAS directed by coppola but everything else is up for grabs as far as ruddy seems ti be concerned
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 26 February 2023 20:05 (one year ago) link
Don't think I've ever seen a credit quite like it:
"Based on Albert S. Ruddy's experience of making The Godfather."
Yeah, that'll hold up in court (actually, its very vagueness probably offers legal protection--"Well, that's how Albert S. Ruddy remembers it").
― clemenza, Sunday, 26 February 2023 21:58 (one year ago) link
In legal circles, known as the "Uncle Leo defense": "He's a 90-year-old man--he gets confused!"
― clemenza, Sunday, 26 February 2023 22:33 (one year ago) link
pretty much
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 26 February 2023 23:34 (one year ago) link
When Bettye talks to Ruddy about wanting to break off and start her own agency, the words she uses could have come from Sue Mengers. But, going by the postscript, that's her story too.
I thought there was some subtlety in the way they brought Lapidus around. How credible you find his reconciliation with Evans will vary, but I like the low-key way they presented it: Lapidus looks up at all the clippings on Evans' wall and finally sees the rapport Evans has with creative people (you can even see him start to come around at the tail end of that meeting with Alvin Sargent that he crashes). And I liked how they balanced that with Evans coming around to Lapidus's keen sense of the traps to be aware of in how they opened The Godfather. They rescued each of them from caricature.
So: with the many problems noted above by everyone who's posted, worth the 10 hours I'd say. And I'm sure they got the basic reality correct: it was a project riddled with complications.
― clemenza, Monday, 27 February 2023 16:32 (one year ago) link
Now, someone give me the 10-episode prestige TV making of Cabaret please
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Monday, 27 February 2023 16:38 (one year ago) link
I'd watch the Cabaret show
― H in Addis, Monday, 27 February 2023 16:41 (one year ago) link
hell yes
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 27 February 2023 16:45 (one year ago) link
And the entire last episode better be about all 8 of those Oscars
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Monday, 27 February 2023 16:47 (one year ago) link
there's plenty of Cabaret content in Fosse/Verdon
― Number None, Monday, 27 February 2023 16:52 (one year ago) link
I want a series on the making of Nashville, with a whole episode devoted to Kael's preemptive review.
― clemenza, Monday, 27 February 2023 16:52 (one year ago) link
Yeah, I assume Cabaret was already covered by that.
― clemenza, Monday, 27 February 2023 16:53 (one year ago) link
oh watched fosse/verdon but would be happy for more Cabaret
― H in Addis, Monday, 27 February 2023 16:55 (one year ago) link
yeah, there was some Cabaret in the Halston series too, but I want it to be the sole focus
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Monday, 27 February 2023 16:59 (one year ago) link
i never finished the Halston show - Cabaret being in there might make me revisit
― H in Addis, Monday, 27 February 2023 17:10 (one year ago) link
weird bit of crossover content in The Irishman/The Offer (based on a cursory scan of storylines, haven't seen the latter)
― omar little, Monday, 27 February 2023 17:20 (one year ago) link
What was it? I must have missed that.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 28 February 2023 00:03 (one year ago) link
By the end, I think the best, most natural performance might have been Jake Cannavale as Caesar. When I saw the name I assumed he was Bobby's son (he is); also Sidney Lumet's grandson.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 28 February 2023 00:08 (one year ago) link
Joe Colombo's attempted assassination was shown during The Irishman, as was the hit on Joe Gallo by the titular Irishman. different contexts, obv. the former was this dreamlike & grisly slo-mo shooting.
― omar little, Tuesday, 28 February 2023 00:47 (one year ago) link
There's a clean-looking print of Crazy Joe (Peter Boyle) on YouTube; I've never seen it, will watch soon.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 28 February 2023 01:18 (one year ago) link
The Halson show was fine. I admired Ewan McGregor's commitment to it.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 February 2023 01:20 (one year ago) link
When I saw the name I assumed he was Bobby's son (he is)
didn't he also play Bobby's son in Nurse Jackie? I remember him being good in that
― his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Tuesday, 28 February 2023 09:08 (one year ago) link
pic.twitter.com/10uaMqe5h3— mouse (@punchedrunk) April 21, 2023
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Friday, 21 April 2023 18:05 (one year ago) link
(Open tweet for the full joke)
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Friday, 21 April 2023 18:06 (one year ago) link
why do I find it so funny when Tattaglia is seen meticulously grooming himself during the meeting of the 5 Families
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Sunday, 18 February 2024 18:38 (two months ago) link
Maybe that's what the Don meant when he said Tattaglia's a pimp
― JRN, Sunday, 18 February 2024 18:48 (two months ago) link
Lol I actually think it is
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Sunday, 18 February 2024 19:25 (two months ago) link
Watched this with mom tonight in honor of dad
It never gets old.
You're not a wartime consigliere, Tom
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 04:42 (two months ago) link
(masked and very very distanced of course)
It's gotten old. That was all decided last year.
― clemenza, Monday, 19 February 2024 05:15 (two months ago) link
CLEMENZA
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 05:23 (two months ago) link
Anyway watching this tonight was a blessing.
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 05:24 (two months ago) link
always a good call <3
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 February 2024 06:07 (two months ago) link
Part II at Regal cinemas in the US for $5 this week
― bae (sic), Monday, 19 February 2024 09:12 (two months ago) link
WAHT
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 15:01 (two months ago) link
Part II at Regal cinemas in the US for $5 this week.
― bae (sic), Monday, 19 February 2024 15:59 (two months ago) link
lol
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 15:59 (two months ago) link
my offer is this:
nothing.
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 17:26 (two months ago) link
I had the odd experience of watching II before I watched I. Anyway, I prefer the second, particularly the denouement. And the Fredo/Michael dynamic. Cazale is just devastating.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 19 February 2024 17:35 (two months ago) link
"I am not resigning," Johnson said defiantly at a news conference Tuesday, calling the threat "absurd" as Republicans are "trying to do their job." "We need steady leadership. We need steady hands on the wheel," he said. "Look, I regard myself as a wartime speaker."
If he were a wartime speaker, a Sicilian, they wouldn't be in this shape.
― clemenza, Thursday, 18 April 2024 16:44 (two weeks ago) link