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everybody here is equally kind

kid cruti (roxymuzak), Saturday, 1 August 2009 23:37 (fourteen years ago) link

I might hate it, but it would be cool to have the option, esp. on the occasional thread where 20 people want to know how many SBs they have. Currently, every time a mod refreshes the thread, the admin functions go away.

Beanbag the Gardener (WmC), Saturday, 1 August 2009 23:41 (fourteen years ago) link

oh actually iw as going to mention that on my cell browser (blackberry) the admin functions are ALWAYS there. not sure if that's fixable, obviously not a priority.

tehresa, Saturday, 1 August 2009 23:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Dunno Tehresa, My work blackberry is broken at the moment, but I'll have a look when I get it sorted or get a new one. It's probably just because they just don't work very well!

Keith, Saturday, 1 August 2009 23:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Alternatively, use the mobile interface and avoid the admin links altogether.

Keith, Saturday, 1 August 2009 23:44 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/BoardsXmlControllerServlet?stylesheet=mobile.xsl

Keith, Saturday, 1 August 2009 23:44 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, that stylesheet results in lolhueg text for some reason? not a big deal/priority, really.

tehresa, Saturday, 1 August 2009 23:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Is it still like that? I changed it to make it smaller, recently. If it's still too big, let me know and I'll change it.

Keith, Saturday, 1 August 2009 23:51 (fourteen years ago) link

One version or other back in the mists of time changed the shape and filled-ness of the bullets in new answers depending on whether there were new answers since you last read it. This is probably a minor CSS thing, but can we have it back?

Also can we have a mobile interface that is a little more blackberry friendly, I should check out the mobile interface again and tell you what that means.

Mornington Crescent (Ed), Saturday, 1 August 2009 23:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Could the search function be changed so that if you put in a start date and no end date it searches everything newer than that date? At the moment it ignores the start date if there's no end date, so you have to make up a date in the future. Not much of a problem, but still...

(Possibly similar for end date and no start date, but I don't do that very often)

Thanks, sorry.

a passing spacecadet, Saturday, 1 August 2009 23:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Ed, that was never in my version so it's programming work, but I'll see what I can do.

Spacecadet, yes I didn't know that was an issue; it should behave as you say.

Keith, Sunday, 2 August 2009 00:00 (fourteen years ago) link

whoa that was cool. i just clicked on that link keith posted and now everything is awesome

I love rainbow cookies (surm), Sunday, 2 August 2009 00:05 (fourteen years ago) link

One request I have would be to notify me when a poll has ended that I had voted in. I could just bookmark the thread, but I don't care to follow all the discussion, I just want to know when the results are in.

Jeff, Sunday, 2 August 2009 00:21 (fourteen years ago) link

oh, i have one. on the page where it says youve successfully logged out of ilx, can there be a link to the front page?

kid cruti (roxymuzak), Sunday, 2 August 2009 00:23 (fourteen years ago) link

seconded

this is really great keith, that we've gotten to the point where it's fun little fine-tuning stuff that we're thinking of

avuenjo, Sunday, 2 August 2009 00:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Only thing I'd like is a preview post option, not so much for checking typos but making sure links/pics/formatting shows up ok.

DJ Angoreinhardt (Billy Dods), Sunday, 2 August 2009 10:38 (fourteen years ago) link

So this thing about bookmarks highlighting where you've unread messages... If I do this, it won't be perfect, in that I don't store on the database where a user last read a thread to, I just store it in memory - the last 200 threads you read and of course this'll all disappear when I restart the server. However, this should be good enough for most purposes.

It's not that, that I think about, but that there are basically three states you can be in:

  • You've not read a thread at all (so technically, all of its messages are unread to you)
  • You've read a thread and it's not been updated since you read it
  • You've read a thread and it's had new messages since you read it
The last case is obvious; this should be highlighted in some way - different coloured bullet or something. But what's not clear is how you should treat the first state. Should you treat it like the second or the third case? The third is probably the 'scientific' answer (because it's got messages you haven't read), but it's possibly not as useful as treating it like the second (i.e. not highlighting threads you haven't yet read), but I'm not sure. Having three highlights would be too complex, I think.

Any thoughts?

Keith, Sunday, 2 August 2009 13:43 (fourteen years ago) link

well it seems more useful to think of the first two as something you're not interested in, so just the third would be highlighted. like most american posters wouldn't want a dis ting/soccer thread highlighted along with threads they've clicked on (and taken interest in) that have new answers. no offense to "football" but you know. another example would be the 500 cable news threads we have

blobfish russian (harbl), Sunday, 2 August 2009 14:01 (fourteen years ago) link

It probably moves into a slightly different area this, but there are threads I've not read at all because they're newly bumped or I've just missed them, and threads I've not read because I'm never going to (eg football).

I'd like the former to have a highlight and the latter not, but that'd mean effectively a killfile for threads, so you could distinguish.

stet, Sunday, 2 August 2009 14:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Xp haha fuk football and skips in general

stet, Sunday, 2 August 2009 14:01 (fourteen years ago) link

we're on dis ting kicking a ball into a skip from quite far away

blobfish russian (harbl), Sunday, 2 August 2009 14:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Yes, this is why I think it's tricky. Killfile isn't really a practical option, with 170,000 and growing threads out there.

Keith, Sunday, 2 August 2009 14:07 (fourteen years ago) link

OK so thinking about it, yes I think it should only highlight threads that you've actually read and that have since been updated.

Keith, Sunday, 2 August 2009 15:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Would it be possible to search by user AND text? Like if I'm searching for a post where Ned Raggett mentioned Radiohead, and I don't remember the date, it's virtually impossible to find by searching either "Ned Raggett" or "Radiohead" separately.

jaymc, Sunday, 2 August 2009 15:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Jay, you can kind of do this now, though it's certainly not obvious... If you use the text search, and enter something like:

radiohead AND displayName:"Ned Raggett"

It should work - remember to change to posts (if that's what you're looking for).

Keith, Sunday, 2 August 2009 15:43 (fourteen years ago) link

ignore lists

http://www.b3tards.com/u/c2d08cf4e23cfbd9a0c0/duck_hunt_dog.gif

― galumphing lummox (bug), Saturday, August 1, 2009 3:48 PM (Yesterday)

Bug, yes I was thinking that would be something I should do.

― Keith, Saturday, August 1, 2009 3:49 PM (Yesterday)

An idea from the missus: could this be made thread-specific? Like, ignore (User X) on this thread but not that thread?

Beanbag the Gardener (WmC), Sunday, 2 August 2009 16:23 (fourteen years ago) link

RSS feeds for a specific user's posts would be nice.

Jeff, Sunday, 2 August 2009 16:24 (fourteen years ago) link

and crepey

stet, Sunday, 2 August 2009 16:26 (fourteen years ago) link

Surm, 1,209

― Keith, Saturday, August 1, 2009 10:26 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

oh wow thank you for this btw

I love rainbow cookies (surm), Sunday, 2 August 2009 16:28 (fourteen years ago) link

how hard would it be to have tabbed new answers lists? sort of like metafilter I guess--where I can have one tab with site new answers, one tab with just ilm, one tab with my favorite sub-boards, all on a single page? would be nice if it updated live but I imagine that's a pain.

max, Sunday, 2 August 2009 17:12 (fourteen years ago) link

I haven't read this entire thread but I wish there was a suggest keep function that would operate exactly like suggest ban except in reverse

my biggest complaint with the suggest ban function is that it only gives voice to the people who say 'no', and it only allows you to vote *against* someone and no way to vote *for* them

鬼の手 (Edward III), Sunday, 2 August 2009 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link

dude

8080's and internet break (k3vin k.), Sunday, 2 August 2009 17:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Like if I'm searching for a post where Ned Raggett mentioned Radiohead

It's a vision.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 2 August 2009 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link

OK so if you're logged in, then for any threads you have read, if there are subsequent new messages on that thread, the bullet on the new answers page will indicate it - on most stylesheets as an empty bullet, but as different colours on some. Happy for suggestions except penguins as to how it should be indicated though - for now, let me know if it works OK.

Keith, Sunday, 2 August 2009 19:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Having the Statscock back would be nice.

Matt DC, Sunday, 2 August 2009 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link

update-sensitive bullet seems to be working for me right now! (on blueski-2 i think)

nb all of this is super awesome, Keith, thank you. <3

la belle dame sans serif (c sharp major), Sunday, 2 August 2009 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link

46 logged in users active in the past five minutes

Sweet! Thanks Keith! Is there an easy way to do this on the new answers page of each board?

Joerg Hi Dere (NickB), Sunday, 2 August 2009 19:36 (fourteen years ago) link

I miss RSS, I like to know I haven't missed anything when I haven't been around for a while.

AJD, Sunday, 2 August 2009 19:37 (fourteen years ago) link

The updated thing wasn't working on others because I forgot to update the stylesheets, but have done so with style and old.

Nick - it's easy to do, it's just a question of finding a neat place to put it... Don't want it to get too cluttered.

Matt - see above.

Keith, Sunday, 2 August 2009 19:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Ah, thanks.

Also, not sure if this was covered, but the ability for mods to de-index threads with a simple tickbox would be really appreciated.

Matt DC, Sunday, 2 August 2009 19:41 (fourteen years ago) link

I'll sort the rest of the stylesheets in a minute for the updated threads thing.

Keith, Sunday, 2 August 2009 19:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Don't want it to get too cluttered.

Totally agree!

Joerg Hi Dere (NickB), Sunday, 2 August 2009 19:42 (fourteen years ago) link

I had to reload the stylesheet for the bullets to work, but it does now.

Mornington Crescent (Ed), Sunday, 2 August 2009 19:43 (fourteen years ago) link

This is mighty confusing. I'm using Blueski-2.css and the bullets apparently (I never noticed before) are alternating squares: big/small/big/small/big/small.
At the moment, none are empty, but if they were, then empty would mean something, but big/small wouldn't mean anything?

Please to think up some other and immediately obvious way to show new messages on threads (if that's really necessary) (e.g. http://www2.dsre.net/images/blankpage_ico.gif)

StanM, Sunday, 2 August 2009 20:11 (fourteen years ago) link

I'll sort the rest of the stylesheets in a minute for the updated threads thing.

― Keith, Sunday, August 2, 2009 2:42 PM (28 minutes ago)

Very cool! I loaded old.css long enough to see how it worked, looking forward to seeing it on style3.

Beanbag the Gardener (WmC), Sunday, 2 August 2009 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link

ok, so on this stylesheet, it's a black square (big or small) bullet for new messages and a grey (big or small) for no new messages/unread/other.

StanM, Sunday, 2 August 2009 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link

What browser are you using? They shouldn't be big/small, it's just darker (on mine anyway).

They should be darker when a thread you've read has new answers on it...

Rock - it's done on them all now.

Keith, Sunday, 2 August 2009 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link

or maybe some kind of "new message on thread since you last visited it" tooltip when hovering over that bullet kinda thing? Not everyone is going to read this thread or immediately guess/see the bullets suddenly mean something.

FFX 3.5.1

StanM, Sunday, 2 August 2009 20:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Hmm, was working on old.css and now it isn't.

Mornington Crescent (Ed), Sunday, 2 August 2009 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, if you can think of something good then yes, but I think some kind of "New Messages" thing would be too intrusive, though I understand it's not immediately obvious what they mean.

Weird, I'm using FFX 3.5.1 too, though on a Mac. Don't get the big/small thing. Perhaps it's the Windows version.

Keith, Sunday, 2 August 2009 20:16 (fourteen years ago) link


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