Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

LCARS is brilliant imo

Michael Okuda is still active on FB and regularly posts neat little design tidbits from over the years

I'm pretty sure the original STNG episodes had way cheesier effects too and got redone at some point?

I had this kind of apologist bullshit! Give me the original toasters

https://trekmovie.com/trek-remastered/tng-remastered/

I think that Mulgrew has been phoning in her lives on Prodigy but thankfully we got a body swap episode that was a lot of fun.

Jane ways

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The latest episode of Prodigy is actually really good! Dark for a kids' show but also paid off the season-long arc in a way that I was complaining about earlier here (kinda? spoilerly)!

I've seen a reevaluation of Enterprise in the last several years, if not critically then along fans. But as someone who found Voyager fatally corny, should it still be a skip for me?

I've been watching enterprise recently (Pick TV) they are just about to finish season 4 (of 4). it's not holding my attention tbh even if the season 3 story-arch was an attempt at something new.

the sexing up of the female crew members is a bit blatant.

leeee you seem pretty into trek so i think it’d probably be worthwhile. and seasons 3-4 are pretty solid.

that said there are some v. dire episodes and koogs otm about the sexing up. as ever, the best characters are the non-humans

Yeah I could never get past how they treated the vulcan in Enterprise, all the gratuitous shower scenes and whatever in the few eps I saw. I also for some reason cannot accept Bakula as a Trek universe actor, I dont know why.

i don't think bakula was ideal, but also they made him really whiny about 'why won't the vulcans give us all their tech right now!'

that conflict was kinda interesting, but no one wants a whiny captain (and also the vulcans were right)

anyway if you like, this dude (who writes trek-associated fiction and has also held forth on all the other tv series) is in the midst of a rewatch; he's just finished the second season. obviously there are mad spoilers, but it might give you a sense of what is worthwhile

https://www.tor.com/series/star-trek-enterprise-rewatch

The combination of the casting of Bakula and Blalock (sexy Vulcan lady) were in fact two of the reasons I passed on the show when they announced it; a third reason was because of Trek saturation at the time, which maybe doesn't bode well for the billion series going on right now, or just shows how much I and/or the current TV landscape have changed in the last 25 years.

fwiw blalock was honestly great as a vulcan. none of the failings of the series have anything to do with her

agree with mookie, she did a good job doing the vulcan acting. it just wasn't well-serviced by a lot of the scripts/direction and the flat affect kind of comes off as dumb, given the material

Quantum Leap vs. Warp Speed.

At least they addressed the issue of body functions. I was always sad that we never saw a crew member have to pee or shit and what kind of high Teck toilets

do you think it's like harry potter and the transporter just beams the waste products out of them

Maybe that's why they have a whole person dedicated to being a transporter chief.

As a prank they probably beamed waste to nearby other starship's bridges. "A littel gift"

Did the Orville do a joke about that?

I know Firefly addressed the toilet issue, they just had hidden foldaway loos and used them fairly casually.

Isn't there a transporter mess up in the first Star Trek film that winds up with a crew member reappearing severely mangled. & is the transfer to the evil universe tied in with transporter misfiring?
hink I'd be thinking twice about having specific parts of me removed in a transporter process. In case they weren't as accurate as hoped and organs etc get removed along with their contents

Or would at least be wary of being a guinea pig in the refinement process if they did eventually get it right.

wait until you hear about tuvix

There was that time an extra Riker was created.

They should have beamed people into the holodeck, but made it seem like it was the transporter room, and then have the transporter controls operated by look-alikes of the people who have been beamed - and then they are like "WTF WE ACCIDENTALLY DUPLICATED OURSELVES"

I checked out the first season of Enterprise from the library, and watched the first episode (I forgot that they're double episodes). There's a real nascent MRA vibe simmering through it that left a pretty bad mouthfeel, like some kind of return of the repressed of humanity's worse impulses that also feels like resentment for having to adhere to '90s Trek values.

never ever say mouthfeel. especially when what you're talking about has nothing whatsoever to do with eating, or mouths

but tbh if you feel icky about that one then you should probably stop

it’s been a long road, gettin from there to here

Interesting thread revive timing, the algo just popped this up for my suggested viewing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VEZH8bqytA

last ever Enterprise today and they made it an TNG crossover which i guess shows how much faith they had in it

faith of the heart iirc

the last Enterprise episode is... something

I want to see FLintstone STar Trek like their ship is stone and pterodactyls work the transporter

that Star Trek fan episode is unnerving to watch - it's serious, I guess, but the acting and the way the audio is mixed makes me think they're going to break into MST3K parody at any second

Episode 2: Almost competent, with a familiar Trek formula except instead of the technobabble deus ex machina, it's just a babble deus ex machina, which was incredibly anticlimactic (watching Hoshi grunt at the viewscreen and then things just work out was boring).

Mouthfeel: undifferentiated and bland.

onleee you could get away with such things

COunsellor Trois hair was stupid in the first season like a flower pot on head

agree

she was always styled like one step away from “magician’s assistant”

Lol

The future Trek envisioned: classic

The future as executed by Trek: mixed

Troi’s version of the Riker beard effect is, she gets better when she can’t be bothered to do the accent anymore.

Troi is great in the books. And even Lxwanna works in DS9. From the interviews, you get the sense Sirtis would have been much better off if she’d just played her as herself.

Or if she’d been trusted to do so.

Troi was a terribly-written character, she didn’t have a lot to work with

Basically any the female character on TNG wasn't well-served by the writing, maybe Pulaski excepted (though I haven't watched season 2 in ages).

Sirtis definitely got frustrated with how her character was treated. She described a lovely scene where she had a conversation with Scotty in "Relics" which got cut - I imagine that's not the only time something like that happened.

Eposode 3: I'm starting to cotton onto how Enterprise is Star Trek: This Is Why We Have Rules, but can they do it in a less insultingly stupid way?

short answer is no

Strange New Worlds is kind of the anti-Enterprise show in that it doesn’t take the characters for granted and Enterprise just has these cut-outs it repeatedly slams against the weak plots

The accuracy