But it's NOT a joke!! It's an honest-to-God straight-up murder ballad! Ween are honestly trying to emulate certain styles of music that they happen to enjoy! Hell, with a couple exceptions, I bet you will not laugh out loud ONCE during the entirety of Chocolate and Cheese and all the albums afterward. You want to laugh, go listen to "The Stallion Part 1" or "Nan" or "Common Bitch" or "Up on the Hill."
― Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 20 November 2004 14:04 (9 years ago) Permalink
competent? dean is a great, really expressive, blues-rock guitarist, and gene is a spectacularly elastic singer, and if they tried to hide it on their records it was always plainly evident from their live shows. i haven't paid close attention in several years, but i used to love 'em partly BECAUSE of those skills.
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 13 October 2005 20:14 (8 years ago) Permalink
I heard Push Th' Little Daisies and just thought it was wierd, heard Voodoo Lady and kinda liked it. For some reason I was always very suspicious of them, and I don't know why. I bought Quebec for some reason and it didn't move me very much. A year later I tried the Mollusk and it totally blew me away. I still think it's their best album. I gradually got a few more albums, and I discovered that the more albums I heard the more I liked them overall. It is very hard to get a sense of this band from only a couple of albums. A few days ago I went on a binge and bought everything I was missing, so I've been drowning in Ween. I haven't listened to anything else in about two weeks, which is something that has never happened with me. All day long at work on the ipod, all night long on the stereo. At some point, the wife is going to put a stop to this.
― Joseph Cowart (Joseph Cowart), Saturday, 12 November 2005 10:20 (8 years ago) Permalink
I dunno. I originally got involved with this band in a kind of collegiate-stoner scene and sense, thanks mostly to a friend who geeked out on them more than I can ever dream to. What keeps them from every being a "joke" band -- and what I think has been spelled out by the progression of their albums -- is that no matter what kind of song they're attempting, they tend to commit to it absolutely and entirely. Often they're joking, but it's incredibly rare that they're actually parodying a sound. This is possibly why Chocolate and Cheese works well for me: it was the first moment where the really leapt beyond the fun of their recording process, and the songs managed to come out fully functional without really changing much at all. "Freedom of 76," or "Joppa Road" -- the lyrics joke (a little), but is there really anything about these songs that doesn't function really well within the styles they're adopting? And from there to, umm ... "Ocean Man?" It's only really after The Mollusk that I feel like they've dedicated themselves more than I like to their "proper" songwriting, and in the process lost a little of the imagination and breadth of the stuff before.
I'd actually say the same of a lot of the lyrics, but that's a little more complicated -- something about how a "weird" song will read as funny, intentionally off, even when it can more interestingly be read as (theoretically) serious. E.g. as a light example, what makes "Freedom of 76" so far removed from a "real" tribute to Philadelphia? (And for a heavier one, isn't it kind of fun to imagine "Mister Would You Please Help My Pony" as an actual situation and problem? Kid's pony is in mortal peril!)
Anyway yeah: it helps to try not to read "weird" as "funny," because in a lot of cases, with these guys, it's actually just wonderfully imaginative, especially when it comes to the songs and the sonics -- which are rarely half-assed "joke" performances, and are often written for total earnest effect. I'm surprised more people don't cover these songs, to be honest: I know Phish have adopted "Roses are Free" as practically theirs, but there are loads and loads of great fascinating songs beyond that kinda begging for various interpretations.
The White Album reference from before is a really terrific one -- styles and novelties thrown on out of sheer imagination, and delivered in a way that's not "kidding" but fully-committed and just incidentally fun. And if you think everyday Ween fans are freaks, then whoah Jesus you should have seen the crowds that showed up for their country tour! I have some some weird-ass people in my life, but nothing tops the country contingent at their Chicago show for that one.
― nabiscothingy, Saturday, 12 November 2005 18:49 (8 years ago) Permalink
Axes: Bold as Boognish - 5.5God Ween Satan - 9Pod - 9.5Pure Guava - 7.5Chocolate & Cheese - 712 Golden Country Greats - 9Mollusk - 8White Pepper - 7Quebec - 5.5Shinola - 7
― LoneNut, Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:45 (8 years ago) Permalink
― mom, Thursday, 9 February 2006 23:54 (8 years ago) Permalink
flies on my...........DICK!!!
― mom, Thursday, 9 February 2006 23:56 (8 years ago) Permalink
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― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:15 (7 years ago) Permalink
I wish them the best of luck in everything they do.
― fuckfuckingfuckedfucker (fuckfuckingfuckedfucker), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:18 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Marmot 4-Tay: The root cause of dragon hatred among power metal bands. (marmotwo, Monday, 31 July 2006 18:27 (7 years ago) Permalink
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― Emily B (Emily B), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 03:18 (7 years ago) Permalink
ween are better now at singing and playing guitar but worse at making records. -- ¨?¨?¨?¨?¨?¨? (chaki.time...), June 20th, 2006 1:17 PM. (chaki)
― Supercalifragilisticexpiala Brosius (chaki), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 03:22 (7 years ago) Permalink
Let us all anticipate the new Ween FRIENDS EP (due 06/19) and untitled album (due sometime this fall)!
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 7 June 2007 22:00 (6 years ago) Permalink
"what deaner was talking about" is the shins but better
― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 7 June 2007 22:06 (6 years ago) Permalink
HOLY BALLS I AM SEEING THEM LIVE ON SUNDAY.
taste the waste!
― Emily Bjurnhjam, Thursday, 7 June 2007 22:54 (6 years ago) Permalink
My cat's name is Captain Fantasy.
― Davey D, Saturday, 9 June 2007 17:03 (6 years ago) Permalink
"Don't Laugh (I Love You)" is all the twee most people will ever want.
― Cunga, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 23:25 (4 years ago) Permalink
Jesus ChristPainTake oneYeah! Pain
Last time I saw you, I was holding your handAnd I couldn't wait for you to leaveI knew right then that it was over and doneAnd I couldn't believe that I was free
Help me now, I'm going downAnd I don't know if I'll be okI'll be around, I'll be in townIf you need a place to stay
When the wind blows and there's a chill in the airI hope that someone is taking care of youI'm alright, yeah, I'm really okJust so you know I'm always there for you
― Anton Levain (jdchurchill), Thursday, 25 February 2010 00:27 (4 years ago) Permalink
Just had a thought, could "Buckingham Green" be a reference to Lindsey + Peter? Or is it just a cool English-sounding name?
― R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Friday, 16 July 2010 11:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
I always thought that it was a reference to the Buckingham Green Shopping Center located a few miles down the road from New Hope, PA.
― bmus, Friday, 16 July 2010 17:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
Seeing these dudes tomorrow again! Hope they go light on the La Cucaracha album, the only dud in their catalog IMO...
― ColinO, Saturday, 17 July 2010 04:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
Where did the motherfucking cheese go at?
― lol @ dog w/ sunglasses (Pillbox), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 17:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
(i don't know)
― lol @ dog w/ sunglasses (Pillbox), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 22:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
Ween, the eternal:
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 29 January 2011 02:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
ween, the clusterfucking (from what I hear): http://www.straight.com/article-369810/vancouver/ween-completely-blows-it-bizarre-vancouver-show
― symsymsym, Saturday, 29 January 2011 03:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
Hope they go light on the La Cucaracha album, the only dud in their catalog IMO...
people keep putting down La Cucaracha, but the two tracks I have heard from it (Woman And Man and the divine Your Party) are both amazing.
Particularly Your Party, which is plainly the best song ever recorded by anyone.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, 30 September 2011 11:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
are there really standouts from that album? maybe i'll give it another shot.
― billstevejim, Saturday, 1 October 2011 00:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
dirty vicar otm. "woman and man" is ween's "sympathy for the devil." the sax on "your party" kills. "spirit walker" could have been on 'white pepper.' "friends" is one of their best songs. all in all have to say this album is better than 'quebec'
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 1 October 2011 00:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
single version of Friends >>>>>>>> album version of Friends
― robocop last year was a 'shop (sic), Saturday, 1 October 2011 02:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
I think quebec is maybe their best, so I cant agree with that, but La C isn't as terrible as you've probably heardI dig "Blue Balloon" quite a bit, it's a really dumb song but I like it
― frogbs, Saturday, 1 October 2011 02:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
by the way it's 2012 now and they still haven't released a follow up, now I'm getting sad (especially considering how prolific these guys used to be)
― frogbs, Thursday, 5 January 2012 19:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
solo Gene Ween coming soon...
― billstevejim, Friday, 13 April 2012 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
If I'm reading this correctly, it's produced by the same guy who did 12 Golden Country Greats...
― billstevejim, Friday, 13 April 2012 17:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
this is actually pretty good. completely dissimilar to Ween outside of maybe a few tracks on White Pepper. just kind of a lush, upbeat pop album, kinda of intentionally campy, but really catchy and fun
― frogbs, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 18:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
a lush, upbeat pop album, kinda of intentionally campy...
It's an album of Rod McKuen covers. So there you go.
― Hideous Lump, Thursday, 10 May 2012 02:43 (1 year ago) Permalink