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Have you ever heard of soul music, Geir? (Obviously not, because Genesis is one of the most soulless bands ever). That genre certainly wasn't just "singles oriented," as the albums on Atlantic/Stax/Volt and other labels are solid: Otis, Aretha, James Carr, Howard Tate, William Bell, Joe Tex, Sam Cooke, etc.
I'm assuming you prefer the Righteous Brothers.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Soul music isn't melodic enough. Too repetitive and too few chords.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Besides, an album isn't consistent if the songs aren't all written by the artist himself or some permanent band member.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Besides, an album isn't consistent if the songs aren't all written by the artist himself or some permanent band member."

You mean like Please Please Me?

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Please Please Me" isn't a consistent album, no. But the idea of a consistent "rock" album wasn't _invented_ in 1963 anyway.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

We could turn this into an singles versus albums debate.

My theory:
Albums are needed because it is the only way to promote cult of personality. People buy records because they identify with the artists.

Singles: singles are better at capturing the mood of the moment. This is why I mainly buy compilations.

Albums I do like are by individuals rather than groups. I guess this has to do with my natural aversion towards groups.

In an MP3 world, the loser will be the album. Singles will thrive (just like ringtones).

Geir,
What was the first consistent rock album?

Jan Geerinck (jahsonic), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

In an MP3 world, the loser will be compilations. Albums will still sell, while singles oriented artists will not mean much to the recording labels finacially, and thus will die.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Soul music isn't melodic enough. Too repetitive and too few chords."

You mean like these:
"Everybody Loves a Winner"
"You Don't Miss Your Water"
"Do Right Woman - Do Right Man"
"The Dark End of the Street"
"A Change is Gonna Come"
"These Arms of Mine"
"I've Been Loving You Too Long"
"Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa (Sad Song)"
"The Happy Song"
"I've Got Dreams to Remember"
"Share Your Love With Me"
"When a Man Loves a Woman"

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

here all my second favourite albums from each year then:

I'll spare those for my Top 20s of each year coming up later on. :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

you're all rockist scum

stevem (blueski), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

There are several of those songs you listed that I've heard, Jazzbo, and I don't see them as particularly melodic. Usually ostinato based, sort of meant for the singer to improvise. I don't like that sort of songwriting. I prefer songs to be strictly precomposed, with a lot of chord and key changes throughout. And with a clear distinction between contrasting verses and choruses.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bacause the more structured and predetermined it is the less you have to engage, think, and be surprised and delighted by the unexpected.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

There is nothing quite like an unexpected key change anyway.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

"There are several of those songs you listed that I've heard, Jazzbo, and I don't see them as particularly melodic."

Wow, OK. To each his own. I'll just leave you with this: There's a big wide world of music out there, and I think it's sad that you're able to appreciate only this much of it (holds thumb and forefinger a millimeter apart).

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

Compilations will not loose because they will feature liner notes, pictures, background info ... all of this stuff that don't come with an MP3 download.


and Geir: first rock album (consistent)? Which was it?

Jan Geerinck (jahsonic), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Purposely or accidentally?

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

I prefer songs to be strictly precomposed, with a lot of chord and key changes throughout.

So why not jazz?

Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Either ....

Jan Geerinck (jahsonic), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

The first ever consistent rock album was "A Hard Day's Night", which was the first one to containt exclusively brilliant self-composisions by band members.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

So why not jazz?

Some jazz (particularly the slower songs on several classic jazz albums) is OK, but generally, there is too much inprovisation in jazz.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

You couldn't make it up, could you?

Richard Litteljhon for legal reasons, Monday, 3 March 2003 14:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

I know.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Geir is from Norway apparently:does he even like black metal?
(Hellhammer might be too rhythmic a drummer I suppose)

Scott Seward, Monday, 3 March 2003 15:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

black metal is probably not melodic enough for Geir.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

Scott: All black metal fans in Norway are now in jail for the burning of their local stave church. You won't find them writing here. :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

does he even like black metal?

He should - the stuff is as free from "black music" as it gets, and the Emperor/Dark Tranquillity school certainly crams more twin guitar melodic riffing, key and tempo changes into the songs than any 'conventional' rock band I can think of. But as the above list suggests, Geir likes his music aesthetically conventional, right?

Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Beatles found the perfect formula and future musicans should stick to that one. No need for "innovation".


hahahahaha! You really believe there's a 'perfect' formula out there?
What if someone such as yourself said this in 1960, everyone followed it, and your 'perfect' Beatles were stuck doing Irving Berlin covers?
Now, I understand that you probaly mean this formula is perfect in your eyes, but how are you so sure there's nothing that can be produced that you'd like better?

oops (Oops), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

In many ways he is the epitome of the ILM approach, or the ILM approach taken to absurd extremes, which is probably why he inspires such argument.

Quite right. I of course sympathize with him on the whole 'find your own aesthetic' point, and at the same time I'm rather glad it isn't mine...

As for GH...oh dear oh dear oh dear. Matos, Blount, I take it all back - let him have it.

It won't work. I understand, though. Somewhere in groups.google.com is the massive 1995 or so argument I had with him that tired me out after about a month or something.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

I find the comment about the Beatles particularly ironic, since I think innovation was part of their formula. Listening to them from album to album, I hear a constant inventiveness. (I admit there were some things that remained consistent as well.)

A Music Consumer, Monday, 3 March 2003 15:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

fwiw, my one comment re: FG was more of a cocked eyebrow in his direction, he's got the right to his opinions even if I think they're fairly narrow [understatement of the decade]. and I was funning w/MC, mostly

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 3 March 2003 16:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Jan G--yes, Ocean is the Toop book s/t. utterly changed the way I hear music, absolutely essential

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 3 March 2003 16:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

1966 Otis Redding, Complete and Unbelievable: The Otis Redding Dictionary of Soul
1967 The Who, The Who Sell Out
1968 Love, Forever Changes
1969 Gilberto Gil, Gilberto Gil
1970 Curtis Mayfield, Curtis
1971 Sly and the Family Stone, There’s a Riot Goin’ On
1972 Todd Rundgren, Something/Anything?
1973 Al Green, Call Me
1974 Ann Peebles, I Can’t Stand the Rain
1975 The Ohio Players, Honey
1976 Thin Lizzy, Jailbreak
1977 Parliament, Funkentelechy Vs. the Placebo Syndrome
1978 Talking Heads, More Songs About Buildings and Food
1979 The B-52’s, The B-52’s
1980 The Clash, Sandinista!
1981 Prince, Controversy
1982 ABC, The Lexicon of Love
1983 Prince, 1999
1984 Kurtis Blow, Ego Trip
1985 The Minutemen, Double Nickels on the Dime
1986 XTC, Skylarking
1987 LL Cool J, Bigger and Deffer
1988 EPMD, Strictly Business
1989 Janet Jackson, Rhythm Nation 1814
1990 Shonen Knife, Shonen Knife
1991 De La Soul, De La Soul Is Dead
1992 The Pharcyde, Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde
1993 Liz Phair, Exile in Guyville
1994 Common Sense, Resurrection
1995 Whale, We Care
1996 Henry Threadgill and Make a Move, Where’s Your Cup?
1997 Pizzicato Five, Happy End of the World
1998 Gomez, Bring It On
1999 Caetano Veloso, Livro
2000 Erykah Badu, Mama’s Gun
2001 Bersuit Vergabarat, Hijos del Culo
2002 Blackalicious, Blazing Arrow

Neudonym, Monday, 3 March 2003 16:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

and, why not, singles for each year from, why not, 1950:

1950 Hank Snow: "I'm Movin' On"
1951 The Larks: "My Reverie"
1952 The "5" Royales: "Laundromat Blues"
1953 The Crows: "Gee"
1954 Elvis Presley: "That's All Right (Mama)"/"Blue Moon of Kentucky"
1955 Chuck Berry: "Maybellene"
1956 James Brown: "Please Please Please"
1957 Jerry Lee Lewis: "Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On"
1958 Link Wray & His Ray Men: "Rumble"
1959 The Flamingos: "I Only Have Eyes for You"
1960 Jerry Butler: "He Will Break Your Heart"
1961 Ben E. King: "Stand By Me"
1962 Little Eva: "The Loco-Motion"
1963 The Beatles: "Please Please Me"
1964 Dionne Warwick: "Walk on By"
1965 Bob Dylan: "Like a Rolling Stone"
1966 ? & the Mysterians: "96 Tears"
1967 Smokey Robinson & the Miracles: "The Love I Saw in You Was Just a Mirage"
1968 Sly & the Family Stone: "Everyday People"
1969 The Rolling Stones: "Honky Tonk Women"/"You Can't Always Get What You Want"
1970 James Brown: "Get Up I Feel Like Being a Sex Machine Pt. 1 & 2"
1971 Temptations: “Just My Imagination (Running Away with Me)”
1972 Stevie Wonder: “Superstition”
1973 Marvin Gaye: “Let’s Get It On”
1974 Gloria Gaynor: “Never Can Say Goodbye”
1975 Jacob Miller: “Baby I Love You So”/Augustus Pablo: “King Tubby’s Meets Rockers Uptown”
1976 The Sex Pistols: “Anarchy in the U.K.”
1977 The Sex Pistols: “God Save the Queen”
1978 The Clash: “(White Man) in Hammersmith Palais”
1979 Chic: “Good Times”
1980 Joy Division: “Love Will Tear Us Apart”
1981 Funky 4 + 1: “That’s the Joint”
1982 New Order: “Temptation”
1983 George Clinton: “Atomic Dog”
1984 Prince: “When Doves Cry”/“17 Days”
1985 Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam with Full Force: “I Wonder If I Take You Home”
1986 Prince & the Revolution: “Kiss”
1987 Public Enemy: “Rebel without a Pause”
1988 Rob Base & DJ E-Z Rock: “It Takes Two”
1989 Rythim is Rythim: “Strings Of Life”
1990 Beltram: “Energy Flash”
1991 Nirvana: “Smells Like Teen Spirit”
1992 Acen: “Trip II the Moon”
1993 Bikini Kill: “New Radio”/“Rebel Girl”/“Demirep”
1994 M People: “Excited”
1995 Everything But the Girl: “Missing (Todd Terry Club Mix)”
1996 Blackstreet: “No Diggity”
1997 Sneaker Pimps: “Spin Spin Sugar (Armand’s Dark Garage Mix)”
1998 Fatboy Slim: “The Rockafeller Skank”
1999 Powerhouse featuring Duane Harden: “What You Need”
2000 OutKast: "B.O.B."
2001 Missy Elliott: "Get Ur Freak On"
2002 Nas: "Made You Look"
2003 (so far): Electric Six: "Danger! High Voltage," but don't hold me to it

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 3 March 2003 16:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Actually, Matos' list is correct about 1990, so replace Shonen Knife on mine and replace with Mama Said Knock You Out. This leaves LL and Prince as only artists to repeat on my list, which shocks the hell out of me.

But I've had second thoughts about a few of these--Stevie Wonder has to have his no-seeing ass on the list. Replace Rundgren with Music of My Mind by Stevie Wonder, then, but although Songs in the Key of Life is probably a better record than Jailbreak, keep Lizzy on for fun.

Matos and I agree on four records, then; Hongro on one; JBR and I agree on none; Murphy on none; Blount on none.

Neudonym, Monday, 3 March 2003 17:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

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http://tinyurl.com/6rr8

Yea, this guy is a compulsive troll. Notice in the second thread (which seems to be his grand entrance to USENET) how many newsgroups its crossposted to (seven) and how its essentially tailor made to incite anger in each. For instance, his claim that people are tiring of hip-hop back in 1996 and then the act of xposting it to alt.rap. Not to mention that in retrospect this looks hilarious.

He'd be ingenious if the methodology hadn't already been being used for many years by other far more successful internet whacks. So, if thee be smart, learn from the mistakes of others before you; don't feed the trolls.

-
Alan

Alan Conceicao, Monday, 3 March 2003 17:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

maybe he's genuine, though. i've read his home page and it's got a "history of melodic pop".

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Maybe he's just a long-term idiot.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

A history of melodic pop by Geir...
http://home.online.no/~knhongro/Geir/pop/History.htm

it only goes up to 97. [when is 98, 99, 00, 01, 02 going to be documented?]

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have stopped updating that page, and I doubt I will ever find the time to update it again

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

98 is the year Melody died.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, obviously, at the end, I would now have had Travis, Coldplay, Doves and Electric Soft Parade mentioned. And even some American acts like Cotton Mather and Flaming Lips.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

ha ha Nick, 98 was Embrace's debut ! what does Geir think of English melodic rock band, Embrace?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Not that much of a fan of Embrace. OK, but no more than that. Along with Stereophonics, Embrace is the most overrated of those traditional melodic rock bands. Their songs simply aren't good enough.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Re: I doubt I will ever find the time to update it again

Right, I see you must be too busy with ILM and other music forums, these days Geir?

Re: Embrace: Their songs simply aren't good enough.

[Correct.]

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

my god, its like a couple of robots talking

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Geir, I think everyone is fine with you having your opinion, but the way you make your statement is what is keeping others from respecting your views. You seem to think that your opinion is fact, your subjective tastes are objective reality. If you were to say "I don't like stuff that has no melody or places too much emphasis on rhythm" that would be fine, but you dismiss whole genres of music (as well as one-third of the holy trinity of music: melody, harmony, and rhythm) just because they don't suit your tastes or give you what YOU desire when YOU listen to music.
This outlook is very childish and I hope that you are under 18, because that is how you come across to us. Do you really think that all these millions of people who like rap/techno/all others who aren't Genesis are stupid? that we don't know good music? Do you realize how snobbish that makes you?

oops (Oops), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

guys, seriously, take up knitting, play super mario brothers, do anything else.

oh, i can't resist

geir what do you think of harmolodics?

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, whether I write it or not, there is obviously an IMO attached to everything I write anyway.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

geir, out of interest, does yr search for perfect melody stop short of underground and independent pop music? or is it restricted to major label/subsidiary groups? could you discern melody from say, skinned teen or the more poppy moments of throbbing gristle?

schnell schnell, Monday, 3 March 2003 17:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

As long as it sounds like the best melodic stuff from mainstream labels throughout rock history, then fine to me. If it sounds completely different from, say, The Beatles, then it leaves me cold.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:43 (twenty-one years ago) link


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