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I hate New York.

Sean Braudis (Sean Braudis), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 14:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Thirty and fortysomethings have always worn jeans and teeshirts and been into bands etc etc. The people who should be roundly mocked are the twentysomethings who haven't had the imagination to come up with their own fucking dress styles, music genres etc etc.

Max Boot, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I think I read until I hit this sentence: "This generation is now, if you happen to be under 25, more interested in being stuck in your youth."

Does that mean I can act indignant until I hit 25 this month, then try to act discreetly?

mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 14:55 (eighteen years ago) link

dudes will i still be NOIZE when i hit 30?

dar1a g (daria g), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Does anyone even read New York any longer? It's almost gone under because of low reader numbers and newsstand sales a few times, right? So shouldn't this awful journalism be disregarded?

trees (treesessplode), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link

David Edelstein writes for them now, IIRC.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Sharing your interests with your kids = classic.
Trying to turn them into little mini-hipsters to cover for your own insecurity about encroaching middle age = dud.
$800 fucking strollers = total dud.

mike a, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:17 (eighteen years ago) link

NY Mag got a LOT better since they got bought out and Moss became editor. There's always two or three things in every issue along these lines that make you want to corral every rich white person in Manhattan and burn them to death, but a lot of the rest of it is actually worth reading, at least in the bathroom.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link

what about the "trend" of kids under 25 wearing nirvana and jimi hendrix t-shirts? are they young fogeys? yogeys?

$800 fucking strollers = total dud.

yeah the bugaboo thing is pretty silly. but i will say that for city living, a good stroller is worth spending some cash on. we had to upgrade because the lightweight one we bought first was probably fine for mall-walking but lacked the all-terrain capacity necessary for navigating new york sidewalks. we don't have to have a car here, so i don't mind springing for a pricey pram.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link

how is this a new phenomenon again? I was in high school in the mid-to-late 90s and EVERYBODY listened to Zeppelin, Hendrix, Floyd, and the Doors. yeah, and we really broke new ground with Soundgarden and Smashing Pumpkins.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:23 (eighteen years ago) link

It pissed me off then too!

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link

"This is an obituary for the generation gap."

HUH? are these people bisexual, spend all their time on myspace trying to get laid and have no interest in politics WHATSOEVER? do they listen to panic at the disco? hawthorne heights?

I am going to assume the author himself is a grup? get over it dude, grow the fuck up and call your grandpa, for chrissake. and your music is music for wet blankets.

banana squad (dayvidday), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't front, I loved that shit too. Too bad I didn't have a "cool" dad to introduce me to the Silver Apples and Os Mutantes.
xpost.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:31 (eighteen years ago) link

it sounds like a train

the "r" (also the indef.article) 's optional, methinks really.

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:34 (eighteen years ago) link

God damn I miss that Nick Sylvester thread.

Confounded (Confounded), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link

tiresome new york mag article ridiculing people not quite as boring as they are = classic!!

except it's called Up with Grups and it winds up pretty much approving of them

ooops, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

What a disgusting article. That said, my three year old's favorite album recently has been Andy Votel's Welsh Rare Beat compilation (that's not cool people, it's sensitivity and potty training issues). We also have designated babysitters for concert nights who don't mind staying half the night. The best stroller I ever purchased was $15, suckers. Maybe I'm a psuedo-grup.

Thank god I don't have to raise my kids in New York.

Mai, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"Every male over the age of 30 should be forced to take up pipe-smoking, listen to Bing Crosby, and wear jackets with leather patches on the elbows."

i'm not completely adverse to this idea!
so long as the monocule (sp?) and a brandy snifter involved, and the setting of a den w/ a fire- i'm there!

tally ho, chaps!!!

eedd, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

well it's not like i actually read it or anything

xpost

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Does anyone even read New York any longer?

You know - at $1.50 a word, I don't really care! BWAHAHAHAHA

understandably logged-out regulat, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not reading that (plus I'm too non-spendy, old and curmudgeonly to be a grup) but it's nice to see the Nils mentioned ANYWHERE.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:13 (eighteen years ago) link

"BWAHAHAHAHA"

i'd know that evil laugh anywhere.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link

So going solely by the photos that accompanied the article, I gotta assume this is a 100 percent white phenomenon.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I need to scan and post that picture of me in my Jo Jo Gunne onesie.

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

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uh, no thanks

-- team jaxon (jaso...), April 4th, 2006 11:14 PM. (jaxon) (link)

OTM

Good thread, though. I'm 32 and fit some of the descriptions, but I don't have a kid.

josh in sf (stfu kthx), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Thank god I don't have to raise my kids in New York.

hey now, new york's a fine place to raise kids. nobody forces you to buy $200 jeans or deathcab cds. i think all the jeans i've bought in the last three years might add up to $200.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

So going solely by the photos that accompanied the article, I gotta assume this is a 100 percent white phenomenon.

OTM

regular roundups (Dave M), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

it is New York magazine.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Neal Pollack is repulsive.

My Psychic Friends Are Strangely Silent (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

These people are the reason I refuse to take part in any SXSW related events.

bubster, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

"This is an obituary for the generation gap."

wrong

typical myspace generation teenagers apparently:

part of emo culture
myspace profile with loads of dorky emo bands listed
no interest in politics
uses myspace to get laid
listens to panic at the disco and hawthorne heights
reads alternative press

vs

typical US indie rock robot 30something

reads magnet magazine and paste
reads pitchfork
uses friendster
reads stereogum daily
is a yupster: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yupster

indicative music tastes

Stereogum Readers Poll: Top 20 Albums Of 2005
http://www.stereogum.com/archives/002180.html

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I won't front either; I read Pitchfork, use MySpace/Friendster, wear thrift store Ts, etc. Ain't nothing wrong with that as long as you have your priorities straight. I think we need to separate "dads that still keep up with cool music" from "dads (and moms) who have to be obnoxious about it."

mike a, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

death cab for cutie is not cool music

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link

neal pollack responds:

On the one hand, I recognize that it can only be good for my book to have it identified by New York Magazine as a key document of a genuine sociological phenomenon. On the other hand, I sound like a lunatic nimrod in the article. Perhaps I was drunk when Adam Sternbergh interviewed me. Or high, which is sometimes a possibility. Regardless, people are going to read the piece and think that I'm a guy who sits around telling his kid that the TV shows he watches "suck."

...To me, the main tenets of "alternaparenting" are as follows: General skepticism (but not total rejection) of mainstream corporate parenting culture, encouraging creativity and imagination above all else, and, like the New York article hammers home, an unwillingness of the parents to completely put their own youth behind them. But it doesn't neglect the basics, either. Any decent parent of any aesthetic needs to provide their kids with food, clothing, shelter, discipline, and love. It's just that this generation of parents has added "sharing your DVD collection" to that list of essentials. I have trouble seeing how that's a bad thing.

A couple of other points, related to the article: I don't own a pair of jeans that cost more than $30. And I really do reject this idea that our kids are going to "become Republicans."

...So anyway, in the end, I'm proud to be part of this generation of parents, even if I'm already well on my way to being canonized as that generation's most clueless idiot.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:09 (eighteen years ago) link

"In summary, my book is about nothing at all, actually"

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link

you missed the part where he said "sharing your dvd collection" -- which is obviously something previous generations didn't do! a keen insight.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Man, hanging out with Dave Eggers ought to qualify you for worker's comp.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link

DJ Martian's statistical obsessions paid off! Good call, spaceboy.

mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Being single, childless and social has its advantages.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:25 (eighteen years ago) link

"Alternaparenting." Ugh. If only I could get past that name.

mike a, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:31 (eighteen years ago) link

If only I could get past the fact that it sounds like every generation's tenets and principles of raising children since the adoption of child-labor laws, if not the Renaissance.

Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:34 (eighteen years ago) link

when i was a kid all i listened to was my parent's CCR and Rolling Stones greatest hits records....they were early alternaparents! amazing, mom!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:36 (eighteen years ago) link

On NPR last week there was a piece about all these bars in Park Slope that have happy hours for parents and kids. I have to admit it sounded kind of nice to sit around hanging out in a bar with some friends, not worrying about having my kid running around. On the other hand, it seems a little irresponsible.

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:43 (eighteen years ago) link

kids drink free!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

i think our kid was in a bar before he was four months old. it's harder now that he can run around, but we still take him out sometimes. not to, like, annoyingly crowded places, but nice neighborhood pubs or whatever, why not?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:52 (eighteen years ago) link

It's a sign times have changed -- 100 years ago Carrie Nation would have been chopping you up with an ax for that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

My dad took me to the bar all the time and I turned out totally drunk.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

it's harder now that he can run around, but we still take him out sometimes. not to, like, annoyingly crowded places, but nice neighborhood pubs or whatever, why not?

I guess I just picture 20 kids running amok and parents sipping blood orange martinis and not paying attention. I don't have any problem bringing a kid to a bar.

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean specifically this "trend" in Park Slope that aims to provide mommy & me happy hour.

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:40 (eighteen years ago) link

if you don't start them young yr kids are going to turn out to be total pussies and lightweights....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link


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