Uh, he got most of the first one and a minor chunk of the second, what more do you want!
Depp as The Riddler also opens up an entire avenue for the character to get over on a combination of intellect and charm, making him more plausible as well.
― Lisa Simpson = a fictional bitch (HI DERE), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
zack galifinakis as the riddler and seth rogen as the penguin
― highway to sarahel (J0rdan S.), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
eh, just seemed like he was on the periphery of the first one (main baddie was Liam Neeson, right?) and was barely in the second. xpost
― tylerw, Friday, 24 July 2009 20:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
If you pare The Riddler down to his core, he's basically the dude who's convinced he is smarter than everyone else around him to the degree where he arrogantly thinks he can leave riddles that, when deciphered, will tell people exactly what he's doing but that the people opposed to him are too stupid to figure them out in time
why are you talking shit about Morbs when he's not around?
― Heric E. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
If it's The Riddler, I expect the moviemakers to take the character to an evil, twisted place (the way they did with The Joker, who was -- admittedly -- a much more menacing character than The Riddler was, but The Riddler could be a wiry, insane little villian too, with the right script and actor).
BTW, Scarecrow was awesome, and they should have given him a bigger role.
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 24 July 2009 20:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
Sorry if I'm (more) incoherent (than usual). On vacation. Had a drink.
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 24 July 2009 20:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
Looks like I was wrong: Riddler (Johnny Depp) and Penguin (Phillip Seymour Hoffman).
― Daniel, Esq.
please those were "rumored" since TDK went into production. How can they have villains chosen and cast before they have a writer and director signed on?
― master of karate and friendship for everyone (musically), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, biggest laugh/biggest scare in the whole series for me is that "would you like to see my mask" scarecrow scene ...
― tylerw, Friday, 24 July 2009 20:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
I did not think Scarecrow was a minor character in "Batman Begins" at all!
― Lisa Simpson = a fictional bitch (HI DERE), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
So, Depp is going from the Mad Hatter to The Riddler. I think that Depp needs a more low-key role...something that shows he's still ADEPPT at doing a more nuanced, subtle thing. Not another larger-than-life weirdo. It's getting stale. How about Paul Giammatti (spelling?) as the Penguin?
― SourPatchCorpse, Friday, 24 July 2009 20:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
as a villain, I definitely liked the Scarecrow more than Ras Al Guhl... but it would seem weird to resort to him as the central villain for the third film, would be kinda taking a step backward/treading water.
― girlish in the worst sense of that term (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
I did not think Scarecrow was a minor character in "Batman Begins" at all!not minor, but certainly not the center of the action in the way the joker was ...
― tylerw, Friday, 24 July 2009 20:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
BTW, I saw The Riddler, at his core, as a paranoid, hyperactive, insecure socoipath. To me, the riddles were a gimmick that fed his ego, and helped him deal with his insecurities and a constant sense of dread and paranoid. To me, he was Batman's most unhinged, insane enemy (now, obv., I think of The Joker in that role, but mostly b/c of the movies).
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 24 July 2009 20:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
he was a guy in a question mark costume who told riddles
― goole, Friday, 24 July 2009 20:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
fuckin english majors!
I think the Joker should be in it if only for one scene, like they did for Scarecrow in Dark Knight. A Johnny Depp cameo as the Joker would be pretty awesome I think.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 24 July 2009 20:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
Dan/Daniel - I would assume they would make the Riddler a darker/more twisted character as well, (certainly the rich tradition of films with serial killers leaving compulsive clues behind - se7en, Zodiac, tons of others - springs to mind), but they would really have to make the character into a violent psychopath who's not in control of his behavior for that to work... and that's already such ridiculous, well-travelled ground that I don't think it would be particularly satisfying. That would basically make it a Dirty Harry movie. With costumes.
x-posts
― girlish in the worst sense of that term (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
I mean I can see it now...
Gordon: Batman! There's a mysterious serial killer on the loose and he's left clues behind, scrawled in blood on the wall!Batman: I'm on my way
Me: zzzzzzz
― girlish in the worst sense of that term (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
i do not believe these Depp/Hoffman rumours. Too on-the-nose for Nolan.
― sean gramophone, Friday, 24 July 2009 20:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
I remember Mr. Freeze being really awesome on the cartoon Batman show. Scary, tragic.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 24 July 2009 20:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
Even in terms of fictional deaths you're jaded, Shakey Mo.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 July 2009 20:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
maybe they'd make the riddler another rich high tech playboy dude but instead of an insane vigilante he's a goofball who steals stuff, i'd be into that
― goole, Friday, 24 July 2009 20:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
i always liked this guy when i was a kid
― tylerw, Friday, 24 July 2009 20:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
ha! Pitt should be the riddler, in his Twelve Monkeys guise
― Great Scott! It's Molecular Man. (Ste), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
would assume they would make the Riddler a darker/more twisted character as well, (certainly the rich tradition of films with serial killers leaving compulsive clues behind - se7en, Zodiac, tons of others - springs to mind), but they would really have to make the character into a violent psychopath who's not in control of his behavior for that to work... and that's already such ridiculous, well-travelled ground that I don't think it would be particularly satisfying. That would basically make it a Dirty Harry movie. With costumes.
wtf are you talking about?
Why can't they take The Riddler in the direction of the "Die Hard" example I gave, namely a smart, ruthless guy who sets up these elaborate riddles and death traps that all lead AWAY from the prosaic-but-audacious-in-size bank robbery that is his real goal? Not everything has to be about psychos eating eyeballs.
― Lisa Simpson = a fictional bitch (HI DERE), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
also goole OTM: maybe the prosaic turn is to actually keep a lighter tone but make him more of a thrillseeker thief rather than a tortured baby-spiker
― Lisa Simpson = a fictional bitch (HI DERE), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
ha now i'm waiting for this: the gotham public likes its new lighthearted costumed villain more than its dour costumed protector who, maybe a reality-show celeb media satire vibe (ok no)
― goole, Friday, 24 July 2009 20:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
Hoffman could do his Capote voice as the Penguin.
― mile high guy (brownie), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
Actually, since Batman is taking the fall for the Two-Face rampage and the death of Harvey Dent, maybe you have one villain be the standard crook and the other one be a vigilante going after Batman for being a menace.
― Lisa Simpson = a fictional bitch (HI DERE), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
Dan's riddler would have to spend most of the movie getting foiled and/or caught then in the finale switcheroo be successful to work as described. That would mean villain wins. Don't know if that would work. Maybe.
― For other uses, see Cornhole (disambiguation). (Oilyrags), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
Also kudos to danielesque for posting links to rumors from a year ago.
― For other uses, see Cornhole (disambiguation). (Oilyrags), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
ty, ty.
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 24 July 2009 20:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
There were new to me!
yup.
also in this: http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Snow-Dan-Curtis-Johnson/dp/1401212654
― Ømår Littel (Jordan), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm inclined to think this Depp/Hoffman rumor is bullshit because a) as noted this rumor has been around since before DK was even out, and b) its way more likely that Gyllenhaal will be in the third movie as Catwoman - she's already under contract for three movies, it would fit into the personal transformation/unintended consequences thread of the existing narrative, you don't SEE her die ("cats have 9 lives" lolz). Plus the cat joke/ref in DK.
By all means there could be another villain, but I'll be very surprised if there's no Gyllenhaal as Catwoman.
― girlish in the worst sense of that term (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
Depp would be completely non-threatening as the Riddler imo, the best thing about the first two movies was Gary Oldham so as long as he's in the next one i'm happy.
― same dog, different leg action (Mr Raif), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
but I'll be very surprised if there's no Gyllenhaal as Catwoman
(a) would look good in costume; (b) would allow her to play the opposite of the character she played in Secretary.
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 24 July 2009 20:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
not minor, but certainly not the center of the action in the way the joker was ...
― tylerw, Friday, July 24, 2009 4:17 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
...which was about two-face as much as it was about the joker in exactly the same way as the first one was about ras al ghul as much as it was about the scarecrow!
― julien schNAGL (s1ocki), Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Panera - Vulgar Display Of Flour (latebloomer), Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
only logical choice imo
that dude has problems
― julien schNAGL (s1ocki), Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
Starting with his greasy forelock.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
still crossing my fingers for catwoman. bale's on record saying he wants wayne to knock boots, and I think the sex angle is the only novel place to go post-joker - otherwise it's all just crime bosses with goofy fetishes ("I like cold!" "I like alice in wonderland!")
― da croupier, Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
i may have posted this on a thread before, but I'd love to have catwoman call out bale's goofy "argh i'm batman" voice and then have him abandon it, as if finally accepting that wayne is the costume and that batman is the real him.
― da croupier, Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
some other villainy casting ideas i wrote for work a while back
eric roberts didn't actually die, gets really into greek mythology and becomes...maxie zeus!
miley cyrus is a teeage sociopathic joker fan who becomes...harley quinn!
ben foster is a cyberpunk who decides batman is the reason crime bosses are buying funny hats and becomes...anarky!
sly stallone is bane!
― da croupier, Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
maybe you have one villain be the standard crook and the other one be a vigilante going after Batman for being a menace.
YES.
― Leee, Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
Pretty cool fan-made poster
― Number None, Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
I was typing 'Batman' into Google and after I clicked search I realized I had actually typed 'Batmoon'
― Armageddon Two: Armageddon (dyao), Saturday, 25 July 2009 21:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
Luckily the GIS results were not as bad as I thought they would be
― Armageddon Two: Armageddon (dyao), Saturday, 25 July 2009 21:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
Third Rock From The Sun kid to take over the Joker role. Maggie as Catwoman.
― I can't make my face turn into a heart (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, 26 July 2009 06:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
i don't remember if there's any real depiction of the city 'turning' on the cops after he reads the letter -- doesn't he immediately start blowing shit up and just holding the city hostage immediately afterwards?
― some dude, Sunday, 9 December 2012 19:48 (6 months ago) Permalink
it just seemed like something he was doing to add insult to injury, mess with everyone's head or lower morale even as he already had everything in control
The cops were all stuck in the tunnels.
But there would be no reason to turn onto them. It was the the lawmakers (the establishment) who pushed through the Dent act.
And yes, the ultimate goal was to crush the people's spirits before physically destroying the city. The turn on the establishment is a made up story.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 9 December 2012 19:54 (6 months ago) Permalink
like i said above i just found all the harvey dent stuff way unnecessary and incredibly belaboured
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Sunday, 9 December 2012 20:01 (6 months ago) Permalink
Well after he says the Dent act is a lie he frees all the prisoners. Yeah wouldn't people want the cops to protect them from these newly freed prisoners? Maybe the prisoners just took control of everything. At any rate the point of it all is the epic scene of Batman and Bane fighting in the midst of a thousand cops and criminals kicking the shit out of each other.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 9 December 2012 20:07 (6 months ago) Permalink
dent's thematic importance to the whole trilogy definitely exists largely in nolan's head
― some dude, Sunday, 9 December 2012 20:08 (6 months ago) Permalink
ya srsly who in the world gives a shit
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Sunday, 9 December 2012 20:08 (6 months ago) Permalink
still find it wicked awkward that they avoided even a passing reference to the joker
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Sunday, 9 December 2012 20:09 (6 months ago) Permalink
"The Dark Knight Trilogy"
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 9 December 2012 20:09 (6 months ago) Permalink
i would say the best parts of this trilogy are the first half of 1 and the joker stuff in 2
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Sunday, 9 December 2012 20:10 (6 months ago) Permalink
and the bane plane scene
smoosh those together, you got a good movie.
for sure
― mh, Sunday, 9 December 2012 20:10 (6 months ago) Permalink
The Dark Knight Begins
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 9 December 2012 20:11 (6 months ago) Permalink
Yeah, one would think the people weren't buying it for a second but what could they really do?
Watching DK and DKR back-to-back the Dent stuff seems totally necessary and something they had to deal with in some way -- they didn't do it cleanly but the attempt didn't bury the film and leads to those finals scenes in the snowy morning light. Really amazing that they thought to set a scene during the day in a film series that takes place in the dark for such obvious reasons. Nolan took the risk and totally pulled it off.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 9 December 2012 20:16 (6 months ago) Permalink
xps
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 9 December 2012 20:17 (6 months ago) Permalink
But then i realized, this is just totally something that would happen in a comic book. Like a man wearing a bat costume.
problem is nolan's batman movies all take place in this awkward middle ground between comic book lightness and gritty realism, i get the feeling he resents the comic book tropes and sees them as obstacles blocking him from his 'true vision'
― THE NATIONS YOUTH DANCED TO THE MACARANA (innocent) (zachlyon), Sunday, 9 December 2012 21:13 (6 months ago) Permalink
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, December 9, 2012 3:16 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
must have slipped my mind that today is OPPOSITE DAY
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Sunday, 9 December 2012 21:57 (6 months ago) Permalink
There is not a single scene in The Dark Knight that establishes that anyone other than a few cops and Batman gives a fuck about Harvey Dent
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 9 December 2012 21:59 (6 months ago) Permalink
He was elected.
Also don't agree with the need for a mention of the Joker. He failed to corrupt/destroy the people of Gotham but destroyed Dent; that's his legacy, which is addressed. So they are clearly closing off that strand from DK but also following on from the League of Shadows in Batman Begins, which the Joker was not a member of.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 9 December 2012 22:38 (6 months ago) Permalink
Finally saw. Uneven at best. Anne Hathaway as the best Catwoman ever and JGL's strongest performance since Mysterious Skin are by far the best things about it.
― Room 227 (cryptosicko), Sunday, 9 December 2012 22:52 (6 months ago) Permalink
hathaway's the 4th best catwoman ever, at the most
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 9 December 2012 23:26 (6 months ago) Permalink
i'm ok with that ranking as long as Barney Pfeiff isn't in the top 3
― some dude, Sunday, 9 December 2012 23:28 (6 months ago) Permalink
she's #1.
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 9 December 2012 23:33 (6 months ago) Permalink
pfeiff dawg was a good one but barney pfeiff is pretty morbsian
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 9 December 2012 23:34 (6 months ago) Permalink
seriously want to read an Armond White review praising Premium Rush in comparison to Easy Rider, which was never more than an incoherent work of a drug-addled era, whose sloppiness and indolence paved the way for self-indulgent "art" cinema by know-nothings for decades to come, etc.
― s.clover, Monday, 10 December 2012 02:34 (6 months ago) Permalink
i'm just joshin' with The Pied Pfeiffer, we're old friends
― some dude, Monday, 10 December 2012 02:35 (6 months ago) Permalink
so you want to read an otm Armond White review xp
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 10 December 2012 02:36 (6 months ago) Permalink
that's too obvious. no, armond needs to negatively compare Premium Rush to the underrated Jason Patric vehicle Rush
― da croupier, Monday, 10 December 2012 04:34 (6 months ago) Permalink
heard my little sister mutter "I phail u" under her breath in a really stupid voice, and it took me a second to understand what she was referencing.
― Cunga, Saturday, 15 December 2012 01:17 (6 months ago) Permalink
― some dude, Saturday, 15 December 2012 01:20 (6 months ago) Permalink
Ha! I've started doing a stupid Bane voice to annoy my brother. Its working so I'm carrying on for a while.
I'm older.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 15 December 2012 10:25 (6 months ago) Permalink
Tying into the dynamic where Christopher Nolan loves James Bond and now the two franchises' are mirroring one another: the Southern redneck cop that is in on the police chase for Batman in this movie, he seems to recall the redneck cop that's boat-chasing after Bond in "Live and Let Die." I'm sure it's a reference to that character, or at least that's what I thought seeing it in theaters.
And I'm pretty sure he's in the 3rd Batman but he might be in the 2nd,, too or only in the 2nd
― Cunga, Sunday, 10 February 2013 08:47 (4 months ago) Permalink
i would bet there's a big overlap between people who got way too excited about TDKR and people who consider MBDTF the best record of the past decade, and not just because they were both immensely popular.
― NASCAR, surfing, raising chickens, owning land (zachlyon), Monday, July 23, 2012 11:46 PM (6 months ago) Bookmark
i still have no idea what this post means. is the group of people who like that album substantially different from the group of people who like the other kanye west records? didn't ilm like it a lot?
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 10 February 2013 09:24 (4 months ago) Permalink
i don't even remember what i was talking about then but uh, i wasn't talking about people who just liked it a lot i was talking about people who consider it a timeless classic along the lines of [any other classic album the writers of rolling stone wouldn't argue with]. people who are obsessed with the canon of the monoculture, people who want to feel like they're witnessing the release of Pet Sounds or The Godfather as it happens and get really excited when pitchfork breaks their 10.0 rule for it. with some sociopathic behavior they might become the type of people who send death threats to critics that lower an anticipated movie's RT score. some people just find extreme levels of pleasure not only in watching/listening to critically-hyped-up mainstream/middlebrow things but in feeling like they're a part of the culture that hoists them up. it's like internet fandom but instead of my little pony or dr. who it's about whatever an appropriate amount of critics approve of.
when i type this i'm thinking of a few select people on my facebook wall, maybe it's not as common as i think.
― Alice 2 Chainz - "I Luv Dem Bones" (zachlyon), Sunday, 10 February 2013 09:45 (4 months ago) Permalink
No, you're on to something with that criticism. I remember a few years ago someone I knew wrote a blot post lamenting that the younger generation, our generation, lacked a "Beatles" or entertainmeners that spoke for "us" and to "us."
The Beatles were that rare example of the most popular of something also clearly being the best, and for everyone to all agree with that assessment. And so there are people that are after that moment of clarity and triumph in entertainment. It's not enough that Dark Knight or Kanye West make millions of dollars: it has to be a part of a generation's personal brand and unite us all or something.
― Cunga, Sunday, 10 February 2013 10:44 (4 months ago) Permalink
We want our "Pet Sounds" and Godfather movies so some day we can flog some other persons' grandchildren with "You missed out, born too late imo" nostalgia
― Cunga, Sunday, 10 February 2013 10:46 (4 months ago) Permalink
i just plan to do that w climate change
― a permanent mental health break (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 10 February 2013 19:50 (4 months ago) Permalink
Watching bane slur his way through lawless last night was a laugh
― the right to beef at (darraghmac), Sunday, 10 February 2013 21:05 (4 months ago) Permalink
I'm glad he went Modern Comic Book wrt to the plot. It was a great ending too!
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 11 February 2013 00:21 (4 months ago) Permalink