2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

if you have ACORN in your drinking game tonight prepare to be sloshed

Hagel is not the one related to Eiserhauer, that's Susan Eisenhower

yeah, that's who i meant

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — The wife of Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel plans to endorse Democrat Barack Obama.

Lilibet Hagel has scheduled a 10 a.m. news conference in Alexandria, Va., on Tuesday with Susan Eisenhower, the granddaughter of Republican President Eisenhower. Susan Eisenhower also is an Obama supporter.

A friend of mine from school is a great times infinity granddaughter of John and John Quincy Adams, and I imagine she is voting for Obama ;-)

My mom has been trying to bring up ACORN for ages, wingnuts be saying Obama actually worked for them in Chicago and that they have total gangsta moves. Please.

Also I love that Ayers scandalmongering has been nipped in the bud by an R state senator from Illinois who took the time to point out that the directors' board O & A served on was all about allocating $50 mil from the Walter Annenberg Foundation. You know, Annenberg who was BFF with...Reagan?

Palin: “In fact, every middle-class American family will have a 5,000-dollar credit to buy the health care you choose. Barack Obama is calling that a tax? That’s not a tax, that’s changing health care for the better.”

Hahaha, "that's not a hardened dog turd, it's a magical health care brownie! yaaaay!"

"5,000-dollar credit to buy the health care you choose"

haha this makes it sound even worse than it is! 5k will get you some (shitty) coverage but it wouldn't "buy" a limp dick's worth of "health care"

Besides which, insurers in the free market where this happens will just find a way to make what you need 5k more expensive!

but it's FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS

I've never had healthcare and I've only shopped around a little - my McCain $2500 as a single person basically buys me the kind of insurance that might cover major emergencies (if I'm lucky) but I get no kind of routine care co-pays/prescription benefits, right?

[Removed Illegal Link] continues to get our hopes up:

As the political world's focus shifts to the second presidential debate in Nashville, Barack Obama continues to expand his lead upon John McCain in all of our projection metrics, and now rates as almost a 9:1 favorte to win the election in November.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/todays-polls-107.html

Posted on the LA vs SF FITE OH NO thread, but...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/la-now-prez-on.html

Way to go Shelley, lol!

we believe you have the right to be unceremoniously heaved over a barrel in the open health care market as an independent american consumer, the best consumer in the world!! five thousand dollars! yaaaay!

ill take mine in cash thx!

How exciting to FINALLY see an intellectually honest feminist! Way to go Shelley Mandell! As a feminist, small business owning, wife and mother I am in total agreement with this gal's support of Sarah Palin. I, among millions of other "real" women LOVE HER!
Go Palin/McCain! Let's get some real change in Washington from someone who has actually done something and not just talked about it!
With Alec Baldwin's recent ability to tell the truth about how Barney Frank and his gang of thugs in Washington and aat Fannie & Freddie are responsible in great part to this financial mess we are in; what is the world ccoming to? I applaud him his ability to see the truth despite of radical liberal stances on most things.

Posted by: Beth | Oct 7, 2008 1:29:45 PM

I'm going to celebrate my upcoming $5K health care credit by buying a new (not used) H3! I'm helping the economy!

jh0shea is a pinko debt-paying terrorist.

I have the NHS and buy travel insurance for when I go home to visit, but the 5k would cover my mom's deductible yet not the $300 per month she pays to be insured.

My friends who just got transferred here note that in the US they are on a 31 per cent tax rate for no nationalized health care and here on a 33 per cent rate they get NHS, so they are all happy.

It drives me mad that people in America get all butthurt about the idea of waiting for any length of time to see a specialist in a government healthcare setting. Some of the women in my family who've moaned about this have waited longer for some dumb man to call, with much less complaint.

wait, are you forgetting the raise that your boss will give you to keep his employer costs the same?

yucks

My friends who just got transferred here note that in the US they are on a 31 per cent tax rate for no nationalized health care and here on a 33 per cent rate they get NHS, so they are all happy.

ORLY? Everyone's happy over there with NHS? EVERYONE????

dude david i am totally going to pump that $5k back into the economy - im going build the nicest shanty in town!

livin in a shanty town would be pretty dope imo as long as u had free wireless

via tpm:

A close McCain friend said the reason is clear: McCain is miserable about having to run a campaign that's antithetical to his persona.

"He is basically having to be somebody that he isn't," said the friend, who remains strongly supportive. "He is just not a guy that goes on the attack in public. For him to be on the attack constantly, attacking Obama's character ... McCain is uncomfortable with that, and it's made him grumpy."

rolling ilx shantytown thread 2008

"It drives me mad that people in America get all butthurt about the idea of waiting for any length of time to see a specialist in a government healthcare setting."

This is the craziest argument. I don't know anyone in the states who doesn't have to wait forever just to see their GP let alone a SPECIALIST.

true story that park on the corner of 1st and 1st in manhattan had a shanty village in it in the 90s

"President McCain will not be leaving his office or answering his phone today on account of 'HIM GRUMPY'"

I don't have to wait forever to see my doctor, but then my sister works in his office.

lol McCain wanted to make this campaign a positive jam all along.

OMG Que did I write 'everyone'? No, didn't think so...

The amazing thing about the NHS is that it makes it easier for the everyday working person to change their job because they don't give themselves stress worrying about changing plans with each new employer, or worrying about how their relationship with that employer is muddied by healthcare provision issues. I think taking that negotiation plank away from employment is a good thing. My friends are happy, as I wrote above. They have pretty expensive health insurance in the US because of certain of their health issues that are handled really well by the NHS here. I am also happy with my NHS services relative to US insurers: I'd have a shit, expensive time with the insurers because of my own ex-cancer patient situ.

Alex, all anyone who has never used it ever talks about when you bring up the British system is OMG waiting lists, if they are indeed anti the idea. You can see GPs very easily and if your need is actually acute, you'll be in with a consultant PDQ.

I KNOW and everytime I hear someone say that my mind boggles. What fantastic healthcare do they have where they aren't waiting all the time?!?!?!

Is there another complaint against nationalized healthcare? I mean other than OMG this will mean TAXES!!!

yeah, my current insurance entails 2-3 month waits for certain things. i gave up trying to get a gyno appointment and just went to planned parenthood (which my insurance won't cover) because wtf @ 3-4 month wait there? you don't have to wait if you have boutiquey insurance and gps can usually fit you in but if you have to get something more complicated than a cold checked out you're kind of screwed with most insurance here.

In Communist Britisher System, gyno reminder finds YOU.

Alex, let's see:

1. OMG waiting lists
2. OMG 'no choice of doctor'
3. OMG the cost
4. OMG surely the government will fuck it up

It is worth noting that the NHS was set up by Bevan in the immediate aftermath of WWII, when Britain had fuck-all money to pay for it, as little money as we may have today, making the distinction between general care (which was to be prioritised) over research (resulting in a flow of doctors to US universities). Medical students here cost $500,000 to put through their whole course, it's paid for by the government and it is very bad form to fuck off to private practice. I like to think there is a vestige of concern for others in one's community here that makes the whole thing work, even as the profit vultures from America circle on it. This crisis may put paid to that and I would be very happy if this stalled any further dismantling moves.

Those are the dumbest arguments. EVERY SINGLE ONE APPLIES TO THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM WE HAVE NOW (with the exception of four, but you can replace government with insurance company at will there.)

useful fact

The US government spends as much of US taxpayers money (as a proportion of GDP) as the british and german governments do with their respective taxpayers money; US industry and individuals then pay the same again. Healthcare outcomes are not markedly different.

insurance is consistently one of the most profitable industries while the VA system is the cheapest and highest rated heathcare in the country

wtf goin on w/this picture

schef i don't understand why you don't just go to the emergency room

^^^ are you channeling George Bush or are you serious?

schef i don't understand why you don't just go to the emergency room

haha – one of my Repubfundie students used that line in an essay last semester.

kos sez "looking like a blowout"

The graphs for McCain look a lot like the stock market graphs.

just got my absentee ballot in the mail

rad

ok, predictions of blowout are bad news right now, because they augur complacency, a danger right now. Signs of success need to be more incentive to fight harder.

nah i say we put our feet up and do nothing until 2010

It just makes me want to crush Mac harder and hear the lamentations of his women. Especially if I could hear Palin say "aww lay off, willya?! Jeez!"

OMG ITS IN THE BAGGGGGG YAY!!!!!!

ok, predictions of blowout are bad news right now, because they augur complacency, a danger right now.

The Obama camp has been a model of coolness.

"ok, predictions of blowout are bad news right now, because they augur complacency, a danger right now. Signs of success need to be more incentive to fight harder."

I'm doubting this is going to happen. People seem pretty motivated this year.

yeah, complacency's a real problem. i'll bet Axelrod told everyone to go home early.

http://thepage.time.com/2008/10/07/obama-campaign-cuts-volunteers-loose/